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Vestas 7.2 MW Turbine, New Aerones Funding Round
The hosts discuss the recent $62 million funding round for Aerones, Siemens Energy’s call for increased offshore wind capacity in the UK, Canada’s push for offshore wind with Bill C-49, and the installation of Vestas’ 7.2 MW turbine in Germany. And the Coyote Wind Farm in Texas as the Wind Farm of the Week.
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Allen Hall: And welcome back to the Uptown Wind Energy Podcast.
I’m here with Rosemary Barnes, Joel Saxon, and Phil Ro. Uh, crazy week. Again, I don’t know how else to describe it. The, I was just telling our producer this morning that there’s so much news coming out where it seemed like to be a little bit of a lull after the US House bill, but it’s picked right back up again.
And one of the more exciting things that’s happened is A owns closed a $62 million series B. Uh, led by Activate Capital and S two G with, uh, revenue growing at Aeros by about 300% in 2024, and they are getting a lot of requests from [00:01:00] operators in the United States and elsewhere to fix their wind turbine blades.
They have been working pretty closely with GE Renova and NextEra. Over the last, what Joel say two years, maybe a little bit longer on a number of problems.
Joel Saxum: Yeah. A couple years they’ve been doing, uh, bespoke solutions for both of them. They’ve also been doing their, you know, standard things that they’re rolling out to the rest of the market.
But I think this is a good thing. In one article that I was reading, there is like a tier one operator starting to adopt it, right? So. Everybody was kind of approaching that robotic thing, like, yeah, it looks like it’s the future and, you know, but a little trepid, right? Dipping a toe in or dipping a finger into the water, trying it out.
But now it seems like, hey, we got an LEP campaign, coones, we’ve got this robotics problem we wanna solve, collar owns. So they’re starting to get more and more adoption and, and that shows, right, 300%, uh, revenue growth in 2024. So that’s, that’s huge, right? To, to hit that kind of number. So now it’s up to, uh, scaling up.
Uh, the only thing that can cap that number is the amount of robots that they can put outta the [00:02:00] factory over there in Riga.
Allen Hall: And we visited their facility in the United States about a year ago. It was just outside of Dallas, near Lake Dallas of all places. And it is a decent sized facility, but at the time we, when we walked around out back, you just noticed a whole bunch of, uh, parking lot spaces with trailers and capabilities for robots and thought, wow, that there’s a lot of robot, uh, sitting in the parking lot.
And, uh. But then they had, when I asked they, they said, oh, they had a ton of crews already out in the field working. So they do have the ability to get to a number of turbine sites. I, I guess maybe still not enough from what I hear, there’s, the demand has gone through the roof.
Joel Saxum: Well, it’s, it’s a really interesting, or really cool, I guess, opportunity for technicians.
So that’s one of the things that robotics does is it addresses the technician shortage. You got a technician shortage, great, let’s use robots. Then we can start, uh, having that force multiplier, right? Because you could run robots on two turbines from one control van. You can do a lot of stuff there. But as a technician, [00:03:00] what a great opportunity.
If you know blades, if you know in the field, you don’t even have to know that stuff. Not even go work with robotics and AI and like the future of cool things. And I know that a Rowan’s part of their growth and their plans here, they got the $62 million. Of course, we don’t know all the plans they are gonna do with that, but I do know that they’re making a push to hire locally to get local talent, to get local back office to expand their presence in the states.
’cause it’s a, it’s a, it’s a huge market here, right? So they’ve brought on some, some more, uh, horsepower locally from the states, whereas before they were having to bring a lot of technicians over from, from Europe. They’ve started to crack into that and use more local stuff to be able to do things faster and more efficiently, which is, uh, you know, that’s better for all the, all their customers as well.
Allen Hall: Well, I think one key about this announcement is when opportunity presented itself, I. Rowans went after it. And that opportunity was with GE Renova on some tip mast additions. And there was a lot of [00:04:00] blaze that needed some more weight in the tip, and the robot could do it faster. I think at the time, uh, GE was planning on doing it with technicians on ropes, and then, uh, aeros demonstrated they could do it faster, more consistently with robotics, and that was the opening that they needed.
I don’t remember how many, uh, blades they have done that, uh, addition to, but it’s gotta be in the thousands at this point.
Joel Saxum: I’d say this about that Arons team. I mean, you, you and I know Dyna crews very well, the CEO, we know the CTO, we know the sales team. Some of the operations people, they are not shy on grabbing an opportunity and running with it.
And, and I’ll also, this the, one of the, one of, in the, in the wind industry, one of the best companies I’ve seen. Run with primary market research, right? Where someone says, here’s a problem, can you help us solve it? Boom. They’re on it, creating a solution tomorrow. Um, and not a lot of people do that very well.
So [00:05:00] I think that’s been part of their, their prowess in, in the scale that they’ve done. And what of course, and oversubscribed funding round means you’re doing something right. And I, and I think that that shows.
Allen Hall: Over in the uk, Siemens Energy’s UK Vice President warns that allocation round seven, which is upcoming, must award a record six gigawatts of offshore wind capacity to maintain the trajectory towards the 43 to 50 gigawatt goal by 2030.
Target that the UK has set up for itself and there are, the UK is at about 15 gigawatts at the minute, and. So the, the push from Siemens is we have a factory in haul. We make blades and make turbines. We we’re really good in offshore work, but we really need to go. Uh, and that’s driven by governments putting out, uh, awards and driving the industry forward.
And, and Siemens UK vice president is saying, now’s the time. Now is a time that they really need to show progress. I think that’s [00:06:00] generally true. If you do look at, and if you, Joel, I don’t know if you saw this, or maybe Phil, you saw this this week. Uh, the UK put out a map of where all the wind farms are and where all the permanent or the rare earth magnets were located and when those farms are gonna come offline in an effort to potentially recycle those rare earth magnets.
So you have this nice little. A year by year map of the decommissioning of one cype decommission when they could reuse those rare earth magnets. And you can see all the wind farms in the uk. There are a lot of wind farms right now in, mostly on the west coast. Well, some of the west coast, a decent amount on the East coast, but there’s still a lot of onshore wind, which I didn’t realize, uh, that.
UK government effort is really paying dividends, I think, but the rate’s not enough. I guess that’s the problem. The rate is not enough to keep up where their goals are. Phil is, are they gonna be able to do that even if they [00:07:00]do have a, an allocation round of, you know, upwards of six, seven gigawatts coming up.
Phil Totaro: That’s the challenge. They have about, uh, 11,000 onshore turbines, um, in the UK at this point, according to, to our data, uh, and offshore, I forget what the turbine count is, but it, they’re, they’re up there in the, you know, 28 to 30 gigawatts now, um, that’s operational or under construction, um, which is fantastic.
You know what Siemens is saying is that. Based upon what’s happened in previous allocation rounds, um, specifically they didn’t have enough capacity to serve the entire demand. Um, basically what they were willing to allocate at, at a particular price point. Uh, and so it left the project developers and independent power producers is left with, well either, you know, we’ve gotta go find a corporate power offtake, which really for uh, [00:08:00] an offshore wind farm is gonna be much.
More challenging to do, uh, than, than onshore because of the, the size and scale of these things. Of course. Um, so, you know, they are still largely dependent on the government, you know, facilitating this offtake through, you know, national Grid and, and the other grid operators to be able to have. That allocation of power and then, you know, more utility contracts get signed, um, that way.
And, and that’s how people get fed. How
Joel Saxum: many years, Phil, did they have that? Uh, like on there was an onshore moratorium against more new onshore wind. How many years did that last?
Phil Totaro: I wanna say it was like eight. Uh, if memory serves to, just to clarify this, so the head of moratorium in Lower England, which is basically, you know, not Wales, not Scotland, not Northern Ireland or, uh, you know, any of the outer banks areas.
Um, but just lower [00:09:00] England, they’ve removed that. At least in principle. And so far there’s only been one proposed project from Kubico, uh, that was actually had been proposed from like, whatever, 15, 20 years ago. And now they’re like, Hey, great, we can actually do our project now. Uh, you know, like everybody’s just kind of waiting for whatever the mechanism is gonna be.
Um, and where the demand is is gonna come from the, you know, everybody keeps talking about things like AI and data centers and. Et cetera. And, and yet their, their pipeline for project proposals in, uh, you know, the lower England, again, so to speak, is, is, uh, a little bit thin by comparison. They’re really trying to focus more on offshore wind for.
You know, power that’s gonna be fed into London and the surrounding areas. And Scotland is still going strong with, uh, you know, with onshore wind and of course whatever, whatever offshore they’ve got up there. Um, [00:10:00] but they’re building a lot of interconnectors as well with Ireland, with France, um, and I think one with Norway, if memory serves or is it Denmark?
One of those. Um, but they’re, they’ve got, you know, power links going all over the place now to be able to, to, you know, feed and balance power with Europe.
Joel Saxum: Yeah, I think the, I think the interesting thing here is, um, I mean, from Siemens energy point of view and from, I mean, you name it, if it’s Vestas or GE or whoever of their offshore wind needs some wins.
Uh, no pun, no pun intended. Like, we, we need some good news. We need one of these auctions to go well as a, as a group. Um, just to reinstall confidence that offshore wind is the, the way of the future, right? So we have some movements, right? You’ve seen Japan open up their EEZ, that’s fantastic. Um, we saw some of the projects in the states get moving again, great news.
Um, but you see still this kind of lukewarm temperature towards offshore wind. So it would be great to [00:11:00] see this thing go fantastically so that, uh, we get. Kind of the, the winds back in our sails pushing
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Uh, the, the regulatory framework addresses jurisdictional complexities that have historically complicated offshore development and is creating some streamlined programing. Permitting that, uh, mirror successful offshore, uh, petroleum models. Now, I, this is really Canada taking advantage of what has happened off the east coast of the United States in that, uh, if progress is gonna slow off the Atlantic, then Massachusetts, New York, New Hampshire, Maine, all those East coast states can be fed and are currently fed.
Um, by Hydro Quebec and others, uh, to provide power. So if they, if Canada does decide to build offshore wind up in Newfoundland, it’s pretty easy to get the power to Canada and to the United States. That could be a huge win. And the cost of doing business in Canada is lower than it is in the United States at the moment.
Joel Saxum: There’s a fundamental trouble there. So, Newfoundland Labrador, [00:13:00] amazing wind resources, like I’ve spent some time up there, right. Um. The other side of it is, uh, about 90, I think it’s like, it’s really high. It’s like 98% of their power is renewable already. It’s, they have a lot of hydro, they have a ton of hydro resources and a lack of, uh, heavy industry or load.
Right. So it’s not, if you look at the population of Newfoundland, like most of it’s in St. John’s Labrador. Labrador City Lab City’s got some population, but the population of those two areas, and I I, the island of Newfoundland and Labrador mainland is so small that there’s not that much demand. Right. I think they’re total, I can’t even say what their total numbers are, but I know they’re low.
Right. And there’s not a lot of heavy industry there. There’s not a lot of things there that are going to take advantage of this wind resource they have. So you’re either gonna be looking at green hydrogen of some sort. Or you’re gonna be exporting. So whether you’re exporting back to the [00:14:00] mainland or you’re HVDC exporting down to the states, and that’s the route I would go simply because even when you start passing back to the mainland, so you’re gonna New Brunswick and that, like, there’s no load there either.
Like there’s no load until you hit Halifax. Right? So there’s, there’s just a lack of, there’s there, they have the abundance of wind resource and a lack of off take. So. Put it in a cable and ship it down to the states where we need it anyways. And, uh, triage it that way, that’s the way I would look at it.
I’m, I’m super happy up for, for them.
Rosemary Barnes: But Quebec’s already connected to the US right? They’re, yeah. So if they are, their grids already very renewable, but it’s hydro, which is dispatchable. And so if they can replace more of their own, um, you know, local generation, even if they can’t connect all of that, um, you know, new, the new projects, if they can’t get capacity to connect it all to the us you know, directly, they could at least reduce the amount of their hydro that they have to use [00:15:00] themselves and then allow them to sell it to the US when, um, yeah, when prices are high.
So it seems like it would still be, still be a win. And it also seems like it would be a whole lot easier to develop those wind farms than to go slightly south and you know, the troubles that the US is having developing. Developing those regions for offshore wind seems like this would be an easier solution.
I don’t see a whole lot of like the, you know, the northeast of the us. So many people live there and they just seem like really set on categorically eliminating every single, um, sensible idea that they could have for. Generating electricity into the future and not just assuming that they want to decarbonize, even forgetting about that, they’re still, like, they, they won’t, they, they won’t build anything basically.
Every, you know, you can’t, um, take advantage of the inland wind. They don’t want more nuclear. They don’t want more gas. They don’t want, uh, yeah, the, the, they don’t want offshore wind. [00:16:00] I, I don’t know. There’s, there’s a finite number of options that you can. That you can choose from to, um, figure out your new, you know, what your future electricity mix is gonna be.
Um, it seems like it might be easier to, uh, you know, build a project in Canada, but they don’t seem so, so, uh, you know, bothered by every single option that you could come up with to generate electricity. They seem quite happy to, you know, generate cheap green energy and, um, sell it at a premium to the us so.
Maybe that’s a, a win-win for everybody. I mean, it’s a, it’s a win-win except for in probably the, the cost of electricity that, um, you’ll pay in, in New York, obviously it would be cheaper to just directly build the offshore wind and connect it right into the grid there, rather than having to go across the border via HVDC, but
Allen Hall: I don’t know.
I, I, yeah, I’m really wondering about the economics of that Rosemary. Just because things are cheaper in Canada. Well, yeah, it was about 30% less than what it costs in America to do things. [00:17:00] So just during that 30% number, if you could install wind at a 30% lower cost, you could then spend some money on building a cable or two.
To me, that’s, that would, it would start to pencil out. You have to start thinking. America’s not gonna move. They’re
Joel Saxum: attached to Canada permanently. One, one of the things that we’ve said that there’s an issue with the United States, okay, we talked Jones Act and Vessels and these kind of things, but one of the, you know, the crux of the Jones Act is people and the fact that along that, like East Coast of the United States, while it is a maritime or a marine environment, it is not a maritime society, right?
You don’t hit. A lot of big ocean going like, like when you’re in Denmark, a lot of people have worked on boats. They’ve worked offshore, they’ve done these things. You don’t run into that along the East Coast of the United States. However, when you go to PEI and Cape Breton and Nova Scotia and Newfoundland, PE, like those people, they’ve.
They’ve lived with the [00:18:00] ocean, right? That’s, that’s their bread and butter. They’ve been on fishing boats. They know there’s a lot of mariners up there. So I think that if you’re looking for the ability to ramp up and scale up a, uh, a workforce, it might be easier to do it there as well. So there’s some advantages to doing things in Canada.
Allen Hall: Do you think that, uh, they’ll find. Operators willing to take that risk or who have put down deposits on turbines that they can’t put into the United States that’ll just say, Hey, we can move up to Canada and do it there.
Joel Saxum: Well, I think there’s, there’s a couple of trouble troubling things there. If you wanna operate in Newfoundland Labrador, offshore wind, you better have your wits about you when it comes to o and m, ’cause that is an unforgiving environment.
I mean, you’re literally, you’re combating, uh, icebergs, right? The Titanic sunk off the coast of Newfoundland. So just so we’re all clear that their icebergs are a real thing up there. Really nasty. You’re in the North Atlantic now. You’re, you’re not in Kansas anymore, right? It’s, it’s [00:19:00] nasty up there. It ain’t Australia, I’ll tell you that.
So making sure that you, you’ve got your o and m budget squared away and everything is great. The other, the other economic thing. I don’t know what kind of, now they’ve said they’ve streamlined some permitting and some other things here in this bill that Canada put up. Great. To export renewable energy from Canada to Mexico or to Mexico, from Canada to the United States.
You got, you got to have your, the, the, uh, economics. Correct. Because one of the things we always talk about in the o and m world is how much better the PPAs are in Canada. Right where you’re gonna see, you’re gonna see in Michigan a 60, $70 PPA, you go across the border in Canada and that is a a hundred dollars PPA or $110 PPA.
Right. So if you have a hundred, if you can, if you can build a, yeah, if you can build a wind farm, and, and I’m, I’m just looking at the map right now, I’m going clo a little bit closer. If you can build a wind, wind farm off shore in Nova Scotia, which is a couple hundred miles from Maine. Right. Not a big deal.[00:20:00]
You better hope that you can get more for that power coming into the United States than Nova Scotia would allow you in an offtake PPA agreement, because you’re gonna have to beat that to send it elsewhere.
Rosemary Barnes: But did you know that there’s a plan to connect the um, yeah, connect Canada? I, I think connect Labrador.
It might be from somewhere in that region anyway, to the, to the UK to. Island, maybe
Joel Saxum: that, I mean, that makes sense.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. I mean it’s long, I think it’s four or 5,000 kilometers, um, cable, something like that. Um, may maybe it goes ahead. Maybe it doesn’t. It, yeah. It, it’s long, it’s unprecedented. There’s a whole lot of technical challenges to solve, and I.
But you know, like as far as some of these, uh, really big interconnections, I mean, there’s always a political challenge that, you know, I just mentioned between, um, Canada and the US Probably wasn’t the slam dunk that you would’ve thought it was a couple of months ago. But some of the other big ones that are planned, like from Australia, they plan to connect the north of Australia to Singapore via Indonesia.
I mean, we’re not countries that are, you know, extremely, uh, close [00:21:00]on our, um, you know, international relations. Then the other big one is X links between Morocco and the uk. And again, like these aren’t countries that we’re not like at war or anything, or worried about imminent war. I mean, we’re, we’re friendly but not extremely like-minded.
You know, between, um, Ireland and, uh, and Canada. I mean, that’s, as you know, that, that’s more closely aligned in terms of, you know, culture and, uh, history than any of those other pairings. So I do think it has that benefit.
Phil Totaro: The challenge with this is that we actually ended up canceling a lot of the grant money for some of those HVDC lines we were gonna put.
To expand the capacity between the US and Quebec. Uh, so they’re gonna build, you know, additional pipeline there to be able to, to offtake some of that power. But we’re not gonna be able to accept it if we don’t have the matching HBDC [00:22:00] capacity to be able to offtake the power down here. So that’s still a technical challenge to be overcome potentially in another three and a half years.
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Joel, this is awesome. Which marks the latest evolution of, uh, the Inventus platform. They’re looking towards medium and low wind sites, [00:23:00]which I think makes a ton of sense.
But they’re also, uh, I think the hub height’s like 175 meters because they’re having issues in Europe. Right, right. It’s 175 meters. Uh, but the rotor, Joel is 172. Right. So. The rotor diameter and the hub height, you know, it’s, it’s, they’re approaching one another. Uh, 7.2 would be a big term in the United States.
GE is only offering what a 6.1 at the moment is kind of where they stopped. This one makes sense
Joel Saxum: that they’re putting it in Germany though, because Germany classically, right, they’re a little bit more land constrained for turbine locations, right. It’s not like the United States where you drive across Iowa and you’re just like, boom, boom.
There’s a hundred turbines there and a hundred turbines there. Um, they’ve gotta pay a little bit more attention to, they’ve got a lot of little smaller towns in places and different local laws. Uh, so you’d see smaller, I imp smaller wind farms. And I think what you’ll start to see here is, is [00:24:00] as those wind farms have that interconnect and they’re good to go, but they’re getting aged out, you’ll see one of these turbines replace, you know, 2, 3, 4 of the old ones.
Uh, is, is what I could see in some of those European. Places as well.
Allen Hall: Is there a broader market for a seven megawatt machine? I think so. Um, I guess I’m asking is there’s a lot of low wind areas that tends to be what’s left. All the prime locations with medium high wind are already taking. So if you want to hit somewhere and put a lot of turbines up, you have to be low to medium.
Speed is, it’s a question of the hub height. The 175 meter hub height is. Big.
Phil Totaro: Yeah. And the, the challenge with that is that, uh, I think Rosie mentioned it last week or two weeks ago, about when people build wind farms, they interconnect them to the closest, uh, available transmission. Certainly, you know, that’s what they’ve done in Australia.
That’s what we did in the United States as well. Um, and. [00:25:00] You’re necessarily going to build out everything you can in what we used to call kind of IEC class one winds. That’s the highest, you know, average wind speed about 10 meters a second. Once you’ve kind of fully penetrated those sites that are in close proximity to transmission, you start stepping down, you know, your average wind speed, and then that’s why you need to increase the, the power density.
And basically for a given, you know, nameplate capacity of the turbine, you’re, you’re making a bigger and bigger rotor all the time and a higher and higher hub height. Um, so where is the market for this besides, you know, Scandinavia and Germany and a few places in eastern Europe? Australia is the big market.
Chile, Argentina. If Brazil decides to come back as a market, that will be a market for these as well. Um, it’s basically places where they still have wide open country and they’re not gonna be land constrained. Now, theoretically, in the United States, we’re not land constrained, but. We, uh, you know, you’re only gonna [00:26:00] be able to put these in specific places where you don’t have FAA interference or, you know, you, a lot of counties and townships now have, you know, tip clearances from, you know, adjacent dwellings that are gonna preclude you from using anything this big in this market.
It’s one of the challenges that a company like Weg, who also has a seven megawatt turbine, they’re trying to sell it in the United States and, you know, it hasn’t been, unfortunately for them going. Uh, very fast because there’s only a handful of sites where they can kind of put that thing and, and repower those, um, you know, these type of smaller projects with something this, you know, this massive.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. And I think that equation is changing a bit recently. Like, um, like you said, you know, you start out in high wind speed sites that are near transmission and then kind of go down. I think what counts as near transmission is sort of. Changing because it’s harder. I think everybody around the world is finding it hard to build out even small bits of new transmission that they [00:27:00] need now compared to what we thought that it would be like a few years ago.
So I know in Australia our grid operator is explicitly, um, trying to move away from having to rely on that. So that means, yeah, building out more renewables in or close to urban areas. And, um, yeah, part of that, especially for wind, is gonna mean accepting a, a lower quality resource, which is, you know, the cost of energy from the, a lower, a lower speed wind site is gonna be higher than an equivalent, you know, higher speed one.
Um, Australia is definitely, like, when I talk to developers, onshore developers, they definitely are largely thinking bigger, bigger, bigger turbines for onshore still. So there’s an appetite for it. Um, I do question, you know, to what extent it makes sense.
Allen Hall: And the question I always have is, how many turbines do you have to sell early on to make the project profitable?
Rosemary Barnes: Oh, I don’t think the early sales are [00:28:00] gonna make it profitable or not, but, um, definitely most of the. OEMs like to have a large initial customer or a few before they start developing something.
Something that’s quite new. Unless they’re, you know, like really certain that it’s gonna be their new workhorse platform. Um, you know, if it’s a bit niche, they definitely want some, um, advanced sales to cover the cost of development. At the very least.
Joel Saxum: I think, I think Phil, one time, a long time ago you said it would be roughly cost like a billion dollars when you go from a brand new turbine model.
Now this is Inventus platform, so this platform has been done before.
Phil Totaro: That was for offshore. We, we have run numbers in the past on, um, exactly this kind of profitability question, like how many units do you have to produce of each make and model for the OEMs, which is actually why when, when Siemens Gmaa merged, their numbers looked so.
Weird that we were like, this can’t be true. But it’s exactly predicted [00:29:00]why they ran into the profitability problems that they did even prior to trying to sell the, the four megawatt platform. Um, we kind of held back from publicly announcing that because we thought we were wrong and I should have, you know, insisted that we do it because it, it would’ve really shed a lot of light on, on what was really going on over there.
But anyway, in the meantime, it’s, it’s roughly for like a. Two to 2.53 megawatt turbine. It was about 350 units as you go scale up nameplate capacity, it starts coming down. Um. You know, in, in the number of units you need to sell, but it’s still roughly around, um, let’s say, you know, six to 800 megawatts worth of capacity needs to be sold just to break even.
Um, and that’s assuming, ’cause again, back in the day when we did the calculation, they were still having like a 12% margin. They’re not getting that anymore. It’s maybe like two to 5% now. So let’s say conservatively, it’s probably [00:30:00] about 1.2 gigawatts worth of capacity needs to be sold for them to just.
Break even. And, uh, you need, you know, really to turn a, a serious profit to get, you know, executives interested. Probably about two gigawatts worth of sales. So this week’s Wind Farm of the Week is
Joel Saxum: the Coyote Wind Farm. This is an EDF Wind Farm in Scurry County, Texas. So it’s 243 megawatts. And we’re, we’re switching gears and gonna talk about the SGRE.
4.5 megawatt, 1 45 turbine. On this one there’s 59 turbines. So they’re big turbines, right? Big turbines in the United States. More power with less footprint. An interesting thing here is, uh, at the time this thing was put in, that was some of the first, uh, installations of the SGRE 1 45. Uh, in the states and Masar, uh, owns 50% of this thing with, uh, EDF.
So you have 50% EDF, 50% masar. EDF runs the wind farm of course, for them. Uh, but Masar money coming from overseas, coming from the Middle East. Um, so, and that was [00:31:00] one of their first to four raise into the United States as well. Um, this wind farm can generate, uh, enough power to sufficiently supply about 65,000 households, which is really interesting.
Uh, and again, we always wanna focus on community engagement. Here we’re talking Wind Farm of the Week. Uh, what they did when they built this wind farm, uh, was to make sure that they engage with the local stakeholders they had meeting after meeting, after meeting edfs and the team out there, uh, talking with the locals, and they got, uh, everybody to buy into this one locally.
And there’s a really cool, and what I wanna focus on here is there’s a really cool, uh, YouTube video. So if you’re on YouTube, uh, spending some time at work or, or at home. Uh, just look at the Coyote Wind Project, uh, from EDF and they have a video there about how they showcase this thing locally, uh, and how they work with the local government.
So the Wind Farm of the week this week is the Coyote Wind Farm from EDF.
Allen Hall: Thanks for that Joel and Rosemary, Phil and Joel and I, we’ll be back next week from the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. [00:32:00] Everybody keep their heads up. There’s a lot happening in wind at the moment. Uh, it’s gonna change, it’s gonna get better.
We just need to focus on profitability. That’s what we really need to do right now. And I, I, I get everybody is frustrated and they should be, uh, but not everything’s locked in, in the United States. Things are headed. At least it smells like things gonna be headed in a little bit of a better space over the next couple of weeks.
So let’s see what happens and we’ll see you here. Next week on the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast.
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Rosemary reports back on her visit to multiple Chinese renewable energy companies, Vineyard Wind activates a $69.50/MWh PPA with Massachusetts utilities, and Bronze Age jewelry halts a German wind project.
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Allen Hall 2025: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. I’m your host, Allen Hall. I’m here with Yolanda Padron in Austin, Texas, who is back from the massive wedding event. Everybody’s super happy about that, and Rosemary Barnes had her own adventures. She just got back from China and Rosemary. You visited a a lot of different places inside of China.
Saw some cool factories. What all happened?
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, it was really cool. I went over for an influencer event. So if you are maybe, you know, in the middle of your career, not, not particularly attractive or anything you might have thought influencer was ruled out for you as a career. No one, no one needs engineering influencers in their [00:01:00] forties.
It’s incorrect. It turns out that’s, that’s where, that’s where I, I found myself. It was pretty cool. I, I did get the red carpet rolled out for me. Many gifts. I had to buy a second bag to bring home the gifts, and when I say I had to buy a second bag, I had to mention. Oh, I have so many gifts, I’m gonna need another bag.
And then there was a new bag presented to me about half an hour later. But, so yeah, what did I do? I got to, um, as I was over there for a Sun Grow event. Huge, huge event. They, um, it’s for, it’s for their staff a lot, but it’s also, they also bring over partners. They also bring over international experts to talk about topics that are relevant to them.
Yeah. They gave everybody factory tours in, um, yeah, in, in shifts. Um, I got to see a module assembly factory, so where they take cells, which are like, I don’t know, the size of a small cereal box, um, and assemble them into a whole module. Then the warehouse, warehouse was [00:02:00] gigantic. It, um, was, yeah, 1.8 gigawatt hours worth of cells that couldn’t hold in that one building.
They’re totally obsessed with fire safety there in everything related to batterie, like in the design of the product, but also in, in the warehouse. And they do, yeah, fire drills all the, all the time. Some of them quite big and impressive. Um, I saw inverter manufacturing facility that was really cool.
Heaps of robots. Sw incredibly fast. Saw a test facility.
Allen Hall 2025: So was most of the manufacturing, robotics, or humans?
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. So at the factory it was like anything that needed to be done really fast or with really good quality was done by robots. So they had, um, you know, pick and place machines putting in. Um, you know, components in the circuit board, like just insane, insane rate.
I’m sure it’s quite, quite normal, but, um, just very fast. Everything lined up in a row. Most of their quality control is done by robots. Um, so it does well it’s done by ai, I should say. [00:03:00] Taking photos of, of things and then, um, AI’s interpreting that. Repairs, I think were done by humans. There were humans doing, um, like custom components as well.
Like not every product is exactly the same. So the custom stuff was done by humans.
Allen H: So that’s the Sun Grove facility, right? You, but you went to a couple of different places within China?
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, I went to another, a factory, a solar panel, a factory, um, from Longie. That was really cool too. I got to see a bit more probably of the, um, interesting, interesting stuff there, like, uh, a bit more.
Um, yeah, I don’t, I dunno, processes that aren’t, aren’t so obvious. Not just assembly, but um, you know, like printing on, um, bus bars and, you know, all of the different connections and yeah, it was a bit, a bit more to it in what I saw. Um, so that was, but it, it’s the same, you know, as humans are only involved when it’s a little bit out of the.
Norm or, um, where they’re doing repairs, actual actually re [00:04:00]repairing. You know, the robots or the AI is identifying which components don’t meet the standard and then they’ll go somewhere where a human will come and, um, fix them.
Allen H: Being the engineer there. Did you notice where the robots are made? Was everything made in China that was inside the factory or were they bringing in outside?
Technology.
Rosemary Barnes: I didn’t think to look for that, but I would assume that it was Chinese made, also
Allen H: all built in country
Rosemary Barnes: 20 years ago that wouldn’t have been the case, but I think that China has had a long, a long time to, to learn that. Again, it’s not like, it’s not, it’s not rocket science. These are, these are pick and place machines, you know, like I remember working on a project very early in my career, so.
Literally 20 years ago, um, I was working with pick and place machines. It’s the same, it’s the same thing. Um, some of them are bigger ’cause they’re, you know, hauling whole, um, battery packs around. It’s just the, um, the way that it’s set up, but then also the scale that they can achieve. You just, you can’t make things that cheap if you don’t have the [00:05:00] scale to utilize everything.
A hundred percent. Like I said, wind turbine towers is a really good example. ’cause anyone, any steel fabricating
Allen H: shop
Rosemary Barnes: could make a wind turbine tower. Right? They, they could, they could do that. You know, the Chinese, um, wind turbine tower factories have the exact right machine. They don’t have a welder that they also use for welding bits of bridges or whatever.
Uh, they have the one that does the exact kind of world that they need, um, for the tower. They, you know, they do that precisely. Robotically, uh, exactly the same. And, you know, a, a tower section comes on, they weld it, it moves off to the next thing, and then a new one comes on. They’re not trying to move things around to then do another weld in the same machine.
You know, like they’re, um, but the exact right. Super expensive machine for the job costs a whole bunch to set up a factory. And then you need to be making multiple towers every single day out of that factory to be able to recoup on your cost. And so that is [00:06:00] the. The, um, bar that is just incredibly hard slash impossible for, um, other countries to clear.
Allen H: Can I ask you about that? Because I was watching a YouTube video about Tesla early on Tesla, where they wanted to bring in a lot of robotics to make vehicles and that they felt like that was the wrong thing to do. In fact, they, they, they kinda locked robots in and realized that this is not the right way to do it.
We need to change the whole process. It was a big deal to kind of pull those. Specialized piece of equipment, robots out and to put something else in its place in that they learned, you know, the first time, instead of deciding on a process, putting it in place and then trying to turn it on, see if it works, was to sort of gradually do it.
But don’t bolt anything down. Don’t lock it in place such that it doesn’t feel like it’s permanent. So you engineer can think about removing it if it’s not working. But it sounds like this is sort of the opposite approach of. A highly specialized [00:07:00] machine set in place permanently to produce. Infinite amounts of this particular product, does that then restrict future changes and what they can make or, I, I, how do they see that?
Did, did you talk about that? Because I think that’s one of an interesting approaches.
Rosemary Barnes: I didn’t actually get as much chances I would’ve liked to speak to engineers. Um, I was talking mostly to salespeople and installers. Um, so they know a lot, but I couldn’t, um, like in the factory tours, I was asking questions.
Um. That kind of question and, and they could answer all, all that. Um, but outside of that, and I couldn’t record in the factory obviously. Um, but I did, I did take notes, but what I would say is that they would have a separate facility where they would be working out the details of new products and new manufacturing processes and testing them out thoroughly before they went and, you know, um, installed everything correctly.
But what I do hear is that, you know, especially with solar power. Maybe to [00:08:00] batteries to a lesser extent. You, you know, you like, you have these kind of waves of technology. Um, so you know, like everyone’s making whatever certain type of solar cell and then five years later, um, there’s a new more efficient configuration and everybody’s making that.
And I know that there are a lot of factories that kind of get scrapped. Um, and the way that China’s set up their, like, you know, their economy around all this sort of thing is set up is that it’s not that, like every company doesn’t succeed. Right. They SGO was a big exception because they’ve been going since 1997, I think it was.
It was started by a professor quid his job and hired a room across the, across the road from his old university and, you know, built his first inverter and, um, you know, ’cause he, he could see that. Uh, the grid was gonna have to change to incorporate all of the solar power that was coming, which to be honest, in 1997, that was like pretty, pretty farsighted.
That was not obvious to me when I started working in solar in mid two thousands. And it was not obvious to me that this was a winner.
Allen H: Well, has sun grow evolved then quite a bit? ’cause if you’re [00:09:00] saying that they’ve minimized the cost to produce any of their products by the use of robotics, they have been through an evolutionary process.
You didn’t see any of the previous generations of. Factories. You, you were just seeing the most modern factory that that’s actually producing parts today. So is that a, is that a, is that just a cost mindset that’s going on in China? Like, we’re just gonna produce the lowest cost thing as fast as we can, or is it a market penetration approach?
What are, what were, were the engineers in management saying about that?
Rosemary Barnes: I think there’s a few different aspects to that, like within China. So Sun Grow is the big company with a long track record and they’re not making the cheapest product out of China. So I think that they are still trying to make the cheapest product, but they’re not thinking about it just in the purchase price.
Right. They’re thinking more in terms of the long, long term. You know, they’ve been around for 30 years and probably expect to be around for another 30 years. They don’t wanna be having [00:10:00] recalls of their products and you know, like having to, um. Installers in particular are probably working with them because they know that they won’t have to go back and do rework and the support is good and all that sort of thing.
So they’re spending so much money on testing and you know, just getting everything exactly right. But I don’t think that that’s the only way that China is doing it. There’s, you know, dozens, probably hundreds of companies. Um. Doing similar stuff between Yeah, like solar panels and associated stuff like inverters and, and batteries.
So many companies and all of them won’t succeed. You know, sun Girls Facility in, I was in her and it’s huge, you know, it’s like a, a medium sized country town. Just their, um, their campus there, they’re not, they’re not scrapping that and moving to a new site, you know, they’re gonna be. Rejiggering and I would expect that, you know, like everything’s set up exactly the way it needs to be, but it’s not like gigantic machines.[00:11:00]
It’s not like setting up a wind turbine blade factory where it’s hard if you designed it for 40 meter blades, you can’t suddenly start making 120 meter blades. Like it’s, they will be able to be sliding machines in and out as they need to. Um, so I, I, yeah, I guess that it’s some, some flexibility. But not at the cost of making the product correctly.
Allen H: Did you see wind turbines while you were in China?
Rosemary Barnes: I, the only winter I saw, I actually, I saw, because I caught the train from Shanghai, I actually caught the fast train from Shanghai to, which is about, it depends which one you get between like an hour 40 or three hours if it stops everywhere. Um, and I did see a couple of wind turbines on the way there, out the window, just randomly like a wind turbine in the middle of a, a town.
Um, so that was a bit, a bit interesting. But then in the plane, on the way back, the plane from Shanghai to Hong Kong, I, at the window I saw a cooling tower of some sort. So either like a, yeah, some kind of thermal [00:12:00] power plant. And then. Around all around, well, wind turbines, so onshore wind turbines. So I don’t know.
Um, yeah, I, I don’t know the story behind that, but it’s also not a particularly windy area, right? Like most of the wind in China is, um, to the west where, uh, I wasn’t
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Offshore wind leases, uh, [00:13:00] Bluepoint wind and Golden State wind have agreed to walk away from their projects. Global Infrastructure Partners, which is part of BlackRock, will invest up to $765 million in a liquified natural gas facility instead of developing blue point wind. Ah. And Golden State Wind will recover approximately $120 million in lease fees after redirecting investment to oil and gas projects along the Gulf Coast, and both companies say they will not pursue further offshore wind development in the United States.
Well, we’ll see how that plays out. Right? Meanwhile. In Massachusetts Vineyard Wind, which has been fighting with GE Renova recently has activated its long awaited power purchase agreement with three utilities. The contract set a fixed electricity price of drum roll please. [00:14:00] $69 and 50 cents per megawatt hour for the first year and a two and a half percent annual increase.
Uh, state officials say the agreements will save rate payers $1.4 billion over 20 years. So $69 and 50 cents per megawatt hour is a really low PPA price for offshore wind. A lot of the New York projects that. Renegotiated we’re somewhere in the realm of 120 to $130 a megawatt hour, and there’s been a lot of discussion in Congress about the, the usefulness of offshore wind.
It’s intermittent blahdi, blahdi, blah. Uh, but the, the big driver is what costs too much. In fact, it doesn’t cost too much. And because it’s consistent, particularly in the wintertime, uh, electricity prices in Massachusetts in the surrounding area are really high. ’cause of the demand and ’cause how cold it is that this offshore wind project, vineyard wind would be a huge rate saving.
And [00:15:00] actually the math works out the math. Math everybody. Do you think this is, when we go back five years from now, look back at this. This vineyard wind project really makes sense for Massachusetts.
Yolanda Padron: I think it really makes sense for Massachusetts. I’m really interested to know what the asset managers are thinking on the vineyard wind side, um, and if they’re scared at all to take this on.
I mean, it’s great and I’m sure they can absolutely deliver. Like generation I don’t think should be an issue. Um. I just don’t know. It’s, it sounds like they’re leaving a lot of money on the table.
Allen H: I would say so, yeah. But remember, the vineyard win was one of the early, uh, agreements made when things were, this is pre Ukraine war, pre Iran conflict on a lot of other, a lot of other things.
It was pre, so I remember at the time when this was going on that. P. PA prices were higher than obviously a lot of other [00:16:00] things. Onshore solar, onshore wind, it would, offshore is always more expensive, but I don’t remember $69 popping up anywhere in any filing that I remember seeing. So even if they had said $69 five years ago, I think that would’ve still been like, wow, that’s pretty good for an offshore wind project.
And now it looks fantastic for the state of Massachusetts
Yolanda Padron: because I know that there’s sometimes, and we’ve talked about this in the past, right? There are sometimes projects where, you know, you think you, you’ve got a really good price and you’re really excited about it, and then it goes into operation and then like a couple years down the road, prices increase quite a bit and it’s not the worst thing in the world.
But you do just kind of think a little bit like, I wish I could. Renegotiate this or you know, just to get, to get our team a bit of a better deal or to get a bit more money in operations and everything.
Allen H: Does this play into Vineyard wind claiming $850 [00:17:00] million in dispute with GE Renova that at $69 PPA, there’s not a lot of profit at the end of this and need to get the money out of GE Renova right now, and maybe why GE Renova wants to get out of this because they realize.
The conflict that is coming that they need to separate the, the themselves from this project. It’s, it’s very, as an asset manager, Yoland, as you have done this in the past, would you be concerned about the viability of the project going forward, or is all the upfront costs. Pretty much done in that operationally year to year.
It’s, it’s not that big of a deal.
Yolanda Padron: As an asset manager taking this on, I’d probably have started preparation on this project a lot earlier than other of my projects like I do. I know that usually there’s, you know, we’ve talked about the different teams, right, throughout the stages of the project until it goes into operations, [00:18:00] but.
And usually you don’t have a lot of time to prepare to, to make sure all of your i’s are dotted and t’s are crossed, um, by the time you take the project and operations from a commercial standpoint. But this project, I think would absolutely, like you, you would need to make sure that a lot of the, of the things that you’re, that might be issues for some of your projects like aren’t issues for this project.
Just to make sure at least the first few years you can. You can avoid a lot of, a lot of turmoil that the pricing and the disputes and the technical issues are gonna cause you, because I feel like it’s just, there’s, there’s just so many things that just keep this side, just keeps on getting hit, you know?
Allen H: Well, I, I guess the question is from my side, Yolanda, is obviously inflation, when this project started was pretty consistent, like one point half, 2%. It was very flat for a long time. And interest rates, if you remember when this project started, were very, very low. Almost [00:19:00] nonexistent, some interest rates.
Now that’s hugely different. How does a contract get set up where a vineyard can’t raise prices? It would just seem to me like you would have to tie some of the price increase to whatever the inflation rate is for the country, maybe even locally, so that if there were a, a war in Ukraine or some conflict in the Middle East.
That you, you would at least be able to, to generate some revenue out of this project because at some point it becomes untenable, right? You just can’t afford to operate it anymore. And,
Yolanda Padron: and I think, um, I, I haven’t, I obviously haven’t read the, the contracts themselves, but I know that there’s sometimes there, it’s pretty common for a PPA to have some sort of step up year by year.
And it’s usually, it can be tied to, um, the CPI for. Like the, the change in CPI for the year to year. So you’re [00:20:00] absolutely like, right, like maybe, I mean, hopefully they’re, they’re not just tied to the fixed 69 bucks per megawatt hour. Um, but, but yeah, to, to your point like that, that price increase could, could really save them.
Now that we’re, we’re talking the, the increase in, in inflation right now and foreseeable future,
Allen H: if you think about what electricity rates are up in the northeast. I think I was paying 30 cents a kilowatt hour, which is 300. Does that sound right? $300 a megawatt hour. Delivered at the house, something like that.
Right? So
Yolanda Padron: prices in the northeast are crazy to me,
Allen H: right? They’re like double what they are in North Carolina. Yeah.
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Allen H: Well, sometimes building a wind farm turns out more than expected construction workers at a 19 turbine wind project in lower Saxony Germany under Earth. What experts call the largest Bronze age Amber Horde ever found? The region, the very first scoop of an excavator brought up bronze and amber artifacts that stopped construction and brought archeologists back to the site.
Uh, the hoard has been dated between [00:22:00] 1500 and 1300 DCE and is believed to have belonged to at least three. Status women possibly buried as a religious offering. Now as we push further and further across Germany with wind turbines and solar panels for, for that matter, uh, we’re coming across older sites, uh, older pieces of ground that haven’t been touched in a long time and we’re, we’re gonna find more and more, uh, historically significant things buried in the soil.
What is the obligation? Of the constructor of this project and maybe across Europe. I, I would assume in the United States too, if we came across something that old and America’s just not that old to, to have anything of, of that kind of, um, maybe value or historically significant. What is the process here?
Rosemary Barnes: I assume that they’ve gotta stop, stop work. Um, yeah, that’s my, my understanding and I don’t think, do you have [00:23:00] grand designs in America?
Allen H: I don’t know what that is. Yes.
Rosemary Barnes: So missing out by not having that chat. It’s a TV show about people who are building houses or doing, um, ambitious renovations, and it just, it follows, it follows them.
You can learn a lot about project management or. The consequences if you decide that you don’t need to, project management isn’t a thing that you need to do. Um, anyway. I’m sure that in some of those ones I’ve seen they have had work stop because in their excavation they found a, um, yeah, some, some kind of relic, um, from the, from the past.
So based on that very well-credentialed experience that I have, I can confidently say that they would be stopping stopping work on that site. I mean, it’s so bad, bad for the developer, I guess, but it’s cool, right? That they’re, you know, uncovering, uh, new archeology and we can learn more about, you know, people that lived thousands of years ago.
Allen H: It, it does seem [00:24:00] like, obviously. Do push into places where humans have lived for thousands of years. We’re going to stumble across these things. Does that mean from a project standpoint, there’s, there’s some sort of financial consequence, like does the lower Saxony government contribute to the wind turbine fund to to pay the workers for a while?
’cause it seems like if they’re gonna do an archeological dig. That that’s gonna take months at a minimum, may, maybe not, but it usually, having watched these things go on it, it’s. It’s long.
Rosemary Barnes: But wouldn’t that be something that you’d have insurance for?
Allen H: Oh, maybe that’s it.
Rosemary Barnes: You know, it seems to me like an insurable, an insurable thing, like not so hard to, it would’ve affected plenty of other, like any project that involves excavation in Europe would come with a risk of, um, finding Yeah.
An archeological find. And having work stopped, I would assume.
Allen H: Yolanda, how does that work in the United States do, is there some insurance policy towards finding [00:25:00] a. Ancient burial ground and what happens to your project?
Yolanda Padron: I don’t know. I, um, the most I’ve heard has been, it’s just talking to like the government and like the local government and making sure that you have all your permits in place and making sure, you know, you might need to, to have certain studies so you know, you might not have to get rid of the whole wind farm or remove the hole wind farm, but at least a section.
Of it has to be displaced from what you originally had thought. I don’t know. I know it happens a lot in Mexico where you get a lot of changes to construction plans because you find historical artifacts or obviously not everybody does this, but like. Tales of construction workers who will like, find, they’re so jaded from finding historical artifacts that they just kind of like take and then dump them to the next plot over to not deal with it right now.
Not that it’s anything ethical, uh, or done by everybody, [00:26:00] uh, but it’s, but, but it’s a common occurrence, a relatively common occurrence.
Allen H: You would think it where a lot of wind turbines are in the United States, which is mostly Texas and kind of that. Midwest, uh, wind corridor that they would’ve stumbled across something somewhere.
But I did just a quick search. I really hadn’t found anything that there wasn’t like a Native American burial ground or something of that sort, which they previously knew. For the most part. It’s, so, it’s rare that, that you find something significant besides, well, maybe used some woolly mammoths tusks or something of that sort.
Uh, in the Midwest, it’s, it’s, so, it’s an odd thing, but is there a. A finder’s fee? Like do does the wind company get to take some of the proceeds of, of this? Trove of jewelry.
Rosemary Barnes: I, I would be highly surprised.
Allen H: Well, how does that work then? Rosemary?
Rosemary Barnes: I’d be highly surprised if that’s the case in Europe. I bet it would happen like that in America.
Allen H: Sounds like pirate bounty in a sense.
Rosemary Barnes: In, in Australia it wouldn’t be like that because [00:27:00]you, when you own land, you don’t actually. You, you own the right to do things from surface level and above, basically. I don’t know how excavation works. So you don’t generally have a a right to anything you find like that?
I mean, you shouldn’t either. It’s not, it’s not yours. It’s a, it belongs to the, I don’t know, the people that, that were buried. When you then to the, the land, like, I guess. The government in some way. I mean, in Australia it’s, um, like we don’t have so many archeological fines that you would find from digging.
I mean, it’s not that there’s none, but there’s not so many like that. But it is pretty common that, you know, there are special trees, um, you know, some old trees that predate, uh, white people arriving in Australia. And, um, you know, that have been used for, you know, like it might have a, a shield that’s been, um.
Carved out of it. Or, uh, hunting. Hunting things, ceremonial things, baskets, canoes, canoe like things, stuff like that. They call ’em a scar [00:28:00] tree ’cause they would cut it out of a living, living tree. And you know, so when you see a tree with those scars and that’s got, um, cultural significance. There’s also, you know, just trees that were, um.
That that was significant for cultural reasons and so you wouldn’t be able to cut down those trees if you were building any, doing any kind of development in Australia and a wind farm would be no different. I know that they are, there are guidelines for, if you do come across any kind of thing like that or you find any anything of cultural significance, then you have to report it and hopefully you don’t just move it onto the neighboring property.
Allen H: I know one of the things about watching, um. Some crazy Canadian shows is that. Uh, you have to have a Treasure Hunter’s license in Canada. So if you’re involved in that process, like you can’t dig, you can’t shovel things, only certain people can shovel. ’cause if they were to find something of value, you.
You’ll get taxed on it. So there’s just a lot of rules [00:29:00] about it. Even in Canada,
Rosemary Barnes: if I was an indigenous Australian and you know, some Europe person of European descent came and found some artifacts, uh, aboriginal. Artifacts. I would be pissed if they just took it and sold it. Like that’s just clearly inappropriate right.
To, to do that. So you, I don’t think it should be a free for all. If you find artifacts of cultural significance and you just, it’s, you find its keepers that, that doesn’t sound right to me at all.
Allen H: Can we talk about King Charles II’s visit to the United States for a brief moment?
Uh, he is a really good ambassador, just like, uh, the queen was forever. He’s, he does take it very seriously and the way that he interacted with the US delegation was remarkable at times in, in terms of knowing how to deal with somebody that there’s a war going on right now. So there’s a lot [00:30:00] happening in the United States that, uh, not only could it be.
Uh, respecting both sides of the UK and the United States’ position in a, in a number of different areas, but at the same time being humorous, trying to build bridges. Uh, king Charles, uh, had the scotch whiskey tariffs removed just by negotiating with President Trump, and sometimes that’s what it takes.
It’s a little bit of, uh. Being a good ambassador.
Allen H: Yeah. The very polished you would expect that. Right? But this is the first visit of. The king to the United States, I believe. ’cause he, he’s been obviously as a prince many, many, many times to the United States. [00:31:00]But this time as, as a, the representative of the country, the former representative or head of the country, which was unique.
I think he did a really good job. And I wish he, they would’ve talked about offshore wind. Maybe he could’ve calmed down the administration on offshore wind.
Rosemary Barnes: I bet that’s one of the, the goals. I mean, that’s an industry that’s important to. So
Allen H: I wonder if that happened actually. ’cause that’s not gonna be reported in, in the news, but how the UK is going on its own way in terms of electrification and I guarantee offshore wind had to come up it.
Although I have been not seen any article about it, I, I find it hard to believe that King Charles being the environmentalist that he is, and a proponent of offshore wind for a long time. Didn’t bring it up and try to mend some fences.
Rosemary Barnes: Maybe he’s playing the long game though. I mean, Trump is pretty, he’s transactional, but he also, you know, he has people that he really likes and you know, will act in their interests.
So maybe it’s enough to just be [00:32:00] really liked by Trump, and then that’s the smartest way you can go about it.
Allen H: Did you see the gift that King Charles presented to, uh, the US this past week?
It was a be from, uh, world War II submarine, which was the British, I dunno what the British called their submarines, but it was, the name of it was Trump. So they had the bell from. The submarine when it had been commissioned and they, they gave that to the United States, or give to the president. It goes to the United States.
The president doesn’t get to keep those things, but it was such a smart, it’s a great president. It’s such a smart gift, and somebody had to think about it and the king had to deliver it in a way that got rid of all the noise between the United States and the uk. Brought it back to, Hey, we have a lot in common [00:33:00] here.
We shouldn’t be bickering as much as we are. And I thought that was a really smart, tactful, sensible way to try to men some fences. That was really good. That wraps up another episode of the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. If today’s discussion sparked any questions or ideas, we’d love to hear from you. Reach out to us on LinkedIn.
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