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Repowering the Wind Workforce: Rangel Renewables’ is Meeting Surging Industry Demand

This episode of the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast features Josh Rangel, founder and CEO of Rangel Renewables, a rapidly growing company providing renewable energy solutions. Josh discusses how he is partnering with community colleges to train new wind technicians to meet surging industry demand, his plans to expand into repowering projects with his crane company King Heavy Lift, the positive impacts of the Inflation Reduction Act, and how he is fostering a family culture and safety focus at his company during a time of unprecedented growth. The hosts also explore the global shortage of qualified wind technicians and what skills are most valuable for new hires to have. Throughout the wide-ranging conversation, Josh shares invaluable insights from the frontlines of the U.S. energy transition.

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Joel Saxum: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. I’m your co host, Joel Saxum, and today, Allen Hall and I have a very special episode in store for you. Joining us on the show is a forerunner in wind energy growth and a leader in the U. S. energy transition, Josh Rangel. He’s the founder and CEO of Rangel Renewables, a company that’s been growing rapidly, providing renewable energy solutions to the industry.

And he’s also the visionary behind King Heavy Lift, a key player in the race for a greener tomorrow. But today, he’s not just a business builder. He’s here to share his invaluable insights into the wind industry, hiring the right technicians, developing their skillsets, fostering an amazing family style company culture and discussing how the IRA bill is driving unprecedented growth in our field.

Without further ado, let’s get started with this episode of the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. One of the things that we talked about off air was the fact that you’re not, Rangel isn’t out to steal technicians from that company and this company and that company. What you’re really doing is adding to the overall talent pool.

Because that’s the problem we have as an industry. We have, there’s a batch of really good technicians and people within the industry that know what they’re doing and can do it. However, We’re not going to be able to sustain the growth in what we need to accomplish for our energy transition unless we take brand new green people and train them up and give them opportunities to succeed.

So how are you guys attacking that problem?

Josh Rangel: By partnering with the community colleges this is my big point that I get all the time. I’m interested, but I just don’t know what to do. I don’t know where to go. How do I apply? What are the steps? Do I need to go to a school that is requiring me to go for two years?

When you get a call and hey, we need 35 individuals in two to four weeks, can you support it? I necessarily can’t have somebody go out to a school for two years and then say hey, you know Call me back whenever you’re ready to go. And so Streamlining the processes as we identified. Okay. Hey The market is going to continue to grow, not enough, staff that can do the work.

Trying to do our best to now working with Aaron to educate those from our social media posts or to go to apply, what the steps are to take.

Joel Saxum: Absolutely. And one of the tools that you have to do that is you’ve got access to some funds too, don’t you?

Josh Rangel: Yep. So with the Houston Community College, there’s a program that we’re able to access now having Rangel Renewables and King Heavylift.

I own both businesses 100%. I can offer up to a half million dollars on the Rangel Renewables side and half a million dollars on the King Heavylift side to trades. And so upwards of 2, 000 ahead each year. So when I talk about a economic impact for making sure that. Again, as low cost effective for them as possible.

That way, when they get into the program, it’s one to two weeks, depending upon what certifications that’s needed. And then at that point, they’re off and running and then identifying with their field supervisor and are forming and leads. Where we can, again, support and make sure that these guys have a successful plan of action to succeed.

We just hit our two year mark of no recordables. And so again, that’s the men and women in the field making sure that they’re the one another’s keeper. We have programs to promote safety. So if you identify that a tagline was feared and didn’t need to go back in the field hey, document that and then we have an application that they can submit it to.

And then we vote on in the back office to see which is the most critical, crucial one that You know, was a big safety hazard and then whether it be beats by Dre or cool coolers, just having a laundry list of things that they would like for themselves. So now it’s Oh man, you got, you had a Yeti cooler and it had the Rangel logo and you get that brand of, the good cat safety of the month.

And then it’s I want to be able to do that. So then you get an influx of, Oh, I found trash. All right. All right.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, that program, the idea of having that direct field to office connection is crucial, because you always, no matter what industry you’re in, there’s always the, hey, safety meeting.

Everybody has the capability of stop work. Everybody has the capability of stop work, right? Everybody says that. But sometimes when you’re on site, it’s almost like the mob mentality, where you’re like, ah, let’s just get this thing going, let’s just do this. But you’ve enabled your people to actually Step aside, they can do it, can they do it anonymously or either, either way, they have a direct connection to maybe the people that aren’t at the field level to the back office.

You guys know exactly what’s going on right away. I have to think that your clients love this.

Josh Rangel: Today, we just passed our audit for our first year with an ISO. Fantastic. Now, is it necessary on certain accords? No, but if I know that all our men and women in the field and in the back office are going home to their loved ones every single day, that’s pretty better.

And so note that I’m again, back to the statement, I’m reinvesting the money that we’re getting from profits and putting it back into the business because this business will be generational. We will be a global entity. We will be a billion dollar company. But you have to instill the right ethics and morals and standards.

Allen Hall: So the last time we had you on the podcast was about a year ago, and I think we thought we knew what was going to happen over the next 12 months. And I don’t think that has gone the way we necessarily thought it was going to go. And I’m curious for you, especially with the repowering, all the things that are happening in the industry, and particularly in the Midwest, what you thought was going to happen versus what happened.

And where do you think we’re going in the next 12 months?

Josh Rangel: I’m very thankful for maintenance. Our port, our portfolio boasts of a large quantity of maintenance. 2020, we had a tremendous year on not only new construction, but 75 percent of our work was repowered. We did over a gigawatt of installation in 2020.

We did 10 out of 12 months, day and night. So we were around the clock and starting with, the management meetings going into the foreman. Going into toolbox talks and, having our morning roundups, then you work basically a 10, 12 hour day, and then you’re going into night shift. And then it’s doing the same thing with those guys and getting them ready and prepared and moving light plants and trailers and man lifts and making sure all that, is accounted for now with the change and going back into the political sense, then you have a change in power and where’s the money going to be allocated.

And you have your. IRA and what does that look like? And now when we are submitting our bids, what kind of apprenticeship program do you have? What taxes can you provide? As a minority business owner, OEMs, certain companies are now telling me you have to let us know that because we’re also required to utilize companies like yourself from the repowered standpoint.

Now that you have that transition of cash coming through the door, what it’s looking like for infrastructure. Now looking at, Hey, if we can align ourselves with transmission distribution, greenfield, brownfield projects, but in line with some of the electrical work that I’m familiar with, then I might, again, there’s going to be probably other areas for grants or opportunities for companies to grow.

I’ve also thought about, do I open up another company for the offshore market? I think maybe Texas offshore, something to that metric, but. Then again, does that align with another half a million dollars that I can provide to the trades to get them into the industry? And now I have access to 1.

5 million to be able to every year get individuals through, the schools and certification programs that are needed. So with Repower, we’re starting to get more RFQs and I believe that it’s due in part two, not only the RA, but the tax credits that are in line. More owners are saying, Hey, they’re the tax credits are there.

So let’s go get it. And then technology too has just grown so vastly and what you can do, then what you’ve done, even as five years ago.

Joel Saxum: Yeah. Another side of that, we’ve been talking with some people too, is everybody’s watching Repower and everybody cause you’re looking at the bright apple in the eye, right?

But one of the truths here is that in 2010, 11, 12, we also had a huge wind push. If you watch for installed capacity, there was a spike during those years. And now that buck is due, right? They’re all 10 years old. So they’re qualified for PTC. So not only is it the boom that we had back then, but the new apple of the eye today is a perfect storm for repowers and investment.

Josh Rangel: Right. And to that you deemed to ask the question why aren’t you guys just building the new town? Why can’t we just go new construction all the way through or as an owner? You’re thinking if the collection lines are, all the substations are in here…

Joel Saxum: It’s connection queues, grid queue. Yeah.

Josh Rangel: If I’m unable to save an extra five to 10 million on the civil side, and all I have to do is just take a few components off and add an adapter and then throw on the new technology, I think I want to go that route. And that’s where I, my personal opinion, but also, working with, several.

Higher ups that in the industry understand why that push for repower is there. Due to the fact of not only cost savings on the front end, but also with the tax credits on the back end as well.

Allen Hall: So that, does that change what you do over the next 12 months? I’m just curious as we see wind farms and you’re probably out there telling everybody like, Hey, that went from 10 years old.

You probably got to repower it and we’re ready. Does that change the way you structure what happens next? Because you see all that repowering happening in front of you.

Josh Rangel: Yes, sir. And this is gonna be in line with a question you had about king heavy lift. When you’re building new construction sites, crawlers are great.

They’re fantastic for what they’re doing, but on the repower side, and you’re moving from pad to pad, they want something a bit more mobile but also the cough for mobing in and demoing. Start to really jump in. So by identifying, utilizing hydro cranes, LTM, 1750, 1650, 1500, those cranes can really get after it.

And so with King heavy lift identifying role, what cranes do you want to go to market with and how do we want to make sure that we’re entering to be successful. And right now we’ve been subbing some of our cranes out on particular projects, but. As we’re moving into 2024 and going into 2025, what we’re seeing with repower projects and RFUs, let’s get a few of the hydro cranes.

That way we can start getting our portfolio built, the finances where they need to be revenue wise, because again, as I’m trying to move into the offshore market and you’re dealing with a billion dollar companies what Rangel Renewable is doing revenue wise and project wise. And how many cranes is King Heavy Lift and what type of lifts are you doing and in what capacity?

And so when you really put those together, now providing a full turnkey service to our customers, it really just makes sense to say. We trust them and we know that they can do the job.

Joel Saxum: Yeah. You become the solution provider, right? They’re saying we got a problem or we got a project. Let’s just call Josh and Aaron and the team, and they’ll figure out what they need to do to support us.

That’s the way you want it. That’s the perfect spot in the industry to be in.

Josh Rangel: For sure. And so that’s where. Really trying to strategize with purchases and getting manpower and aligning ourselves to make sure that again, if I know that we’re going to need another 150, 200 guys, girls in the next 12 months, what are we doing now to plan for it?

And again, align ourselves with purchasing of cranes and what that looks like. So super excited. Again, I say that we’re blessed and highly favored and doing a lot of great things. We’re in our seven year anniversary. So Friday going to supply, propose a few things and again, but when I look at it, we’ve really been operating as a true wind company the last four years, going into December.

To be able to say that. You just can’t put it into words. Yeah. So thankful and blessed. And I just remember it was like the first, I gotta read this first payroll, Lord help me. It like, and then it’s hey, I would look on LinkedIn. It’s what man, this is so cool. Their LinkedIn profile shows, wind technician Rangel renewables.

It’s like, all right, two months and then three months. Like, all right, people we’re seeing that, no one’s quitting. We’re doing this.

Joel Saxum: Yeah. Congrats, man. It’s not an, it’s not an easy road.

Josh Rangel: Oh yeah. No, not at all. And I probably, I know I make Aaron pull his hair out cause I’m like, Hey, we just started three new guys.

Are they on LinkedIn? Man, I just, they’re just trying to get on board. I’m like yeah, that’s fine. But LinkedIn makes sure they’re on it.

Allen Hall: Yeah. I do think you’re playing in a unique space at the minute, right? Because in business, particularly in the business you’re in, timing is everything.

That if you can ride the wave, you need to be riding that wave. And it become a little bit dangerous, right? That there’s a lot of money moving around and a lot of possibilities and not always, you may not always win that next contract that does that sort of change your perspective on what’s going to happen over the next 12 months in, in the sense of there’s a lot of activity, we can bid a lot of jobs out.

But we also know on the same token that getting good people on site can be difficult and to do the quality of job you guys have done, that there’s a standard you have to meet there. And does that sort of change your perspective on, Hey, we’re going to be much more selective on, on the tasks we do or the customers we work with going forward?

Josh Rangel: With wind, we can do wind and we knock it out of the park. On the King heavy lift side with cranes, I’m not just subject to wind projects. I’m also available for infrastructure, marine and construction sites. And we’re in the Mecca, oil and gas energy capital of the world in Houston. We have all the refineries, petrochem facilities, outages.

So really making sure that if we needed a pivot or diverse by the portfolio and say, Hey, we have these four cranes out and they were moving and moving the last 10 months, we might have a low for a month and a half. Okay. Let’s go move this to outage and they’re going to be out there for the next six weeks.

And then once the outage is done, we can shoot it back and it’s going to go back to the, projects in Iowa and it’ll be there for another 12 months. So really making sure that they’re not sitting, but also. Whether it be new construction, repower, maintenance is going to be pretty consistent. So we signed a three year service contract with a large OEM and it looks like we’re in line to do that with another OEM.

And wow, that’s great. Yes, sir. So consistently, we should be good on the maintenance side for. Blade bearings, main bearings, generators, gearboxes drive drains we’re doing a couple of nacelle swaps out in Colorado right now. We’re just small odd jobs, having to replace.

Whether it be fluids or oil or checking in on the batteries. And there’s just a plethora of things that need to be done. But again, it goes back to now being asked for BOP work a little different, but I’m open for it because again, that opens up another area for. New technicians to come into the industry and learn what we do.

Allen Hall: Oh yeah, absolutely. And that does force your people to have sort of a broader sense of skills, right? That if you’re doing BOP or you’re up tower a little bit, those are not always the same thing. And getting back to the training piece for here for a minute, that does mean, uh. Technicians, I know we use the word technician very broadly, right?

But that does mean that the technicians need to have some sort of basic fundamental skill, whether it be a mechanical or electrical even some civil work, that they have to have some area of expertise that they’re baselined in. Does that then drive how you select technicians?

If, we had a good example, we were talking to some companies up in Canada last week and they were going through this discussion about where to find technicians and What kind of skill sets are you, are they looking for? And one of the things that popped up was I don’t want somebody who’s just wind specific.

I don’t want somebody who just only knows how to fix blades or to grease gearboxes or whatever it is. I want somebody who has a little bit of a broader set of skills that can do, can be multiple things. Probably superior in one of those things at least, but has a broader sense of skills that the electrician can do.

Lubrication work or can go do BOP work. Is that the kind of person you’re looking for generally when you’re out and trying to bring new people on and for all these new jobs that we just created?

Josh Rangel: Yeah, no, great question. And it goes back to the culture of our business and making sure that we just don’t have people that are one sided.

If you hired me, I’m only gonna do blade swaps and that’s it. You’re probably not going to be a great fit because we have to be flexible and nimble. Our customers saying, Hey, we got to go shop out a generator. If you don’t know it, I’m going to put you with an experienced technician or a lead or a foreman that does, and go start to gain that experience.

Joel Saxum: Not just throw it, not just throwing them into the fire because you see that way too much in this industry, to be honest with you.

Josh Rangel: So identifying with our customers, if we’re going to start aligning with the BOP, having in house training. That way, if they are open for it, then it’s will get me in line with who’s already performing these tasks and then they’ll go through a week or two weeks worth of training to identify what those questions are and having labs to identify circuits and what they need to be looking out for, just basic maintenance work.

And again, it goes back to, there’s just not enough people in this industry, and we gotta go create them.

Allen Hall: That is so true, and that is industry wide, and we hear, Joel, we hear that all over the place. I don’t care what part of the planet we’re on at the moment, when we ask about technicians, same problem.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, you can be in Sweden, offshore in the UK, you can be in Italy, South America. Everybody’s like, where are we going to get these people from? How are we going to do this? The the global wind energy consortium, they came out with a report the other day and the statistics in it were staggering.

It was like with it by 20, I think it was 2040, they were saying 400, 000 new wind energy technicians globally, like 400, 000 people that need to be trained in the next. 17 years. That’s crazy.

Allen Hall: All right, Josh, thanks for being on the program. I, everybody wants to talk to you and try to connect with you. And I always say go to the website.

So you want to just tell everybody where they can find you.

Josh Rangel: Yeah. So if you’re wanting to connect, please reach out on our website, www.rangelrenewables.com or LinkedIn. I’m very active on that platform. And we have our social media platforms on Facebook. As well as Instagram and Twitter, the new X. So look forward to connecting with you guys.

And also our number to reach us at the office is 832-304-8328. Again, look forward to connecting and hopefully see you guys soon.

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Fraunhofer studies uptower carbon blade repairs, Vineyard Wind’s fight with GE Vernova deepens, the UK backs offshore innovation, and a 26-year Horns Rev study tracks how birds adapt to turbines.

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Allen Hall: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy podcast. I’m your host, Allen Hall. I’m here with Rosemary Barnes, Yolanda Padron, and Matthew Stead. Fraunhofer has published peer-reviewed feasibility research in wind energy science. And Rosemary, I don’t know if you read wind energy science, but there’s a lot of good information there about wind turbines and mechanical aspects.

Not much on the electrical side, but a lot about mechanical. Uh, in, in, in wind energy science, uh, they had a discussion or an article about repairing damaged pultruded CFRP spar cap planks while the blade stays on the turbine. Using finite element analysis on a 81.6-meter [00:01:00] blade from a seven-megawatt offshore turbine, the researchers found that a shear web window cut out as short as one meter drops buckling resistance from 20.7 times critical load to four times critical load, a reduction of over 80%.

The fix? Temporary external clamping frames with a pre-tensioned span-wise rod to carry gravity loads, combined with internal push rod assemblies and external stringers profiles to restore buckling resistance, all installed and removed uptower. Wow. I know we’ve discussed the carbon pultrusion repair situation and how critical that is or h- how difficult it is.

I didn’t realize it was that difficult, Rosemary, that if you actually try to replace a one-meter section of a carbon pultrusion, you’re re- reducing the, the, what, the, the buckling resistance by 80%? [00:02:00] Holy moly.

Rosemary Barnes: I don’t think that’s even 100% pultrusion specific, right? They’re talking about cutting a, a window in the shear web.

Allen Hall: Yes.

Rosemary Barnes: So that could be for any kind of repair you might have to do that, including if you need to repair, like sometimes you need to repair the, the shear web. Um, and even though, like, they’re not doing a lot of heavy lifting, um, that’s kind of a structural pun, um, they’re still super important. If they’re not there, then you’re gonna have big problems pretty immediately.

The way that it works with repairs is that there’s certain kinds of damage that you know that you can just do uptower. The technicians know they can do it. They don’t need to call an engineer. The engineer doesn’t call- need to call the expert engineer. But when you need to do something a bit unusual, like a whole meter of web removed, then you’re gonna need to get an engineer to, um, dial in the, y- the, to rerun the design codes basically, um, but with this weak structure now to see is this okay and is it okay, you know, uh, [00:03:00] obviously a turbine that is just, um, idle or it’s not even idle, it’s just fixed in place while they’re repairing it, that has different loads on it to one that’s operating.

So, you know, they’ll run that and make sure that it’s safe, um, before they do the repair. So what I really like about Fraunhofer is that they in some ways, like- Maybe it’s not cutting-edge science or engineering because they are largely repeating what is already well known in industry. But the problem is that industry doesn’t tell everybody else.

And so it is, like, such a vital role to then go and illustrate, um, to everybody else what, what’s happening in industry. And they, they are… Like, there is this problem with wind energy where academia and industry are not, um, talking too much, and a lot of the academic stuff just doesn’t relate at all to what’s happening in the industry.

But Fraunhofer do, like, 90, 90% of the time seem to get it at pretty right.

Allen Hall: When a carbon protrusion is [00:04:00] used, that really localizes where the load is versus in, in some of the more fiberglass designs that I’ve seen, the shell is actually taking some of the load. It’s not all in the shear web, so to speak. So doesn’t that sort of focus the loads into one location a little bit more when you move to carbon?

Isn’t that the point?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Well, the carbon fiber is, is a lot, lot, lot stiffer than, um, fiberglass, and it’s, it’s a lot stronger. So yeah, you are designing… I, I mean, always the spar caps have been the main load carriers, the, um, you know, the main laminate, the bit between the shear webs or over the shear webs.

Um, but it’s, yeah, it probably is, um uh, e- exacerbated or the increased effect when you add carbon fiber. But the, the thing about carbon fiber is it’s so susceptible to small damages or small deviations, so like a tiny little bit of fiber waviness, like if your fibers aren’t perfectly straight, then you can easily get a, a crack.

And [00:05:00] carbon fiber can also be a lot less forgiving than fiberglass. It is not uncommon that it will just break, and you didn’t even know there was anything wrong. So that damage intolerance is what led to people moving away from carbon fiber fabric and into pultrusions, because they’re made with perfectly straight fibers.

Um, but it, it raises some, uh, problems of its own because y- yeah, like how do you repair that? You can’t, um, you can’t get the fibers as straight again unless you repair a whole plank, um, because like they look like, like two-by-fours or something. You know, like they look like little fence palings, basically.

Black, black fence palings. Um, and so yeah, you, you’d have to repair, replace a whole one, and then you’ve got like a big chunk of structure that’s missing there, so that’s pretty hard to do uptower. I, I don’t know anybody that does those uptower, actually. Um, m- maybe they can now with this reinforcement method, but I would still not enjoy being in a blade that was missing a, a [00:06:00] pultrusion and up in the air.

Allen Hall: The offshore versus onshore equation, it, it would make more sense onshore to actually drop the blade, I assume. Offshore adds difficulty, but it sounds like with all the rigging a- and assembly that you would have to do offshore, it, it probably is gonna be close in terms of total cost to do an uptower repair versus a downtower repair I would think.

It, it– Wouldn’t you think it’d be roughly right?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, like in, in offshore, there’s always more motivation to do complicated, um, expe-expensive uh, things that will save you from having to do something even more expensive, like bringing, um, a whole blade back. Uh, yeah, going out, getting the vessel with the crane, bringing the blade down, and taking it in is just incredibly expensive.

So you can spend a lot of time faffing around reinforcing a blade uptower before you, um, you know, would come out behind. But you know what? While we’re on topic of carbon pultrusions, I think it, like it, um, it’s almost bypassing the, the biggest risk with them ’cause [00:07:00] what I see is the– Like it’s one thing when you know you’ve got damage that you need to repair, but far more common, I think, is that you don’t even know that you’ve got damage.

It’s very hard to, to see what’s going on in there. Um, I mean, people aren’t just going up periodically and doing ultrasounds, ul-ultrasound scans of their entire blade. But even if they were, it’s still not that easy to find all of the, the little damages in, in pultrusions. So, um, yeah, that’s something…

‘Cause it’s not such an old technology. It’s been around for, I, I don’t know, like not even 10 years these have been, being used consistently, probably more like five, um, that there’s been a lot of them out there. And I just, yeah, I, uh, maybe I’m overreacting because all I see is broken blades in my career, but, um, you know, I am a little bit worried that we’re gonna start to see as, you know, fatigue builds up, that we might start to see some more like sudden breakages in these blades.

Allen Hall: If Fraunhofer’s working on it, there must be a reason for the [00:08:00] analysis and all the engineering time that they spent on it, that it’s a concern. I don’t know how you would do it offshore, honestly, because of all the wind loads. That you would have this damaged blade, and yes, you would have all the engineering calculations, but I would just see the safety people being very concerned about it.

Because if it does go free, you have a couple of people up there minimum, and who knows what’s below.

Rosemary Barnes: But even the amount of time in between knowing that you have to, um, replace a pultrusion and actually getting up there to do it, like I’d be surprised that it didn’t break in that, in that time because it is such a big, a big, a big thing.

Um, so yeah. Uh, but super interesting work and I do, I, I do really, really appreciate that the Fraunhofer exists to, you know, do this sort of stuff and, um, give us the information w-we need to get a better understanding.

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UK government has deployed 15 million pounds, uh, which is about $20 million, uh, through Innovate UK in a coordinated push to move offshore wind technology from prototype stage into commercial supply chains. The package has three components: a 10 million [00:10:00] pound offshore wind innovation program, open competition for high potential businesses, a five million pound wind innovation hub to align industry, government, and research, and a 12 million pound effort for phase one of a large structures innovation center on the Isle of Wight, with Vestas already signed as its first industry partner for sustainable blade development.

So the, the large structure innovation center is a composite center which is gonna be doing some advanced technology work on blade design. And I think there’s no better place to do that at the moment than in the UK. But it does open the door to a number of UK firms, and even outside the UK firms, to get involved in the UK offshore and somewhat on the onshore side.

This has massive potential, I think, within the UK and outside the UK, Matthew.

Matthew Stead: I, I know from my own firsthand experience that, um, uh, actually getting into the wind space is, like, really [00:11:00] hard. So for this sort of, um, incubator and support around, um, you know, setting up businesses, I, I think this is a really, really good thing for the UK government to be doing.

Um, ’cause, yeah, how do, how do you build up a future industry if you, if you don’t have the new businesses coming through? So I, I think it’s a, it’s a, it’s a great thing that the UK government’s doing. And yeah, and how do you get small companies working with the larger OEMs? How do you get the innovation?

Yeah, it’s, yeah, I think that’s probably, you know, got five gold stars for the UK government.

Allen Hall: What are the areas that they should be focused on over the next couple of years? Obviously, blades is, is a massive one. I’m sure Vestas is gonna be deeply involved with that. Are there some other areas in technologies that the UK should be orienting its supply chains towards?

Matthew Stead: I’m personally 100% biased towards blades ’cause w- we know that, you know, um, if we look at the failures and we look at the failure rate, you know, where is the greatest growth in failure rates? It’s blades. Um, [00:12:00]you know, why, why are we still having failures? Why haven’t we learned? You know, where is the knowledge exchange?

Um, so I- I’m biased, but I think it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s needed in, in the blade space. Yeah, as what, you know, Rosie and you were talking about before, um, you know, knowing more about, um, what’s going on, how it can be repaired, how it can be dealt with, I think is super, super critical.

Allen Hall: Well, Vineyard Wind has its 62 turbines in the water south of Martha’s Vineyard, but the project is delivering only partial power while GE Vernova works through its outstanding repairs.

Now, the financial pressure is breaking into public view on two fronts. Boston landlord BP Hancock LLC is suing Vineyard Offshore, uh, the Avangrid and BP joint venture, for nearly $1.2 million in back rent at its John Hancock Tower offices. Uh, separately, GE Vernova wants out of its turbine supply contract, claiming Vineyard Wind owes [00:13:00] it over $300 million.

Vineyard Wind fires back that it is actually owed more than 800 million from GE Vernova, so that, that saga will continue for a while. But it is a little odd that the rent is not being paid by Vineyard Wind at, at, in the John Hancock Tower. And if you’re familiar… That’s downtown Boston. If you’re familiar with downtown Boston, that, the John Hancock Tower is one of those iconic buildings you see in pretty much every downtown photo of Boston.

There must be a lot happening at the moment at Vineyard that they’re not able to pay the rent, or they’re trying to shuffle some money around or, or seek more financing. Sounds like they’re in a refinancing phase, honestly. Yeah,

Yolanda Padron: I know that at, at times there’s– it’s really common for, for an asset manager to think, you know, “Oh, we have X amount of money,” and then all of a sudden you– it’s all of the, the additional [00:14:00] repairs or the additional operational costs stack up to a bit more than they thought they were gonna have, and then maybe they don’t even have enough money to go do trash removal or anything.

And that happens, and it’s more often than, than we’d like to admit. Um, but this is on a bigger scale, right? Like, this is a project that we’ve talked a lot about, everyone’s talked a lot about, and it has a lot of eyes on it. And so for it to, to be so behind on rent on such an iconic place and such an important place and such an important part of the country, backed by a very important company, it’s really, it’s really interesting to, to think about kind of what they’re thinking.

‘Cause in, in my mind, right, like, if I was the people backing them, I would think, “Okay, well, the f- first thing’s first, like, let’s not give them any additional reason to hate us right now.” Right? Or like, you know, the public opinion is really big on these kind of things. Um, so I, I don’t, I don’t know what the, what [00:15:00] the exact plan is here.

Allen Hall: Well, I wonder if this is part of the, the negotiation with GE Vernova, that, uh, the, the payments and the, the power which leads to payments, uh, hasn’t been at it- its desired output from Vineyard Wind and is this an effort to, uh, shore up their legal case with GE Vernova to say, “Hey, look, uh, Avangrid’s not gonna throw a bunch of money in, even for rent.

This project needs to stand on its own two feet, and it can, but GE Vernova needs to be involved with it and get the turbines up and running to the level at which they were contracted to do”? Is this part of that play? ‘Cause it just feels like it. You know Avon Grid has the money to pay the rent. That’s not even a question.

It’s, but it’s why they are not doing it is probably the bigger question at the moment. Is, is it just all legal maneuvering at the minute?

Matthew Stead: I, I wonder if it’s a bit like, uh, you get the utility billing, you get the [00:16:00] electricity billing, you put it in the, the drawer over there, and then you forget about it, and then you forget to pay it, and-

Allen Hall: It’s a million dollars

Matthew Stead: $1 million out of, uh, 600 or whatever billions, you know? Maybe it was, maybe it was just a simple oversight.

Allen Hall: It could totally be oversight, but it’s, it seems like with the amount of attention that Vineyard Wind and GE Vernova are, are getting, and they are literally within a stone’s throw of one another, they can s- I’m– You could probably see the GE Vernova building from the John Hancock Tower, that, uh, you, you think that some of this would get settled, but it’s not.

It’s still going on. It’s, it’s crazy. It– With, and with Avon Grid and BP still being involved with it somewhat, uh, there’s something happening behind the scenes that has not poked its head up yet. It’s coming, though. This is all coming to a head pretty quickly. The– Massachusetts needs Vineyard Wind to run.

They really do, and it’s, it is a little surprising at [00:17:00] times that the state of Massachusetts is standing on the sidelines in this.

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Whether you’re an industry veteran or new to wind, PES Wind has the high-quality content you need. Don’t miss out. Visit peswind.com today. In this quarter’s PES Wind, there’s a lot of good articles in there. If you don’t have a copy, you can go to peswind.com and download one. A interesting article from Safe Lifting, which is a European-based lifting company that does basically bespoke engineering on lifts, and they’ve been making a push that’s saying that the next wave of projects depends on bigger [00:18:00] turbines, of course, which means bigger lifts, but they need to have some standardization to them.

Uh, things like spreader beams and rigging systems that are pre-built and pre-validated, uh, just reduce the overall engineering time it takes to do these lifts. Uh, and rental equipment models are a lot lower cost than buying OEM-specific or site-specific lift equipment, trying to keep the capital costs down.

That’s one of the big pushes in the wind industry is lowering the overall cost of installation. It does make sense, but it– as we were talking off-air a minute ago, a lot of lifts for basically the same kind of turbine are different. The, the connection points are different. There’s a lot of engineering that goes on there, and as the turbine sizes reach 15 megawatts plus, and the cells are massive, blades are massive.[00:19:00]

But it does seem like in a lot of other aspects of wind, there is some standardization, an IEC spec or some sort of overall guidance document for the industry that like, let’s put the lift points here, here, here, and here and lift with the right equipment. And Matthew, we just haven’t done it in lifting, even in smaller turbines, same thing.

Matthew Stead: Oh, it’s crazy. Um, I was, I was thinking about it, and, you know, my, my suggestion would be that, you know, when I buy 100 turbines, I should get, um, a blade lifting kit. It’s like when you buy a car, you, you get a, you get a kit to change the tire, don’t you? So I would’ve thought it would be just fundamental. Um, but, but, but we know that the wind industry is not always logical.

Um, so what is, what might be considered normal in a car is not normal for a wind turbine. Um, but yeah, uh, you know, this sounds like a perfect way of going to have more of a sort of standardized and, you know, not, not wait for the OEMs, but actually lead this and, and [00:20:00] drive this standardization. So yeah, thumbs up from me.

Yolanda Padron: I think this is really cool. Uh, I really hope that if we can standardize the way that we do that, we can make sure that the teams are trained in, like, the standard ways of, of lifting. I know that, um, I’ve, I’ve seen a few cases where someone didn’t know, there hadn’t- been exposed to a particular blade type and they were in char- you know, in charge of, of lifting it to, to, to do a blade replacement and then, um, they accidentally ended up damaging the blade and so you had this bad crack that they kind of painted over because it was a little bit embarrassing for them at the time.

And then, you know, a year later it’s like, well, okay, well, maybe next time ask someone, um, if you if you don’t know the, the exact lifting protocols or, or if you mess up, you know, let someone know. Um, but, but [00:21:00] yeah, the, you know, a lot of these, these smaller and, and larger structural cracks that, that come from, from lifting errors would be avoided if everybody was doing the same thing or the same two iterations of Of lifting standards, which is really exciting

Matthew Stead: Y- y- if you’ve got a wind farm, y- y- you’re guaranteed you’re gonna have to drop a blade at some point, aren’t you?

Allen Hall: And a gearbox

Matthew Stead: and a generator It’s, it’s pretty much a given. So like, like I said before, I reckon it should just be part of the standard kit that you buy, is you, you, you buy a substation, but you also buy a lifting, a lifting kit as well.

Allen Hall: It’s one of the more, uh, dangerous parts of wind is lifting, clearly, and we’ve seen that over time.

And, uh, having standardized equipment, back to Yolanda’s point, does make a lot of sense because if you’re out there doing this quite often and you have different rigging for every different OEM, you can get crosswise, and things happen. And if we had some standardization there, that would make a tremendous [00:22:00] amount of sense.

That’s why, uh, Safe Lifting wrote this article on PES Wind. So if, if you wanna read this article, just visit peswind.com. When engineers plan an offshore wind farm, they try to account for everything, including seabirds. And at the Horns Rev wind farm in the Danish North Sea, the layout was meant to leave birds a clear way through, but the birds had, uh, ideas of their own.

After 26 years of patient monitoring, researchers found that the turbines did not simply chase wildlife away. Instead, they reshuffled the entire neighborhood in the sky, turning some species into avoiders and others into opportunists. So this has been a big discussion in the wind industry for a long time, particularly for offshore wind projects, of what to do with the birds.

And the early assumption was that, hey, let’s just give them a pathway where they can fly [00:23:00] through, and birds have made up their minds. Some are taking that path. Others are avoiding it because of the change in the which, uh, species are hanging out where. This is a remarkable outcome, and it’s been going on long enough that there’s, uh, some statistical relevance to it now.

Do we need to get some bird psychologists involved in these offshore projects on how we think of how birds behave? Because I think to the engineering community, you know, like, you, you put a road there for you to fly through, bird, and then you decide not to. This is at a different level than engineering.

Yolanda Padron: I think it’s great to do as much as you can do, right? It’s amazing that they did all of this work. It is kind of funny. I mean, it’s, it’s sad. I’ve… I’m, I’m gonna get into trouble on LinkedIn or something by someone. I, I mean, it’s, it’s sad, of course, if, if birds get hit, right? But it’s, it’s, we can’t control everything.

You [00:24:00] know, as much planning that went into this, it’s

And what’s the next step here?

Matthew Stead: Well, first of all, 26 years? Is that correct? Yeah, 26 years. I mean, m- I, my- the thought that came to mind is that sometimes engineers don’t understand the natural environment. Sorry, just, just take that as a, as a observation. But, you know, I- it just reminds me of when, um, when civil engineers lay out paths and pavement, you know, they put a path in, but then people walk around it.

People do whatever they wanna do. And so, you know, I, I don’t think we can actually design out some of these things because we just will never understand the bird, we’ll never understand the human. Um, so yeah, I think put a little bit of effort in. I think going back to what Yolanda said, just put a, a bit of effort in.

But yeah, actually, there are some things in this world we can’t control.

Yolanda Padron: Yeah, I mean, [00:25:00] there’s, there’s of course endangered species. There’s of course, you know, a lot of, a lot of monitoring companies out there that do a really good job. Depending on what you need and depending on, you know… You can tailor your site needs around w- what’s gonna happen, right?

Or, you know, if you know that you’re in the migratory pattern of a particular species- There’s, I know there’s a lot of very smart people hard at work to make sure that your site is tailored to fit what needs to, what needs to happen there. And it’s great. I think it’s a great, it’s great to know, you know, that, that people in this industry care about birds.

I know I once had to go through extra check at TSA because the, the person there said, you know, “Oh, you work in wind? Save the birds.” And then he sent me through this, like, a lot, because he, he thought I was killing birds every day. Um, so I mean, you know, [00:26:00] we’re not killing birds out here, and it’s great, and it’s lovely to see all the hard work that goes into this.

But it, but it also, it’s, it’s important to note that the plans aren’t gonna be 100% foolproof, and that’s okay. You can just try your best.

Allen Hall: What’s the one bird you would assume as an engineer would not care if the wind turbines were there or not? The bird you see absolutely everywhere around the sea.

Matthew Stead: Seagull.

Allen Hall: Seagull. They do not care. They love wind turbines. They’ll use them as perches. I’m sure that, uh, yeah, a lot of, uh, technicians had to deal with seagulls, uh, hanging around the wind turbines. That has to be a thing. So it just depends on the species, for sure. Which is unique, right? E- every species has its own separate personality and things that it likes to do.

Uh, so in some of the wind turbines, I’m sure the seagulls are probably an annoyance, but they’re gonna let them be. And s- and some other species just don’t wanna be around the wind turbines, so even if you put a pathway through them, they’re just not gonna be [00:27:00] there. That’s an interesting finding.

Matthew Stead: It’s like onshore as well.

I mean, cows and sheep love to stand in the shade of a wind turbine, so they like to hang around. They scratch themselves on the, on the, the stair. You know, they, they rub themselves on the bolt covers. You know, they try and eat stuff. Goats, goats are particularly bad.

Allen Hall: Goats are really aggressive on wind farms for finding wires.

Absolutely. An- anything to eat.

Yolanda Padron: Raccoons.

Allen Hall: Yes. Raccoons.

Yolanda Padron: Snakes.

Allen Hall: The snakes do hide out in the shade. That is one thing you gotta be careful about is, uh, especially in Texas, of kicking over a rock and finding a snake, so make a lot of noise when you’re walking in Texas. That’s the plan. That wraps up another episode of the Uptime: Wind Energy podcast.

If today’s discussion sparked any questions or ideas, we’d love to hear from you. Reach out to us on LinkedIn, and don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode. And if you found some value in today’s conversation, [00:28:00] please leave us a review. It really helps other wind energy professionals discover the show.

So for Rosie, Yolanda, and Matthew, I’m Allen Hall, and I’ll see you here next week on the Uptime: Wind Energy podcast.

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We have huge problems in this country, but the “onslaught” of Sharia Law isn’t one of them.

This is a fine example of the decay of American education. Think back to when you were in junior high school.  If someone said something like this, wouldn’t you have asked, “Are you serious? Radical Islam has usurped the U.S. Constitution?  Can you provide any evidence to support this?

Now, we accept it, because some Trump supporter in congress tells us it’s true.

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