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Maximizing Wind Turbine Power with AeroVista – A Conversation with Nicholas Gaudern
We’re revisiting a great episode with Nicholas Gaudern, CTO of PowerCurve, discussing their new AeroVista software. AeroVista uses drone inspection data to evaluate wind turbine blade damage and power production potential. Allen and Nicholas discuss how this technology enables strategic repair planning to maximize power recovery while avoiding unnecessary costs.
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Allen Hall: Welcome back to the special edition of the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. I’m your host, Allen Hall, and this week, we’re going to go back in time to September of last year, where I sat down with Nicholas Gaudern, CTO of PowerCurve. And Nicholas and I discuss a new piece of software that PowerCurve has developed called AeroVista.
And AeroVista is a unique tool. It takes your existing drone images and then predicts the AEP for the turbine or the particular blade. A lot of operators that Joel and I have run across recently are interested to know what blades to repair based on the amount of damage. And we see damage from all over the world.
And there are blades that have very minor damage that you probably leave alone. There are some with very major damage and those you should obviously fix. It’s the ones in between where you’re not really sure. And this AeroVista piece of software is a predictive tool. It will help you design your campaign to repair blades during the warmer months.
So it’s a very powerful tool and a and a well needed tool for the industry. So I thought it was time to revisit this episode with Nicholas Gaudern of PowerCurve. Enjoy.
Leading edge erosion is a massive power losing problem for most wind farms. Almost every wind turbine blade that has been in service more than two years has some level of leading edge erosion. I’m your host, Allen Hall, and I’m here with our guest, Nicholas Gaudern, CTO of PowerCurve.
In this episode, we are discussing leading edge erosion, how it reduces average energy production, and when to address it for maximum revenue generation. And just a brief background on PowerCurve. PowerCurve designs, manufactures and installs power upgrades for wind turbine blades that help their clients make their wind projects more profitable.
PowerCurve’s Technology has been thoroughly tested and validated, and they continue to work closely with universities to refine it even further. And the upgrades have been installed on blades worldwide. Nicholas, welcome to the program.
Nicholas Gaudern: Hi Allen. Really nice to be back talking to you.
Allen Hall: So you have some new software tools at your disposal, and anybody that knows PowerCurve knows you guys are really good at aerodynamics to understand how blades produce power.
You wanna, you wanna describe what this little software breakthrough
Nicholas Gaudern: is? Yeah, I’d love to. So, so what I want to talk about today is, is our new tool that we’re calling a. It’s it’s an a p i, you can call it, it does something and you’ll get some really insightful data back. Maybe just take a, a step backwards.
It’s all about taking a, a data driven and an engineering driven approach to understanding the performance losses that you will get from damages and particularly leading edge erosion on a blade. So, We’re about modeling those losses and telling you how you can deal with it. Yeah,
Allen Hall: because there’s a lot of information on the internet today link.
You see a lot of it on LinkedIn talking about leaning edge erosion and, and how you should repair it and it should be repaired and how quickly should be repaired. Those are really interesting data points. Right. But I think the real critical decision is if you should repair it and how. How, how far how many years can you wait?
Right? Because it’s all about spending money and spending money wisely on your turbines to keep your production power up. But there’s really is not a tool out there today that tells you, Hey, we need to repair this turbine, but not that turbine. Yeah, exactly. And I think what
Nicholas Gaudern: we’re addressing here is, is this is not a new problem.
Leading edge erosion blade damages, and they’ve been around for a long time. They also think there’s been a lot of acceptance that they cause a power loss. How you go about quantifying that in, in a reliable manner in the field consistently is something that from what we see hasn’t, hasn’t been achieved.
So we set out with the goal of, of kind of cracking this problem, doing it in a way that users common data and existing data. We didn’t want to go out and put this big new data requirement into the field to be able to do these kind of calculations. It’s happened quite quickly, I think in the last few years, but I would say, you know, a huge percentage of the installed base of wind turbines stay are inspected annually, at least annually, by a drone.
And the primary focus of that drone inspection has been to assess the structural condition of the blades to look at whether there’s any critical cranks or when you should fix them so you don’t have a catastrophic failure, and that’s super important. There’s no link to aerodynamic performance and it’s simply not good enough to say, oh, well I’ve got the Cat five structural damage.
Therefore, that’s bad aerodynamically. It might not be, you know, you might have a crack in a certain place. These kind of almost invisible aerodynamically, but as very bad structurally. So what we do is we take existing damage metadata. So all of the data is captured by the drone companies, the drone inspection companies.
Then we map that onto an aerodynamic model of the Pacific turbine in question. So for example, if we’re out analyzing a a GE 1.5 or a Vestas V80, whatever, we will have built an aerodynamic model of that turbine. So we are taking as many assumptions outta the system as we can. So we look at the real data, so the real damages that were on the turbine at that time.
It’s mapped onto an ergonomic model of that real turbine, not some generic fence.
Allen Hall: So most wind turbine operators have a bunch of drone images and data they’ve accumulated over the last couple of years. So in that dataset, I just wanna understand this clearly here. So in that dataset that the operators already have, there is metadata that describes the damages that they have on the blades, the leading edge, erosion damage, maybe some lightning damage, maybe impact damage or a crack even.
All that damage is metadata already in their existing data that they have purchased.
Nicholas Gaudern: Yes. So that data exists and that’s an important thing with, with the system that we, we can go back historically, so we’ll, we’ll go forward. There’s new inspections are made, but if you want to see what has happened in the last three years in terms of your AEP loss from leading edge damage, we can do that because that metadata.
Will exist. Obviously there’s differences between drone inspection providers and the level of detail, et cetera, but fundamentally, it, it exists.
Allen Hall: So I have this metadata and I put it through the PowerCurve, API which you’re calling AeroVista. So I take this existing data set already purchased, I sent it to PowerCurve.
You process it and tell me how much power that blade is losing and what, what that means in terms of revenue generally. And you can do that over, over a trend line over the last couple of years. So I can kind of see how that blade is doing. Is it basically being the same or is it really dramatically dropping off?
Can you can tell those sort of things just from the metadata.
Nicholas Gaudern: Yeah, exactly. And, and this is the great thing about using a real turbine model. What has been really enlightening when we’ve been adding more and more models to the system is that you could have a hundred meter diameter rotor. Designed by one manufacturing with some erosion on, and you could have another one that’s designed by a different manufacturer that basically looks the same, you know, on the photographs.
But when you actually run the calculation, you may find that one of those rotors loses way more energy than the other. And that’s because it’s not just about how the erosion looks, it’s about what is the aerodynamic shape of the blade. What do the airfoils look like? What’s their performance? What’s the store margin?
What r p m is this turbine spinning at? So again, we’re taking all this into the, into the model that is just cutting out all these assumptions that you’d otherwise have to make if you didn’t build a model. So what you’ll find is that even on the same wind storm, it’s notionally seen the same weather, and it’s been maintained notionally in the same way.
The spread of AEP losses across the site can be quite dramatic. You may have half a percent loss on some turbines over here, but you might have a 2% loss on some turbines over here. So again, by using the real data of each turbine combined with this neurodynamic model, it allows you to get some incredibly valuable insight as to how much money you could be losing due to blade damages.
Then it can guide you to say, well, which turbine should I do something about first? Because if you just looked at the structural categorization, say you needed to pick half your fleet to repair in one year, you may say, oh, well all of them have cat three damages, so I’ll just go and I’ll repair some of them because you know, I can’t tell the difference.
The reality is though, that. That’s not a full picture of the aerodynamic behavior. It matters where that damage is, what type of damage is, and these are all the things that we’re modeling. So you can say, right, I’m gonna go and fix these five turbines first, which they were killing me in terms of performance and spend your money wisely because you can’t fix everything all the time.
We have to prioritize, and it’s a tool for prioritization.
Allen Hall: So when I hook, hook up your a p i and I, I go look for these losses that I’ve. Most operators have right now this is a pretty quick response time, right? You’re not sitting around waiting for months for the, for PowerCurve to come back. It’s like put the data in outcomes, the information, you’ll have it in a day or so
Nicholas Gaudern: under an hour, typically.
Wow. It’s, it’s really fast. So we, we built this in a very flexible and scalable manner. So, you know, we’re running it in, in the cloud on servers that can scale. So if necessary, you know, we can take hundreds of calls into the system simultaneously and deal with them really, really quickly. There’s no, there’s no handholding.
We’re not there checking, clicking buttons. This has been set up as a robust, scalable system, so the results come through incredibly quickly. So, yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s very, very robust. Got a pretty high headroom and hopefully as we grow and people start to use the system, We can scale with it. That’s the beauty of these kind of modern cloud setups.
Allen Hall: So if I’m doing a drone inspection at the end of the summer period, which, where we’re at, right? So a lot of companies like to take them at the end of the summer or at the beginning of the springtime just to get a status on where there are with their, with their, their damage. With, I get that, all that drone information, I get the metadata, I send it to PowerCurve and boom, within an hour I know what I need to do.
Or leading edge repairs. I, I can start scheduling people for next year now and tell them what they’re gonna be
Nicholas Gaudern: working on. So instead of having to, to guess right now, is it worth putting on LEP or is it worth re cleaning the blade or is it worth putting on bgs? You know, there’s all these options available to a customer and we’re hoping to just provide some insight into what is most valuable because.
You know, LEP is not some silver bullet. LEP itself changes the leading edge shape and therefore aerodynamic behavior of as section. And depending on the LEP that may be next to nothing, but it might not be. So if your erosion is, is really mild, you could use our tool. You might see, oh, I’m only losing 0.3% AEP from erosion.
Well, it’s probably not worth putting on LEP from an aerodynamic perspective because the LEP is probably in the same order of magnitude for losses, whereas m losing 3%, well, I should probably do something, but you know, you can then have a conversation with us about vortex generators, about LEP, about blade repair and will help to guide you as to what you should, what you should do.
So I think that’s the thing here. Once you have. A piece of data that is come from an engineering driven approach, you can start to make much more confident decisions about how you go about maintaining your fleet and carrying out more effective asset management. Does it
Allen Hall: also provide some information, like you could get another half a percentage point in AEP by putting on VGs?
Does it provide that sort of additional bonus information besides just the leading edge erosion issue?
Nicholas Gaudern: So as of today, you know, you’ll get the loss, you’ll get the loss broken down by blade as well. You’ll get a heat map that shows you which of the damages are contributing most to that loss. And yeah, as we get more customers, using the system will enhance the functionality, but driven by what the customers want.
I think, you know, we want to get it out into the market and used, we don’t want to. Assume what an operator wants to know. We want to have dialogues, get people using it, get the data flowing, and then we’ll start adding the functionality that that is most useful to the operator.
Allen Hall: So there, Avista a p I has been out for a little while now and you’ve, you’ve had some initial customers use it.
What’s the feedback been?
Nicholas Gaudern: Very positive. I mean, I think this system as, as a whole started life a couple of years ago. When we really started developing the engineering and the process behind how you do this. And then last year at keen Power in the U S A, we launched a, a version of the system.
It wasn’t called Avis at the time, but it was with sky Specs. So Skys specs had been a great partner in this service from a very early stage. So we launched this service with Sky Specs. So that was, yeah, over a year ago now. We’ve run a lot of turbines through the system and what we’ve seen is that it’s given operators the ability to really start looking at that prioritization of prepare and help to drive internal conversation about loss, because without a number, very difficult to talk about budgeting our air VGs or LEP whatever.
So the feedback has been strong in, yes, it is a valuable tool to prioritize. But we’ve also heard some interesting things that we maybe didn’t latch onto straight away, and that was, well, if you have historical data, you’ve got three years of inspection data, you’ll start to see a trend. You can then start to project that forward to plan future O&M campaigns on the expectation of erosion.
But then you could even take it one step further and say, well, I’m planning a brand new windstorm of this turbine type. What did I learn over the last few years in my other wind farms? And then you start to look at, you know, very important financial decisions about, you know, write downs and assets and depreciation, all these kind of things.
So once you’ve got that data set, there’s a whole world of decision making that it can open up. And I feel at the moment we’re scratching the surface. Yeah. And again, the more operators we engage with, I think more we’ll, we’ll learn that. Yeah, so the
Allen Hall: data analytics becomes really interesting there because it’s an unexplored area of leading edge erosion.
The progression on a sort of a national, even global scale with this a Vista a p i tool. Yeah, you can, you could then, theoretically you start projecting when a farm does certain turbines, maybe they don’t do some turbines, right? Because it may not be worth it. But it may give a, be the industry a better sense of.
What is the proper timing and regimen to do leading edge erosion repair?
Nicholas Gaudern: Yeah. And we’ll start seeing patterns. We’ll start seeing, you know are there particular turbine models that seem to suffer more than others, for example, you know, and that, and that would be very valuable. So for people making investment decisions.
So I think we’ve, we’ve got a really nice grounding in the tool. As I say, we’ve, we’ve done a lot of work with Skyspace. There’s a lot of calls gone through the system and that’s helped us to really tune it over the last year. Now it is open and open to the world where we can take a p I calls from, from anyone as long as they’ve had the right setup process with us.
So we’re in dialogue with a number of major drone operators around the world. I think to me, in the near term, it’s more likely we’ll be taking calls from the inspection providers because they’re typically the ones in control of the database and the tagging. And all that kind of stuff. Of course, if an operator themselves has a, has all that data to hand and they wanna go direct to us.
Sure. I just feel that, from what I see in the industry, it’s generally the, the inspection providers that are, that are best placed to call us, but it, it’s pretty operator specific I think. As wind
Allen Hall: farms start to hibernate in the Northern Hemisphere, now’s the time to get that drone data, start taking a look at it and figure out what the plan is for next season there.
I know we have seen a number of operators already planning for next year trying to get resources lined up because there’s only so many resources out there. ’cause you need to. Figure out who’s going to do some of these repairs and get them booked. And now’s the time that, that that happens. Using the ar vista a p I would be a quick way to, to help organize that for an operator.
Nicholas Gaudern: For sure. The data’s there. The data’s there. You’ve just got to use it. Where we are adding another stream to the decision making process and. It’s simply not good enough. You know, in these days of challenged energy prices and contracts and, you know, wind farm deployment, you’ve got to squeeze everything you can out of your assets, and that means using the data you have available.
Don’t throw away your two 3% ap. Do something about it, but it’s very hard to do something about it if it’s not visible to you, and that’s what I hope this tool is, is going to bring this. Consistent, reliable methodology to, to give that insight. The Arrow
Allen Hall: Vista, a p i is a result of years of collaborations with local universities.
You that help to basically define how this process works. You wanna describe what happened behind the scenes there? Yeah, so
Nicholas Gaudern: I think, you know, PowerCurve, we’re, we’re a small company, but we, we leverage a lot of things we’ve done over the years and we’re, we’re very proud to have been awarded, you know, EU funding, so, so r and d projects into TEX generators and leading edge erosion and, and other aerodynamic topics over the years.
And our current E U D P funder project is called lca, or Leading Edge Roughness Categorization. So this is a project that’s being led by D T U, the Danish Tank University, and then there’s a number of o e M partners. So you’ve got investors. Siemens, gaa, Len, Sue Long and then PowerCurve, part of the, the consortium as well.
So we are really proud to be part of that project with, with all of these big players in the industry and led by such a, I would say, a world renowned organization of D T U when it comes to wind energy research. So the whole idea of this project is to come up with a universal. Categorization system for leading roughness that is considering aerodynamic and air, air acoustic penalties.
So I think there’s this problem at the moment, like there is with structural tagging of images that individual companies individual operators, they have their own tagging criteria. What makes it to level three or a level four? And I think that can only go on so long before. The industry has to kind of come to a decision about what is the standard for tagging.
’cause then that allows much more effective conversations to happen between OEMs, operators and service providers, third parties such as ourselves. So over the next couple of years, Leah Cat is gonna be working to do a lot of wind tunnel testing and engineering analysis such as C F D, computational fluid dynamics.
To help move us towards this universal acceptance of a classification system for damages. So leading edge erosion. So I think this is a great project. I think it’s a lot overdue and with the partners involved and sort of the financial muscle of the OEMs, I think we can get a long way towards towards the goal and having that classification.
So, Keep watching this space. I’m sure you’re gonna see LinkedIn Post and other media from the OEMs, from D T U, from Power Codes explaining what we’re doing and, and why and how we’re contributing to, to the knowledge base around Leady and
Allen Hall: George. Right. And, and how do the operators connect up with the AeroVista?
A p i like would they just reach out to their local drone company? Do they contact PowerCurve specifically? Do they hook up with you on LinkedIn? What’s, what’s the process here?
Nicholas Gaudern: So I would, I would say if if your drone inspector hasn’t already spoken to you about it, then just contact Power Cove directly and we’ll, we’ll make it happen.
So if you want to go through your drone inspection provider, we’ll then talk to that provider. We’ll have an integration process with them to make sure they know how to talk to the a p i, you know, they send the, the right style format, et cetera, et cetera. The, the boring stuff. And then, yeah, they’ll get the data pipeline plumbed in and where.
We’re good to go. So it’s, it’s a simple process, you know, it’s, it’s designed to be light on, on input effort, but, but heavy on output value and just turn it around really quickly. As we were talking around earlier.
Allen Hall: So Nicholas, I really appreciate you being back on the podcast. We love having, you know, there’s just so many cool things happening in Blade Aerodynamics inefficiency, so it’s, it’s good to get the download.
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This week, we cover the unionization of Vestas technicians in Michigan, and research revealing significant blade damage occurs in short but intense weather events. At the Atlantic Shores offshore farm, an environmental permit was remanded by a judge. Dermot Wind Farm in Texas, also known as the Amazon Wind Farm, is our wind farm of the week. Register for the start of our webinar series with SkySpecs!
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Wind o and m. And asset health management, so don’t miss it. Tune in on March 26th, 11:00 AM Eastern, and we’ll include the webinar registration link in the show notes. Up in Michigan, wind turbine technicians who perform operations and maintenance on Vestas turbines have voted to join the Utility Workers Union of America.
Marks the first Vestas wind technicians in North America to unionize. The 11 member group voted nine to one, so someone abstained obviously in favor of organizing and will become members of the UWUA local 2, 2 3, which also represents winex at DTE in Michigan. Now these workers are responsible for operations and maintenance on about 120 odd turbines, including MCE.
So Joel, this one’s a little unique and maybe ’cause it’s Michigan unions are really strong in Michigan, have been for a hundred years. ’cause the auto workers, and this seems like an outgrowth of that, but what is the relationship with Vestus in unions? Is that something that they have done in Europe quite often and this is just carrying over into the United States?
Or is this. An American move.
Joel Saxum: I think it’s an American move. If you look at the state of Michigan, like you said, auto workers are there. They’re heavily unionized. And because they’re heavily unionized and that state has looked at them as, they do well. It’s in good middle class incomes and, that, that’s driven some progress over the last a hundred years in Michigan. My, some of my in-laws are from Michigan and they’re boilermakers and they’re all unionized. And when they say get that union job, they’ve got it. They’ve made it right. So I understand the city or the state of Michigan and some of the ideas around there.
And I think that if you, in wind, if you were to pick a state that would’ve unionized first. Michigan would be at the top of your list probably. So I don’t think it’s a Vesta thing necessarily. I think this is a local Michigan thing, but I don’t also believe, Vesta is being a Danish company and they have, a lot of trade representation there from in all trades in that northern part of Europe.
I think that’s, it’s not abnormal to Vestas either. It’s probably abnormal to Vestas. United States Management, but Vestas as a company, eh, pretty standard thing. I’m curious to see what their package looks like, because now we’re in this era of IRA bill things, right? So we, IRA bills, apprenticeships, and white sheet wages and these kind of things to, to fulfill these needs for all these projects.
So I would. Be interested to see what the package looks like and what they’ve signed with or as a union to Vestas and to the people that you’re working for, to see if it aligns with the IRA bill.
Rosemary Barnes: What can you explain for non-Americans? What does that mean to have unionized in America? Because we have unions in Australia, but my understanding, like it must be incredibly different here than it is there.
’cause like you say, it could be, you can have a union job, like I’m pretty sure in Australia, like you are. There’s no such thing as a union job. They can’t I think they’re explicitly prohibited from discriminating based on whether you are in a union or not. Everyone has a right to join a union, but, what does a union job mean? And Yeah tell those of us who aren’t from America. What does this actually mean?
Joel Saxum: It’s different depending on the organization, the industry, the area, right? So technically same thing. It’s not, it’s, it is illegal to technically discriminate against non-union or union, however, they become such a strong presence that when, if you’re part of the union and you. Say there’s a strike going on, and then you cross that picket line, like you will be ostracized from that group of people, even though it’s technically illegal to do they’re not sanctioned by the government.
It’s all independent organizations, but they have a lot of power, the auto workers unions and stuff, like if they go on strike, they shut down gm, they shut down forward, they can’t do anything. So they have a, an insane amount of power. And it, it rolls over into, when I say good union jobs, they have good packages.
In my opinion, I’ve seen some union packages that are just crazy, right? Like I was working in Chicago and there was guys that were holding shovels clearing, clearing off manholes, and they were making $48 an hour because they were in the union. And the guy next to him that wasn’t in the union, that wasn’t working for the union company was making like 16.
And doing the same work except for after eight hours he was still working. The other guy put a shovel down one home. So there’s a give and take.
Phil Totaro: Yeah. But that’s the flip side of this as well, which is okay, there’s a benefits package that, that they offer as being part of a union, but there’s a price that’s paid for all of that.
It’s the same sort of thing with, like a government that leans a little more socialist. They’re gonna collect a lot more in tax. And then have a lot more programs for everybody that’s based on all that money that they’ve collected. But the reality of it is who do you think pays for that?
At the end of the day, that’s gonna be the asset owner and then all of us as electricity rate payers who end up, the power purchase contract price is necessarily gonna be, more than what it might have been otherwise. There’s. There’s two sides to it. And yeah, you can, you can get unionized labor and their argument with joining the union was, safety training, access to safety training, access to benefits, things they weren’t getting either from vestus or independently.
But somebody’s gotta pay for it and it’s gonna be all of us
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Allen Hall: New research from the Netherlands Organization for Applied Scientific research in collaboration with offshore wind operators reveals that approximately 30% of annual wind turbine blade damage occurs during just 12 hours of harsh weather conditions.
The PROWESS project conducted. Year long, detailed measurements of precipitation in the North Sea, a pretty rough place finding that damage happens when the tip speeds reach about 325 kilometers an hour as wind speeds exceed about 63 kilometers an hour, which is pretty fast and rainfall surpasses about 7.5 millimeters per hour, which is a lot of rain.
Now, these findings have led to the creation of a erosion atlas in the. That could help wind farm operators proactively reduce turbine speeds to prevent damage. Now, I think that’s the goal everybody, is that if they know there’s certain environmental times when rain erosion is going to occur, then you basically slow the tip speeds down, which will reduce the amount of erosion.
Maybe I’m missing some of this. Rosemary, I know you’ve heard the same story that you can slow the tip speeds down when the rainfall is really high and the wind speeds are really high. And sure you can reduce the amount of erosion, but it’s still a problem.
Rosemary Barnes: And I haven’t seen this this atlas, is it just for the North Sea is is it just Europe?
Europe,
Joel Saxum: TTU was working on one to cover all of Europe.
Allen Hall: Yes, they were. Yeah, I haven’t seen it yet, but it maybe out.
Rosemary Barnes: One of the things that I’ve been working on. Recently with a few different clients is leading edge erosion in Australia. And just noting that we don’t see things behave the same way that they do in Europe.
And one of the reasons is, or that I suspect actually I don’t suspect, I know I’ve back backed up with data, that we have much higher rainfall intensity and a lot of places and. Australia. Like I just know that from living here. When I lived in Denmark when I moved to Denmark I checked the climate data before moving to see, things like, oh, what’s the annual rainfall and how does it compare?
And it wasn’t so different to a lot of parts of Australia. And in fact, it’s less than a lot of parts of Australia. I’m like, oh, okay, it’s not gonna be that bad. But when you actually live there, like in Australia, it rains and it rains. Like it’s not joking around. It is raining. But whereas when you.
In Denmark it’s just always drizzling, just I don’t know, definitely more than 50% of the time. It’s just it’s raining a little bit. And sometimes I would call it static rain. It’s it’s technically not raining, but if you go outside, you will get wet because it’s just there’s, it’s just there’s so much moisture in the air.
So I, and yeah, so I noticed. Then like a lot of the traditional ways to assess how severe your leading edge your site is for leading edge erosion. You have a look at you average wind speed, the tip speed of the blade and the annual rainfall of a site. And I just noticed I don’t know, I.
500 bill of rainfall in a year is not the same in Europe as it is in Australia. And not all Europe is the same. There are some places like in Scotland where they have like big fat, heavy rain droplets. But what was the amount that you said was the threshold? How, what was the rainfall intensity?
Allen Hall: No I think I said three inches in arrow.
That’s not right. I think it’s 0.3 inches an hour or 7.5 millimeters.
Rosemary Barnes: Okay. So I have I, I. I collected data for a bunch of Australian sites with their one minute. One minute rainfall record, or it’s like the average amount that they get every five years that will get in rainfall intensity of one in one minute of four, four millimeters in one minute.
So that’s like half of what you’re saying in an hour. We’re getting in a minute. So it’s 30 times, 30 times more. There are sites in Australia, they’re getting 30 times more than intense rain than that. So yeah, just I guess just look a little, another little bit of. Bit of evidence that Australia has in intense rainfall.
That’s why we have so much flooding. It just, it suddenly the tap turns on and you’ve got it’s the inverted ocean kind of situation where it’s just all of a sudden Yeah. Like above ground is wet now. It’s, yeah, it’s just water.
Joel Saxum: I thinking about that sometimes, like in, in Texas, the way it rains, like in Houston when it rains, like seven and a half millimeters an hour is nothing.
I’ve been in Houston before where they’ve gotten 10 inches of rain in an hour. That would be 250 millimeters in an hour. That’s 80, 80 times that.
Rosemary Barnes: That’s, so that’s what I mean. Maybe the numbers are wrong. We should probably, have all of read the paper and done some calculations before we started talking.
Allen Hall: There’s just two articles that say the same thing.
Rosemary Barnes: I, that’s that kind of like reinforces that Europe is the wrong place to do this study or to get this benefit, right? Like you get the benefit where because it’s only, it’s not. That huge amount of erosion that you’re gonna stop by, having that threshold in Europe, but like in Texas or in Queensland, you would be able to very easily cut out the extremely intense rain events I bet are doing way more.
’cause like I, I often see on Australia and wind farms erosion leading edge protection that is destroyed. A year after it was last replaced or two years after, and I bet that you could stop that by just turning the turbine off for the super intense rain. So I’ve been trying to convince clients to, to start looking at this.
It’s hard when the. My client, the owner of the wind farm, doesn’t actually control the operation of the wind farm. So that’s the biggest challenge isn’t the potential of a, technological capability to do it. It’s it’s a matter of who, who would go to the effort to doing this versus who gets the benefit from it.
Joel Saxum: There’s two interesting things here too just when I was looking at this leading edge erosion problem with rain mapping and stuff at a previous life. One of the things I didn’t think about right away is actually why it’s so bad is because as that turbine spins, you’re actually going this waterfall is measured in a single water column that hits, say, the ground.
Well, 7.5 millimeters an hour, but that turbine blade is experiencing like 15 times that because it’s chasing the rain down and then hitting it, going back up again and hitting. It’s in engaging with the rain constantly and that’s why it causes so much damage.
Phil Totaro: Yeah. Particularly a high tip speed ratio and it’s the almost like what you get on a helicopter rotor in, a brownout condition.
It’s
Joel Saxum: yeah. And we’re talking just rain erosion here, right? Like this whole, I just talked to an operator in West Texas an hour ago, and he said that sandstorm craziness that blew through there on Sunday hasn’t let up. He’s still at 45 mile an hour. Wind with sand blowing so fast, you can’t see across the o and m parking lot.
And this is in like by San Angelo.
Allen Hall: I saw that. Global Blade Group is over at Eros this week and they’re talking leading edge repairs for erosion and looking at the Eros robot and how they do it. And there’s a number of operators that are at Arons with that global. Playgroup and Berg junker. Obviously leading edge erosion is still a problem.
There hasn’t been a universal solution, but it does look like different parts of the world have different kinds of raindrops and maybe it’s a temperature aspect. Also, it’s definitely gonna be colder in Northern Europe and. Typically in Australia.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Another thing we struggle with in Australia is the UV here is so much more intense and so like a lot of things just don’t stay put or stay intact regardless of erosion.
You, if the adhesive degrades under you. UV of salt, then yeah, things don’t last because of that. So I would really love to see more erosion test facilities doing things like temperature cycling. That’s another thing. You get really hot, really cold temperatures here, much more than in Europe where it’s less diagonal variation.
Yeah, put a UV lamp in your facility and they look after us in Australia.
Allen Hall: GTU has a new rain RO facility in Ross Gilda. That facility, they can change the temperature of the water. It’s one of the variables they added to their rain erosion test facility, which plays into the result. I’m really curious about that because in the rain erosion testing that we have done over a number of years now, 15 plus years, you can tell the difference between cold water and warm water.
It is noticeable.
Rosemary Barnes: Oh, interesting. I think thermal cycling though, is a thing as well. Just even the yeah, the temperature of the blade heating up and cooling down every single day. I think that, that doesn’t help. There’s so much going on. We’ve seen these simple erosion site assessment maps that use like one or two parameters, and even this new study is, similar.
Just a couple of things, but it’s like that. You can find some good correlations, but it’s not like there’s a lot of ways to have a bad, there’s only one way to have a good site for erosion, which is to have, not much rain, small droplets, not high wind speeds. Oh, that’s not great for you.
Your site in general? No, no dust, no salt water. But any one of those things can be really bad. So it’s yeah, like making a map is really hard. You need to have like a series, I think a series of maps for looking at each parameter. And I don’t think that we have remotely figured out what all the parameters are that affect it, and then the next step is actually the testing for leading edge erosion products for leading edge protection products needs to include all of those parameters, which it currently doesn’t. It’s like basically that they’ll change the speed and the rainfall. The, yeah the speed of the rain, the how this volume of the rain and now we became, so there’s a facility that can change the temperature of the rain, but there are so many more things that we need to include before you can it’s one thing to know.
Yeah, like your product will perform under these conditions, but that’s not what in the real world. And nowhere in the world are we seeing leading edge protection perform in the way that the test results suggests that they should, which means it’s just currently wrong. Really need to get more in depth on erosion testing.
Joel Saxum: How much money do you think the wind industry has chased or spent testing LEP and trying to figure out this leading edge erosion problem? From grant funding and all these different things. ’cause I constantly see Alan. We were talking about this the other day about. How mu have, how have we not solved leading edge erosion yet we’ve hit this project and that project and this university and that grant funding and this EUDP thing and ORE catapult this.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. And the OEMs are putting their own money into it too. They’re not just, waiting around for grant funding. It’s people being. Trying hard. I personally think that they’ve been too, it’s been too Eurocentric. The the research and development and, yeah. My company is too small to embark on a research program, but I’m so confident that we could do much, much better for Australian leading edge protection if we would do a proper test program that represented the, conditions that we actually face in Australia.
And that’s that, that’s true, not just for leading edge ion. There’s a whole range of. Things that we would get Australian Wind Farms performing way better if we would, do some of that development here. And I’m sure that Texas or some of the more extreme locations within the US is probably ex exactly the same.
And I know you do have some research organizations doing stuff over there, but yeah, I would really love to have a, give me a couple of million dollars and I will, I’ll solve this problem.
Allen Hall: Just call RD test systems and they will. Send over one of their latest and greatest rain erosion testers.
That’s the way to do it. That test equipment is outstanding. The issue is there’s so many variables that’s the problem, and you have to try to take them one at a time and solve it. And obviously Australia’s different than Northern Europe. It just is and Joel’s pointed out numerous times. It’s not necessarily the water, it’s what’s in the water a lot of times is dirt and debris, which is an abrasive and it changes everything really.
Everything. Plus yet on the UV amount of UV in Australia, and I agree with you, Rosemary Australia has aggressive sunlight. It does a lot more damage there than in Denmark. Don’t let blade damage catch you off guard. OGs. Ping sensors detect issues before they become expensive. Time consuming problems from ice buildup and lightning strikes to pitch misalignment in internal blade cracks.
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Back to the US Environmental Protection Agency. The EPA filed a motion in February to review the Wind Energy projects, environmental impacts in response to. President Trump’s January memorandum to withdraw offshore wind leases for further review. Now, this setback follows shell’s withdrawal from the Atlantic Shores Project in January where the company reported a roughly $1 billion loss associated with the plan.
2,800 megawatt array off of Long Beach Island and Entine. Now, Phil, this permit. Poll is actually a result of a lawsuit which opened the door for the EPA to pull the permit. You wanna explain the logistics of this? So
Phil Totaro: effectively the lawsuit triggered a reevaluation of the the. Way in which the permit review was undertaken, the process that they followed.
And what the judge is effectively saying is that there was cause to uh, suggest that the process according to the EPA rules was not. Properly followed. And what that did is it allowed the EPA to pull the permit for a project that, I’m not sure if there was for knowledge of this.
And that’s why, ’cause you mentioned Shell pulled out EDF also pulled out, which was the other partner in the project. So it, the project, I don’t know if the project was already dead and they’re just putting a nail in the coffin or these companies pulled out because they felt like. This this ruling wasn’t gonna go their way.
But it’s. Concerning considering that, this was a process that was, done in a hurry at the end of, president Biden’s term where a lot of things, EPA reviews, Boeing reviews, a lot of permits were being issued for offshore wind to try and get things going.
The assumption being that if they had all those permits in place. They could just get on with business and get to building their projects. But it seems as though that’s not the case. And it, it’s, bad news for Atlantic Shores, which obviously seems dead now.
But there’s 19 gigawatts worth of other projects that are still, theoretically in the pipeline that could be built. And we’ll see if they actually get built.
Allen Hall: So that permit dealt with air pollutant emissions from the project during the pile driving construction phase, and its impact on the Brittin National Wilderness Area, which is just offshore of the coast of New Jersey.
Where they have limitations on air quality degradation. And my comment to Joel before we started the podcast was what kind of air quality pollutants are being emitted during pilot driving besides the ships? Driving the piles. Is there something else that I’m missing here? And would it matter all that much in the big scheme of things?
Joel Saxum: There’s two things, right? You have just the simple noise, pollution, right from boom. And some of times you have a little vibration in there, but that’s the only thing that happens there. And you can hear that a long ways away. But that’s not gonna affect anything. I’m not an EPA specialist, I’m not a noise specialist.
Maybe we should have Matthew Stead talk about this, but that, simple pounding is one thing, and that seems to be so minimal to me because, regular construction onshore is happening. It’s the guy’s putting a new roof on the house next door, pounding away, sounds like that, but it’s miles away.
And the other thing would be just emissions from the vessels that are out there. However, when you’re ve have a vessel out there for construction, it’s gonna be either one jack or one. A steady vessel doing pile driving, one work vessel and maybe a CTV or maybe a work boat. So maybe three vessels out there, max.
And if you’re managing it with a helicopter, maybe a helicopter. But it seems to me here that this is a, just a kind of a grab at some. Process problem and not an actual problem because it doesn’t seem like that’s an actual problem to me and either of these noise emission things.
Allen Hall: I actually looked this up, Joel.
It says the Brier wilderness area. Is a class one air quality area within the refuge, which protects it from manmade air pollution. And that means that they’re monitoring the air at that site all the time. Us Fish and Wildlife Surface is doing the monitoring there. But I assume there’s ships and all kinds of things just rolling right by there for emissions.
Joel Saxum: Yeah, that’s what it says. Okay, so tell ’em. They tell ’em they can’t have the vessel idled up when the wind is blowing east to west.
Allen Hall: That’s the weird part. What would the report have said that would, or what would’ve been in the report that was an error that would say there’s a lot of human made pollution landing on entine.
That, that doesn’t even make a lot of sense to me.
Rosemary Barnes: That’s gotta be shipping emissions. It’s not like it’s bringing up dust that escapes the earth’s, the, sorry, the water’s surface. How far is the wind site
Phil Totaro: from Entine? It’s a couple of miles. Yeah, it’s, no, it’s at least 10. If it’s in the shelf, there are 12 if it’s in the outer continental shelf.
But the look folks the real issue here. Is that this is what is likely to start happening more and more with any of the remaining wind farms, even if they’re under construction. Before, in, in Biden’s term, there were matters that were in the courts and they were getting dismissed because, the judges were, this isn’t supposed to happen, but the judges were being, told what to do.
The judge is theoretically supposed to rule independently, we all know how the system works. So nowadays they are, and the Justice Department used to be providing support to the defendants of all these kind of lawsuits. There have been lawsuits on vineyard, wind, there have been lawsuits on revolution on, pick every project you can name, and there’s been a lawsuit against it from one party or another.
Whether it’s Save the Whales or EPA or whatever. And the bottom line here is that this is what’s gonna be happening now in the new world order that we find ourselves in. They are gonna nitpick any stupid little thing in all of these little lawsuits that we’re getting tossed out before are gonna have legs.
Now
Rosemary Barnes: I’ve I’ve heard. Rumors that it’s potentially even more widespread than that, and not just offshore and things that are still working on permits, maybe projects that are already under construction. Like any kind of government involvement that you need, whether it’s just I don’t know, potentially even something as simple as you need a road closure to get some stuff on site.
That government departments are just simply not looking at those things. And so they just can’t progress. And I have heard that some developers considering maybe already have that, just putting a pause on anything that’s not started, pause it for four years so that, ’cause the worst thing is to get partway through a project and not be able to finish it.
Because then it’s gonna. It cost you more to restart it than it would be to just, pause it at the start. At least you can, start again from a clean slate and get everything done at once. So I think that, yeah, even though, like on the first blush of it, like there weren’t any executive orders or any, legislation that’s been passed that has.
On the face of it affected onshore wind all that much. I think that people are starting to realize that it could really slow that down as well.
Phil Totaro: Yeah, the only, so far, the only one that executive order that was passed for onshore was no renewable energy development on federal lands. That’s only affecting out of 32 or so gigawatts of wind energy in the.
Realistic project pipeline I’ll call it the stuff that’s actually likely to get built, that’s only gonna affect about six or seven gigawatts. It’s not an insubstantial percentage, but, at the end of the day, again it’s delaying things. It’s not totally stopping them.
But it’s concerning. In that offshore is much more expensive to develop, much more, time consuming to develop and whereas it was already a klugy process before, this is making it, a hundred times worse.
Joel Saxum: This week’s wind Farm of the week is the Dermot Wind Farm, which is owned by Osted, also called the Amazon Wind Farm.
So this thing was commissioned back in 2017 and commissioned in a special way. Jeff Bezos actually climbed to the top of a wind turbine and broke a bottle of champagne Oh. On one of the the attachment points up top. So he I’m hoping he was. Climb, safe, trained and everything to be up there as well.
But there was 110 GE 2.31 16 machines out there. It’s a 253 megawatt wind farm, and one of the focuses of this wind farm is a focus that if you pay attention to the energy markets, you’ve heard lately, there hasn’t been a huge spike in demand in energy in the United States. In the last 20, 30 years.
But now just in the last few and looking forward because of data centers and all these different things there, there is this forecasted spike of energy wanted. So thinking a little bit ahead of time, Amazon back in 2017 started investing in a lot of renewable energy projects. So this one is one of their 600 renewable energy projects across the globe right now.
Which is a pretty freaking large number. So this project has provided over $3 million in landowner payments and property taxes. And so it gives back to the local communities enough to power 74,000 homes annually. And it’s out by Abilene, Texas. So a little bit more about what Amazon is doing in the renewable energy space is they’ve invested over $12.6 billion.
Since 2014 in renewable energies. So the Dermot Wind Farm owned by Sted out in the central part of Texas. You are our wind farm of the week. I.
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CIP Offshore in Taiwan, RWE Buys GE Vernova for Texas
CIP achieves financial closure for an offshore wind project in Taiwan and the UK may shift towards a domestic offshore wind supply chain. GE Vernova plans to equip two RWE farms in Texas, and Masdar will potentially acquire TotalEnergies’ renewable assets in Portugal. Register for the start of our webinar series with SkySpecs!
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Allen Hall: Starting off the week, Copenhagen Infrastructure Partners has secured financial close on the 495 megawatt Fengmiao offshore wind project off Taiwan’s Coast. This Marks CIP’s third offshore wind project in Taiwan and is the first of Taiwan’s round three projects to start construction.
The project secured approximately $3.1 billion in financing from 27 banks with debt partially guaranteed by export credit agencies. Now Vestas will supply 33 of its latest 15 megawatt turbines for the projects and construction will finish by late 2027 with six corporate customers already signed for long-term power purchase agreements covering its entire capacity. Dan McGrail Interim, CEO of Britain’s new state owned GB Energy believes the UK should challenge oversee renewable energy companies by exporting its expertise globally. McGrail sees floating offshore wind as a huge opportunity for British technology leveraging existing supply chains from the oil and gas industry.
He aims to shift focus from importing parts to building them domestically, which could create an export industry over time. GE Vernova will equip two RWE farms in Texas with over 100 turbines with deliveries beginning later this year. The projects will help RWE surpass one gigawatt of rebuilt and repowered wind capacity across the US and generate enough electricity to power approximately 85,000 Texas homes and businesses annually. Boosting US content. Then the sales for the project will be manufactured at GE Vernova’s Florida facility, which employs about 20% Veterans.
RWE’s Chief Operating Officer emphasized their commitment to American energy production and strengthening domestic manufacturing and supply chains. GE Vernova’s Entre Wind Division currently has a total installed base of 56,000 turbines worldwide with nearly 120 gigawatts of installed capacity.
Abu Dhabi’s Masdar is considering acquiring a stake and total energy’s Portuguese renewable energy assets. The deal will likely be through SATA yield. The Green Energy Company masar purchased from Brookfield last year. This would add to MAs dollar’s growing European portfolio, which includes recent acquisitions in Spain and Greece as the company works towards its global target of 100 gigawatts by 2030.
Total Energy is currently has about 600 megawatts of installed renewable capacity in Portugal, mostly higher valued wind power assets. Total energy. CEO previously mentioned plans to divest around two gigawatts annually as part of portfolio consolidation. And that wraps up our wind industry headlines from Monday, March 24th. The conversation continues tomorrow on the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast, where we’ll explore even more insights shaping the future of renewable energy.
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