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Allen Hall: Our next SkySpecs webinar, if you missed the last one, about lightning protection and how to use SkySpecs, drone imaging and data, and the EOLOGIX-PING Lightning sensor to help yourself on the lightning side. You can actually watch that on the SkySpecs. Just go to SkySpecs and you can see that webinar.
It’s free. All this stuff is free. It’s all great stuff. All you need to do is register. You can get all this information. The next one is coming up on June 25th, 11:00 AM Eastern Time. And this next, webinar is gonna have Liam McGrath from RWE, who’s a blade engineer there, and Tom Brady from SkySpecs, who handles all the cool drone technologies.
So if you haven’t met Tom, you need to go to this webinar and find out what’s going on. And Michael McQueenie from SkySpecs. It’s the rule. Subject is when should you be scheduling your drone inspections and you shouldn’t be doing it in the spring. That’s really important. If you wanna save some money on your operational aspects, your [00:01:00] o and m budget, you need to be thinking about how to get your inspections done, when to get your inspections done, and what tools are available to you at different times a year.
So there’s optimal times to get your drones inspected and there’s suboptimal times. Suboptimal times is like March. Don’t do it, then do it the previous fall. and so Joel will be there. I will be there. Don’t miss it. It is June 25th. 11:00 AM and you can sign up in the show notes below.
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Allen Hall: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. I have Joel Saxo along and Rosemary Barnes from Australia and I’ve. Just been digging through all the news over the last several days.
Really disappointing news to the United States, but over [00:02:00] in China. TRRC has unveiled a 20 megawatt floating wind turbine, and it’s, has a rotor diameter of 260 meters, which is not really outrageous. The CRRC press release, which is a little outrageous, let, me read you some of this, and it’s called The Key Hung.
wind turbine, the key Hung, integrates multiple innovative control technologies offering four core advantages. High intelligence system, modularization, full chain collaboration. And Joel, don’t we all want that? And exceptional stability. It incorporates various intelligent controls, sensing and detection technologies that design further enhances the unit’s flexibility and efficiency by modularizing key system interfaces and structural components.
So there are a lot of words in this press release, but they don’t say, actually say anything at all. So that’s why we have Rosemary here to suss
Joel Saxum: out.
Allen Hall: What is happening with CRRC and a [00:03:00] 20 megawatt floating turbine? Is it really needed, Rosemary?
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, I think I’ve made my thoughts clear about the, like bigger, kind of pursuit of, offshore wind turbines.
And I think that a lot of it is about prestige to be the, first with the biggest. and so I guess that this is the, first with the biggest, floating offshore wind turbine. I, yeah, I don’t think that we’re really ready for, that with floating offshore wind. Floating offshore wind is still in the period where we’re trying to figure out what are the really important design requirements.
How are we gonna deal with some special, issues that floating offshore wind finds. So if you combine all of that with floating offshore wind, or there’s all the, like the, yeah, the floating platform, the mooring mechanisms, control systems, any weird aerodynamics that are happening because of slight tilting or whatever.
There’s all that sort of stuff. It’s still being, learned about. [00:04:00] And at the same time, you’re gonna combine that with all of the really huge blade, really huge turbine problems. I, think that. It’s a little bit crazy if this is intended as, being a commercial offering, it’s probably not, it’s probably a learning exercise and a publicity exercise more than that.
And, maybe from that point of view, like if you go into it trying to learn everything that you can about what would happen if we, eventually go this big, then I guess that there’s some value in that. but yeah, I, don’t think that we’re ready for, just rolling out thousands of these off the end of a production line.
Joel Saxum: Yeah, if you, I’m of course not an expert in Chinese maritime, GE geology. Sorry. But, there’s not a whole lot of super deep water right off of the Chinese coast. The Chinese coast is all 200 meters, like in every place that you’d put like a max step in every place that you’d put a wind turbine.
So if this was to be built for a, a [00:05:00] larger. Rollout. Where is it to sell to? Brazil? Oh, Brazil. Sure. Brazil. That would make sense. That could be right. but I don’t think, like if, China has very ambitious wind goals. And of course if you watch the. Any kind of news, you can see them rolling out large wind farms, left and right, onshore, offshore, all kinds of stuff.
But I don’t think they actually need the floating technology to be honest with you. So it might just be a show of force.
Rosemary Barnes: And also depths of 200 meters, that is challenging or maybe that’s, I think that exceeds the current, maximum depth of fixed bottom, you could get there, but it, uses heaps of steel, the fixed, bottom, Yeah, design compared to what we assume that floating is gonna eventually achieve it. It should use less steel. But it’s funny because that’s one constraint that probably China of all countries doesn’t really have because they have this, like glut of, steel in China or they’re winding down with their, their construction.
[00:06:00] industry. So they have an oversupply of steel. a lot of countries are experiencing China, selling their steel, into those countries at really cheap prices as tariffs around the, world, not, just from the us. and in fact, the US tariffs on Chinese steel predate the Trump administration.
yeah, I, think that. Steel is one thing that China doesn’t have a huge short supply of. I would agree with you that this probably isn’t primarily aimed at their own domestic market. It’s probably more to do with the fact that China has dominance in, every, or at least nearly every energy technology at the moment.
And looking forward if floating offshore wind is gonna grow, then they probably wanna maintain, wanna be dominant in that as well. But I think the main markets that you see talked about for floating offshore wind, yeah, South Korea and Japan, some other, places around that area where they don’t [00:07:00] have a lot of good, renewable resources they can exploit.
And then there’s quite a lot of interest in Europe as well, probably as much because they’re just, really aggressive with their, renewable plans in general.
Joel Saxum: Just to highlight the difference between Western countries and how China operates. One of the things they brag about in this press release is the fact that CRCC, the China Railway Construction Corporation, that single entity is saying, we have a complete wind power equipment supply chain, as in we don’t need anybody else.
We’ve got it all solved ourself, and that’s. Very unique ’cause you’re just simply not gonna have that el elsewhere in the world. now can they execute on that? I don’t know. But it’s an interesting, it’s an interesting take
Allen Hall: and talking of offshore, if you haven’t received your latest PES Wind Magazine, the new edition is out and on the cover is hella service, USA, talking about their ambulance service that they’re offering on the east [00:08:00]coast of the United States.
And we were up there a couple of months ago when we met with everybody. Michael to Paul Russo, Dr. Kenneth Williams, who was with Brown University and had done all their ambulance work there. And obviously Sophie Crane. If you don’t know Sophie, you’re missing out. She’s, she’s really good, with, hella service USA, but they’re offering an ambulance service.
And the thing that Joel, that blew our mind when we were there, and if you can read about it in the article, it says there’s essentially two helicopters that service. The northeast of the United States from the US Coast Guard. So if you flip over your kayak in the ocean, rosemary off the, the coast, New Jersey, it may be a while, it may be several hours where someone can, help you and the US Coast Guard is just gonna pick up your carcass and take it and leave it at the front door of the hospital.
They are not skilled to provide any role paramedic services at all [00:09:00]besides just first aid care. but hella service USA is, it’s a completely different model and it’s, it is still shocking. At Rosemary, we were talking about. Australia, how those helicopters everywhere off the coast of Australia.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. any nice day when you could be at the beach in any part of the country, even where I go is the South coast and a lot of people there.
and yeah, you see a helicopter patrolling up and down, checking for any really big sharks, approaching groups of, big groups of people. So definitely we’ve got more than one helicopter for our entire coastline. yeah, it’s, interesting.
Joel Saxum: I think it’s just crazy. Like it’s not something you would think about from, just a general public safety thing.
and or an industrial safety thing, right? Because there’s a whole, there’s a, there’s other stuff going on in the water out there that could be used as okay, I’m gonna switch gears. We’ll go down to the Gulf Coast, F Port Fon out in hoa, [00:10:00]down in Brownsville. Like all of those places that the oil and gas industry has invested in these resources, Boom, that’s there, right? that’s not a problem. it’s a minute phone call. the, it is, however, 180 miles an hour from three minutes from the phone call, you’re gonna be there. And it’s amazing that I would like, I guess I’d like to see the, same thing on the West coast.
What is California, Washington, Oregon, what does their resources look like? ’cause it, just doesn’t make sense to me.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, I know. We send, helicopters over to help with bush fires when you have them as well. But I don’t think that’s the same kind of helicopter because we have special ones that can carry heaps of water and then dump just a, whole, bunch of water on a, fire at once.
Joel Saxum: Like you said, the US Coast Guard, they have what’s their specialty bird called? Allen, the Dolphin. They have those, but yeah, they’re not there to be the world’s paramedic. They’re there for search and rescue.
Allen Hall: Yeah. And when we talked about it with, HEA service USA, it isn’t [00:11:00] the technicians and, my thought was a technician would have a broken limb or something really serious.
It could be as simple as appendicitis or an allergic reaction. Peanuts, a peanut allergy where time matters. And before hella service offered this ambulance service, you could end up taking a CTV and it would take a long time for some of these wind farms to get back. To true, healthcare that can really save your life.
So hea service USA is doing a tremendous job on the East coast and elsewhere. They’re expanding their reach as it seems. if you are, new to PS Wind, you need to download a copy of PS Wind, and you can do it@pswind.com. This issue is full of good information. You need to be reading it if you’re going to stay up.
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Allen Hall: some more bad news for us. Offshore wind is Atlantic Shores, which is a partnership between Shell and EDF renewables. North America has filed to cancel its 1.5 gigawatt offshore wind.
Project off the coast of New Jersey near Atlantic City, the company cited economic challenges including inflation, supply chain disruptions, and the administration’s federal permitting freeze as a primary reasons. Remember, a couple of months ago, the Environmental Protection Agency pulled the project’s air permit, and we talked about that on the podcast.
but it looks like some of these problems are insurmountable, so Shell and [00:13:00] EDF are going to pull the plug. Pulling the plug. Now, Joel doesn’t mean a permanent withdrawal, it just, I think it just means they’re on hold. I’m not a hundred percent sure on that. You still own the lease spot, right? So you still own the plot of ocean.
Joel Saxum: But if you’re going to the, basically the interconnect and saying no, we’re done here. I don’t know. They’re not gonna make it easy to, try to reopen that program. I know EDF laid off a bunch of their offshore people in shell’s, all but closed up their offshore arm. So I don’t see, I can see what, I’ll see if this is my take.
I see Shell and EDF trying to sell this thing, this the lease rights. I don’t know to who, but they’re, gonna take pennies on the dollar for it. But to get something out of it. If
Allen Hall: you think if they waited four years, they have an opportunity to sell it.
Joel Saxum: Maybe the best we’re gonna get is a, maybe. Is that lease, 20?
Is that lease 25 years? What is that lease? Oh, I would assume it’s longer than 25 years. It’d have to [00:14:00] be, but there should be a staged toed construction and then after construction, usually on a federal lease. So I don’t know how long those rights last
Allen Hall: are. Are they still, I guess if they didn’t cancel it, would they still be paying monthly payments to the federal government?
That’s a great question.
Joel Saxum: Or did they pay that in a lump sum?
Allen Hall: yeah. I thought the way the process worked is that they were, they paid the lump sum for the lease, the ability to have a lease, but the lease payments had to be made. And then when the construction started, that ramped up the price of the lease.
Isn’t that how it was laid
Joel Saxum: out? So you get five years and then 25 more. So you have a total of
Allen Hall: 30 years of that spot. So the average tri in life is 20 years. So you still have a couple years to play around here. Maybe that’s what they’re doing.
Joel Saxum: So it says the le the lessee has a period for site assessment, construction and operational planning, and then an operational term of [00:15:00] 25 years.
The initial site assessment period is typically five years, and the lessee must submit progress reports every six months. During this time, after the construction and operations plan is approved, the lessee has an operational term of 25 years.
Allen Hall: So what are our next steps, Joel? Do you think that, It just sits.
Joel Saxum: I think it’s gonna sit, I think it’s gonna sit, it’s gonna sit empty and naked and it’s gonna be a sore spot. there’s, there wasn’t anything out there before. But either way, it’s, economic opportunity that’s on the shelf. I. That’s really sad, right? There’s a lot of jobs from that.
if you went and we went back, if we go back and look at all the things when offshore windows coming, how excited along the East coast, all these governments and agencies and people got about all the jobs coming in, all the economic, stability coming in. All this money that the, supply chain companies that sprout it up and or built facilities or expanding facilities for.
Everything from steel to transport, logistics. [00:16:00] and now it’s just kind of me that’s not a very good American story.
Allen Hall: So moving north a little bit to vineyard wind, vineyard wind has extended its lease of the new Bedford Marine Commerce terminal through June, 2026, suggesting construction delays beyond the original.
2024 Now, 2025 completion date. The, project currently has four turbines sending power to Massachusetts out of the plan, 62 turbines at least, roughly 25 more bar trips are needed to complete construction, not counting the potential trips to remove, blades from, the Canadian factory. The, project has obviously faced some additional challenges lately, but I think.
GE was really hoping to finish that project, I thought this year, but it looks like it’s gonna roll in at least in, at least to early 2026. It’d be my guess. But if they [00:17:00] plan it out to June of 2026, like the, winter months in Massachusetts, south coast of Massachusetts are terrible. so I guess it gives them a couple more, more months to, to clean up at the end, right?
Joel Saxum: Yeah, absolutely. this is a big project, right? And any large capital project is gonna have delays. The delays for this thing have been very public, right? We know when they had stop works, go on up there, we know when they had some blade issues. and then of course having to dismount some blades, send them over to France, I believe it was to get fixed, send back.
yeah. if you follow offshore wind, almost every large project, every offshore wind project has delays, right? They’re usually never on schedule. it’s pretty rare and it’s just the nature of the marine operating environment. Oil and gas projects are the same way. You might, you can get a thing in there, ah, we’ll plan for, 20% weather and then all of a sudden you get two weeks straight of winds where it’s [00:18:00] blowing up the, heat we call, call the heave height, blowing up the waves too high.
You can’t operate. And it is as simple as that. Anybody that works in wind, even onshore, knows that, right? You can have a crane sitting on site for two weeks where you’re sitting there with twiddling your thumbs underneath the crane. ’cause, as soon as eight and a half meters per second of 10 minute average wind speed blows up.
You can’t move the dang thing. and you’re just stuck. So these things happen. They’re looking forward, 2026, so we should be done. Then
Allen Hall: the positive note is that they didn’t shut down the effort early, right? They would say they were gonna abandon it. They’re not gonna abandon it, they’re gonna complete it, which is great.
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Visit eLog [00:19:00] ping.com and take control of your turbine’s health today. I was perusing the patent application database from the US Patent and Trademark Office. And honestly, who doesn’t do that in their spare time. And I noticed that there was a patent application, and that’s where all the cool technology is.
Don’t look for patents, look for patent applications, because that’s the latest and greatest. but there was a patent application from Nordics. For a modular blade assembly system, IEA two piece blade. And this approach, is a little bit different than what we’ve seen on the LM side for a two piece blade.
The LM design is a hole and a pin approach to connecting two pieces together. So it’s a relatively simple system that, that LM pursued. And I don’t wanna speak for Rosie, but I think Rosie thought. Do I really need it? is, wasn’t that the sort of summary of what the LM two piece blade output was?
Rosemary Barnes: Two piece [00:20:00] blades in general? it, it sounds like a very appealing thing because blades are very long, they’re hard to transport. They often require, road closures and choosing route carefully to make sure that you don’t have to, go around any tight corners or anything like that. So it sounds very appealing, but they’re inherently very challenging because.
the, a wind turbine blade is basically like a cantilever beam, and they use composite materials which rely like they’re very strong and stiff for their weight because they’ve got these long fibers and loads are transmitted along in the direction of those fibers. Yeah. So if you make a two piece blade, you necessarily cut, those, all those fibers in half in one, in one place.
so that’s challenging. And then if you try and look for, solutions to that. You want to, you need to be able to make the joint strong enough, but not add so much extra weight. And basically the way that a wind turbine blade is loaded, [00:21:00] it’s quite lightly loaded towards the tip. But then as you get to the root, all of the The moment forces from, the, the outboard section of the blade, they add up. So the biggest loads are at the root of the blade. So basically, if you wanna make your structural problem easier with a two piece blade, you’ll split it close to the tip. But then what’s the point in that? what you would obviously want to do is split it in the middle or thereabouts.
But that means, huge loads have to be transmitted through your pin joint, or whatever kind of joint that you had. And so it’s just inherently very challenging to do that.
Allen Hall: And that’s where the Nordic patent application, takes a different approach than what LM did. They basically have a sleeve design and a bolted design.
A hydraulics are used to pretension this joint. The images are a little unclear to me as an electrical engineer having [00:22:00] never built a two piece blade, but it does sound like they’re trying to address certain, mechanical loads in different ways. So like the, sleeve assembly is there, to react to the bending moments, and then the actual loads are handed through this threaded connection.
And then the pretension gets rid of any sort of fatigue problem, so they preload it. It’s a different approach, but the, I think the, cost benefit, at least from the application, says it will reduce transportation costs from roughly a hundred k, per blade to about 40,000 because you can put on a, basically a standard truck and, move them around, which is always the.
The emphasis on these two piece are now three piece. I guess it could be three pieces, blades from a application standpoint. Rosemary, this is a mechanical joint. It would seem like a lot of mechanical joints have been dealt with, but maybe it’s because it’s such a large [00:23:00] composite structure, this particular kind of mechanical joint have never been conceived of.
Is this something that, that, you have seen before, but it has been set aside for other reasons? Cost reasons.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, I haven’t seen something exactly like this one. If you look at the sketches in the patent application, then you do see a lot of details that are trying to spread loads over a, a wider distance.
So it’s not trying to have, just this one narrow joint where all of the loads need to be transferred. However, there you are adding a whole lot of extra components to, a wind turbine blade and. it is really, it’s very challenging because they’ve got, millions and millions of fatigue cycles that these, blades have to deal with.
really high strain compared to any other kind of, structural component in a, different industry, a different application like this. This is really the hardest, the hardest example of, those kinds of [00:24:00] loading conditions. So it’s still, you’re still definitely going to be, either reducing fatigue performance or adding a, weight penalty and probably both.
so I, yeah, I, doubt that it’s a, perfect solution. Obviously they’ll develop as far as they can. It’s also worth noting that, so they can put it on a normal truck for, what is this, for three megawatt. Roughly turbines. Yeah, it, the blade length isn’t the only thing making transport of blades expensive.
So as you get much bigger than three megawatts, then you start to get a quite a large root diameter. And that is also a, constraint. You then you need to worry about getting under bridges and stuff like that. So it’s not the. It’s not the only thing, and it’s not gonna be like, oh, now we can transport 12 megawatt blades with 12 megawatt turbines on shore easily.
it’s definitely not gonna be that. So
Joel Saxum: are you talking about this root diameter [00:25:00] thing from the latest, Australian newspaper article? We saw
Rosemary Barnes: the one, I think there was a turbine, a tower segment. that got stuck under,
Joel Saxum: stuck under a bridge, I thought. Was that a tower segment? I thought it was the, for some reason I thought it was the root end.
Rosemary Barnes: The report reporting was terrible. it, like it and mentioned you just need to look at it to be like, oh, there’s a door on there. Okay. Yeah, it’s a, tower segment. and probably the bottom one. Yeah. And I, back to the split blade thing and whether it’s worth it, I guess that’s the thing, like it’s a solution to a problem.
Is the problem severe enough that the difficult solution is worth it? That I think is extremely debatable. So in the end, I think with the GE split Blade Cyprus, I don’t think that they sold any additional projects that they wouldn’t have been able to sell without this, split blade. That’s the word on the street.
if it’s true that you can reduce the transport cost by that much, then that would be very interesting. But I personally wouldn’t be rushing to be one of the first [00:26:00] people to get this blade because there’s so, much that can go wrong with it. And it is. Not possible to test, act absolutely every, little quirk of the operating environment.
You, you can’t test that all in the lab adequately to be totally sure that the first ones out in the field are gonna. Be reliable. yeah, I would wanna see, I would wanna be, like turbine 1000 after a few years experience before I, put, placed an order for my own wind farm, I think.
Joel Saxum: Yeah. One of the things that we saw with that existing two place, two piece model out in the field right now, the Cyprus, is that, there’s a couple of things, right?
There’s, the seal hasn’t been sealed quite right, but a lot of it boils down to. The technicians in the field that are putting these things together like they’re Desi, that joint was designed to be put together by high-end engineers in a factory.
Rosemary Barnes: It’s not their, it wasn’t their intention. Certainly everybody knows that you’re not gonna send an engineer around for every single blade that’s gonna be put [00:27:00] together,
Joel Saxum: but they, I’ve talked firsthand at people that are installing ’em in the field and they’re like.
We don’t really know how to put these things together. We’re just doing it.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, it wasn’t an easy, and that term poke yoke, it’s supposed to be poke yoke, that there’s only one way that you can install it. there’s no chance to get it wrong and it didn’t quite achieve that.
and I would suggest that. Yeah, looking at the, complexity in the design in these patents, I don’t think that’s gonna be totally straightforward to, install and, maintain and monitor. ’cause you shouldn’t have to monitor, your, blade to know, oh yeah, these. pins shaking loose and it’s gonna fall apart.
are you getting up there on rope every single year or six months to check the talk? that’s, really, you’re gonna burn through your transportation saving pretty quickly. But, if you have to get extra rope access inspections every year, so yeah, I think interesting.
I’m actually [00:28:00] not, sure if we’re ever going to see the split blade thing fulfill its potential. ’cause I do think that there’s other solutions to. To the transport issue. we already have them, right? They, cost a little bit more. But then, like I, I could imagine more likely that we’re gonna see, on, on site, manufacturing of blades or, thermoplastic blades that get welded together on site.
Or like I, I can see. Other things. Alan’s making airplane wing motions, big airplanes. No way. Come on.
Joel Saxum: Okay, so this week for the Wind Farm of the Week, I may or not, I may, I am gonna get some words wrong here because we’re taking a trip over to the Netherlands. This conversation started with a friend of mine, a friend of the show, Lars Benson, up in Canada, and we were talking about offshore wind in the Great Lakes.
Why not? There’s great wind resource. There is a need for renewable energy in places that can’t get a lot of renewable energies. Say like up [00:29:00] in Lake Superior for Wisconsin, the Univer or the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and other things like that. So we were talking about fresh water, wind farms. Is there any in the world?
What are the challenges they have? Turns out Wind Park Free Salon is the largest freshwater offshore wind farm in the world, and it’s in the Netherlands. so yeah, and it actually has over 380 megawatts in size. I didn’t know this. I didn’t, think any of ’em existed. There’s 89 Siemens Cesa, SWT Direct Drive, one 30 turbine.
So they’re 4.3 megawatts a piece, and they’ve laid ’em out in a hexagonal kind of shape. And this was to ease the, view of the eye and some other things for, the local considerations. And they dove in headfirst, local considerations. They did all kinds of things to make this a. A joint effort between the community and the developers.
one of the cool things they did was a lot of local sourcing local welding firms for making steel platforms, that [00:30:00] brought in other people that will have work for the lifetime of the wind farm, which is great. 720,000 euro per year for 20 years. Environmental fund that’s gonna be built by this wind farm.
another really cool one, a citizen investment. so the Province of Free Salon offered bonds to residents enabling them financial participation in the wind farm, so you could invest in it and take dividends from the wind farm as it produces energy, which I think is a really cool concept. but this one I think is one of the, one of the neatest ones ’cause I haven’t heard of this yet.
despite the initial fears of a tourism decline, the Wind farm has introduced new activities like the Windmill Cup. Which is an annual sailing race through the turbines organized by a local water sport association. Really? Yeah. I didn’t, never heard of any of this. Over in the Netherlands.
Congrats to our friends there for the, largest fresh water offshore wind farm in the world. And we hope we can draw on that over [00:31:00] here in the States. So for the Wind Farm of the Week, wind Park Free salon over from the Netherlands.
Allen Hall: Wow, that’s amazing. Thanks Lars for that tip. That’s really cool. that, that’s gonna do it for this week’s uptime Wind energy podcast.
Rosemary will be back next week, Joel. Are you coming back next week or? I
Joel Saxum: believe so,
Allen Hall: yeah. we’d love to have you. it’s an open invite. You can come and go as you wish, and we’ll see everybody here back next week. and thanks to all the listeners and everybody on YouTube. Our, listenership is just exploding and we appreciate everybody who’s listening and we’re trying to bring you all the latest news and technology around wind industry.
Around the wind industry and we appreciate everybody contributing and sending us notes, including Derek Rutherford. So thanks Derek, for sending us a couple notes here about what’s happening in wind and we’ll see you here. Next week on the Uptime Wind Energy [00:32:00] Podcast.
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Two days of operator meetings in Melbourne shape the WOMA 2027 agenda, from performance upgrades and cable faults to foundations and bolts.
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Allen Hall: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy podcast. I’m your host, Allen Hall. I’m here with Matthew Stead and Rosemary Barnes. And Rosemary, where are we?
Rosemary Barnes: We’re in Melbourne, and we have been visiting future attendees and sponsors and people interested in, in the event to see what topics that we should be talking about.
What are the hot topics of the moment?
Allen Hall: Which is a very interesting two days, Matthew, in that, uh, we h- did meet with a number of operators based in Australia, but, uh, they’re also very worldly. They have talked to companies all over about operations and, and maintenance, and there are some really eye-opening topics- Mm
that will be- Mm … at WOMA 2027 this year.
Matthew Stead: Yeah. The thing that was interesting for me was [00:01:00]that actually the topics have changed each year. So, um, they’re evolving and the industry’s continuing to, to do better, and so that, that was really interesting. Performance upgrades was probably one of the big areas of, of new interest, I think.
I think we heard with the pressure on pricing, uh, the market and so forth, you know, that, that 1% or 2% now is becoming more important. Um, so I think, uh, upgrades will definitely feature quite a lot. Um, balance of plant was also a big topic. Um, you just can’t ig- ignore the, um, transmission, you can’t ignore the transformers, you can’t ignore, uh, condensers and all these sorts of things, so yeah.
Rosemary Barnes: Cables.
Matthew Stead: Cables.
Rosemary Barnes: Terminations. Terminations of cables. Specifically raised several times.
Allen Hall: Yep. Yeah. It’s all about being more efficient, uh, getting more production, and then with the PPA prices, uh, that are changing-
Matthew Stead: Mm …
Allen Hall: rapidly, uh, everybody is paying more attention to the bottom line.
Matthew Stead: Mm, mm.
Allen Hall: Absolutely. There, there’s less cash running around, uh, chasing new development.
It’s [00:02:00] more of a focus on making sure your, at least your existing assets are performing as, as well as they can be- Mm … which then opens up the, uh, Pandora’s box of opportunity. Mm. Because there are 1%’s all around a wind turbine. More specifically, uh, all the drive train issues, the blade issues, the generator issues, and even going into the substation.
Mm. I, I was really shocked on BOP e- the, the one topic that came up, uh, yesterday and today was buried cables. Mm. Like-
Matthew Stead: Faults …
Allen Hall: faults.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Junctions. Finding- Yeah … finding faults and what to do about them. Yeah. Yeah. But I think in addition to just wanting more revenue, I think people have, are getting more sophisticated about what actually matters and then the finances.
You know, everyone’s focused so much on availability, and now people- Mm … are like, okay, yeah, like once you’re at a certain level of availability, gets harder and harder to get more. And actually, you know, not all availability is equal. Is good. It, it [00:03:00] depends. Yeah. Yeah, like you wanna, um, you wanna focus on how much you’re generating at the times when electricity prices are high specifically, which usually means during lower wind speed periods.
Yeah. Which is actually good because that matches really well with what is actually possible. It’s, it’s hard to get more power out of the turbine if it’s at, you know, its rated power, then you’re not g- More efficiency is not gonna get you any more, um, power output, whereas lower in the power curve- Mm … um, when wind speeds are lower, there’s less electricity in the grid and so prices are higher.
And so- Mm … yeah, I mean, that’s, that’s why people are really asking to know more about what efficiency upgrades are possible, better ways to operate, scheduled maintenance, um, all those sorts of things. Mm. So that will be really interesting.
Matthew Stead: Raising the bar on sophistication. Um, but also life extension
Allen Hall: Yes, a lot of discussion about life extension
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, end of life and life extension End of life Yeah, um-
Matthew Stead: Foundations, structures Which is
Allen Hall: tied to PPA.
Mm. A lot of that [00:04:00] discussion I, at least I looked at it as, uh, if I had a PPA and I can continue with that PPA with an existing turbine, I want to do that. Mm,
Matthew Stead: mm,
Allen Hall: mm. But how do I do that and how do I know that that existing turbine can last another five years? It seemed to go in five-year blocks, like can we get to another five years and then another and then, then another.
Wow.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Once you get to 20, 20, 25 years, I think people like, uh, they, you know- It’s getting a little- Their original agreement might have been for 20, then they kind of just assume that there will be another five, and then after that they’re- Yeah … kind of reassessing cyclically and yeah, I know that people make plans for, you know, what components are replaceable, what would they have to get in, and I think that sometimes, uh, people doing those plans aren’t as familiar with the, you know, actual technical issues that are being faced.
Like, is a blade a replaceable component? It may be early on in the life it sort of is, not easily, but you know, like a 25-year-old wind turbine, you know, good luck trying to order 10 new blades because you’ve got a, you know, an issue that’s-
Allen Hall: Oh, well you, you need to read the news. Did you [00:05:00] see the news today about, uh, the, the wooden wind turbine blades as a replacement for aged blades?
That, that’s happening- … in real time, Rosa.
Rosemary Barnes: Okay. I know they- Yeah. Yep, yep. Okay. Okay. So that, that’s, that’s good. Making carbon new blade. E- even so, I don’t think that they’re- Okay. … gonna be, like, super-duper cheap, so you’re still gonna wanna be, um, doing a trade-off between y- you know, like, what kind of repairs.
You might be able to change the way you’re operating to reduce loads. Um, you might be able to monitor to make sure that your blades are safe. You know, if you know that there’s an issue, um, you just wanna get some advanced warning before blades start falling off your, your tower. Mm. You know, and then you can push it further.
Yeah. Whereas if you’ve got no information, then you have to be conservative and shut it down. Yeah. So yeah, I think there’s a whole lot that can be g- can be done there in that area.
Matthew Stead: There was a point that came up today, which I think was close to your heart, on, you know, if you’re going to be going for 1% or 2% or 0.5% AEP improvement, how do you actually measure that and how do you set up a proper experiment?
So-
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah …
Matthew Stead: I, I, I love that topic. [00:06:00]
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. No, it’s one that I, um, yeah, I deal with m- my clients I, I’m often… It’s one of the things that Pablo really loves to do, is to organize trials of that nature of new technologies and see if they work. But, um, yeah, asset managers are usually very, uh, focused on fast results.
You know, they’ve got a, a big problem and they want a solution now, so they wanna just roll out the new technology over an entire wind farm. But if you do that, then it’s almost impossible. Unless you get, like, a huge benefit, like, uh, 10% gains or, you know, like reduce your failures by 50% or more, it’s really hard to actually- Mm
pick that out if you just replace everything. Mm. Whereas if you do a really, really good, um, trial plan- Systematic. Yeah … and you match pairs very well so that you have, you know, a control for each turbine and there’s- so many variables in a wind farm. It’s not, it’s not as easy as just, like, randomly choosing 50% to do and not do.
Mm. Mm. Mm. Like, you have to, you know, put some work into the trial design, and then, you know, like, do your statistical calculations ahead of time to know how long it’s gonna take you to get s- statistical [00:07:00]significance. So then you don’t just have a gut feeling about- Yep … how something went. You’ve actually got numbers, and then you can take those numbers to, you know, other wind farms that you’ve got- Yeah
and, and know what’s going on much better.
Matthew Stead: Worst study is an inconclusive study.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Yeah, that’s true. Definitely.
Allen Hall: Well, that comes back to the data analysis- Mm … which a lot of operators mentioned, and how much data there is and what to do with it, and it did seem like a couple of operators have chosen some AI tools, varying degrees, all the way down from Microsoft Copilot to something much more complicated.
Uh, but I think there’s, uh, getting that d- to the last 1, 2, 3%, you’re going to need those tools- Absolutely … because what do you choose? Do you choose a blade? Do you choose a gearbox? Do you choose a generator? Do you go to the substation to get that percentage point or two Without having some really powerful tools- Mm.
you may be wasting your time [00:08:00] and money.
Matthew Stead: Mm.
Allen Hall: Which is a, a, a very interesting, uh, aspect to wind energy because it’s such an industrial business that, uh, we haven’t used heavy computational tools, uh, un- until really now.
Matthew Stead: Mm.
Allen Hall: And maybe Australia’s at the forefront because of the PPA and negative pricing is that that will, uh, actually lead an industry.
Because I haven’t seen a lot of that being used globally. Mm. So this is the first time an operator- Mm … that I’ve talked to has said, “We’re using it.”
Matthew Stead: Yeah. It’s quite a different discussion, um, I think, you know, this year compared to previous years in that I think in the past it was getting to know what’s possible, but now it’s like real case studies are coming through.
And a few of the people had some really good examples that we can talk about at the conference as to how they’ve actually been helped and how they did this and what the outcome was. I think, yeah, that would be really great content on that.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. I think it’s gonna be a good mix of people who have used third party tools and have experience with it, people that are doing it in-house and can share- Mm
some of the kinds of results- Mm … that, that you can get just from analyzing your own- Mm … [00:09:00] SCADA data. Um, people talking about how they get the data that they want. Mm. ‘Cause it’s not always so easy. You would think that, you know, you own a wind turbine, you have a right to have all of the data that comes through it, but it’s not.
Um, even if you do technically have a right, it’s, uh, it, it’s harder to actually get it than you might think. Mm. So yeah, sharing all, all those kinds of things. But I think also, like just as important as talking about the successes is talking about the, the gaps that– people still feel lots of gaps. Like, okay, we’ve got all the data, we’re collecting it.
We know that there’s so much potential here- Mm … but we don’t really- Mm … know what we can do, or it’s hard for us to, you know- Mm … make headway in this particular pain point. And that is really useful for companies that are developing tools to know what are the, the problems. Mm. Because then they can e- you know, they’re well placed to fix them.
Allen Hall: Mm. Which leads to the discussion we had with the operators and, uh, some of the suppliers for WOMA 2027. There’s a lot of interest. And as we’re sitting in the conference rooms, I’m thinking, we may not have enough room to [00:10:00] seat everybody. Uh, the WOMA 2027 website is up and running, and you can register now.
So just go to woma2027.com and get started there. At the same point, we’ve had a lot of contact with, uh, pretty much everybody that wants to sponsor the event, and there’s only a limited number of ways to sponsor. So if you’re interested in doing that, you, you need to go to woma2027.com and look at those, uh, part- particular packages and see what- Mm
fits your, your business. Uh- Going back to some of the, the comments we were just discussing downstairs about what we heard at 2026, like, which is only a couple of months ago, right? It’s back in February this year. Uh, there’s, they’re still discussing what happened at WOMA 2026- Mm. Which was very fascinating- Mm
because I think Rosemary, you and I have been to conferences that I have not thought an iota … about what happened at those conferences. Just nothing interesting does occur. There’s no new, new information, there’s [00:11:00] no new science, there’s no new operator approaches.
Rosemary Barnes: Mm.
Allen Hall: But we’re gonna see a number of those- Yeah.
Mm … come next March.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Well, I think it’s partly because I don’t know what other conference organizers do, but, you know, we’ve had a exhausting few days here. You’ve come all the way from America, obviously, and, and Claire as well, also come over, our producer. Um, so, y- you know, like, we’re working really hard to make sure that the topics…
Like, it’s not an accident that the topics are ones that people are talking about later, because we come here to make sure that we get the right topics. And it’s not just these meetings as well. People get in touch, and- Mm … anybody watching, listening, who has, you know, something that they wanna talk about, then definitely, you know, send us a message, and yeah, we’re working on the agenda.
We’ll, we’ll have a draft agenda in the next couple of weeks based on what we’ve learned here, but then we’ve got the hard job of it’s not just that you have a really interesting topic, you need to have a really great speaker- Yeah … or several really great speakers, usually covering several different aspects of the problem.
You know, maybe it’s, uh, yeah, an asset [00:12:00] owner, an OEM, and some, some technology provider, you know, all together giving different, um, yeah, perspectives. That’s, I think, what makes a really great session. Mm. So yeah, we need the ideas for the sessions, and we also need the ideas for great speakers.
Matthew Stead: Yeah.
Rosemary Barnes: Right.
Matthew Stead: Yeah. I think we’ve, we’ve already matched a few of those dots, so- Yeah … I, we’ve heard people asking for certain topics they wanna hear about, and then we’ve heard other operators saying, “Well, this is what we could talk about.” So I think we’ve already-
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, yeah … got some great
Matthew Stead: progress.
Rosemary Barnes: It was, it was interesting ’cause we, we built up a list of, you know-
Matthew Stead: Yeah
Rosemary Barnes: frequently raised topics, and then you’d say it to the next person that you went to- Mm … and they’re like, “Oh, that’s not a problem for us because we’ve done X, Y, Z.” And you’re like, “Okay. Well, excellent. You can, you can present the solutions that we know that other people- Yeah. Yes … are, are looking for.” Yeah.
So it has been… Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it’s definitely worthwhile coming, as, as tiring as it is. Yeah. Um, definitely worthwhile, and we’ll get a much better agenda for the- Yeah … for the effort.
Matthew Stead: And I think, I mean, it has been tiring. Um, but what, what made it for me was one of the operators said that [00:13:00] this is the only conference they will go to So I think, I think we’re doing the right thing.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Yeah. I, I think so. I understand too, like, you know, all of us, we kind of are forced to go to events because that’s where our, our clients and customers are, and so you need to see them. And yeah, like I’ve even gone to the extent of some events where I don’t particularly like the event, but I know everyone’s going.
Mm. I just go and sit near the event for a couple of days and meet people at a cafe. So yeah, like we can’t get away from it. But if you’re an asset manager or, um, yeah, somebody in that kind of type of work, like you’ve got better things to do than listen to sales pitches aggressively thrown at you that aren’t relevant- Yeah
to what you’re doing. So, um, yeah. Like I, I definitely love to hear that kind of feedback- Yeah … and wanna make sure that we get it every, every year. Like that’s- It’s, it’s
Matthew Stead: encouraging.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah … yeah, that’s, that’s the point of the conference, so.
Matthew Stead: Yeah.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah.
Matthew Stead: The other big topic was we would really love more OEM involvement.
Um-
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Everybody wants more- … a lot of the operators- … OEM involvement- Yeah … all of the asset owners.
Matthew Stead: Yeah.
Rosemary Barnes: Like we want to [00:14:00] hear from OEMs more, have them there. Um, so yeah, we’re, we’ll be trying to To get those sorted
Allen Hall: Well, WOMA is a global conference, although it’s Australia-based and there’s a, a number of Australian operators.
There are Danish, Americans, uh, plenty of Europeans. Uh, we’re gonna see some from Southeast Asia, I think, this year. Mm-hmm. And, and Japan hopefully will come. Uh, because it’s a, it’s a global conference, there’s global knowledge- Mm … and wind is such a big industry. You may not have the solution in the United States, it may be sitting in Australia, and we need to exchange those ideas.
Mm. And that, that’s the point. So w- we are continuing to look for those world experts as we have received all the inputs of these are all the topics we wanna go hear about. Great. Now it’s on us three to go find some of those world experts and, and try to get them to Melbourne. Yeah. And I, I think that’s a great opportunity.
So if we do call you and ask you to participate in WOMA [00:15:00] 2027, please take it seriously because- Mm … you will be bombarded with great questions- Mm … and contacts and information. Uh, it’s an event you won’t wanna miss. Yeah. And- But I would- … there’s opportunity there.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. I’d say we’re, we’re prioritizing OEMs, um, to, to get more participation, ideally to speak, but at least to be there.
And we have heard from multiple asset owners in Australia that they want, they, they want to know what are some of the upgrades that they can do- Yeah … that you’re offering. They wanna know what’s coming next in terms of technology. They wanna know what are some of the non-Western options. So, you know, like it would be great to get some Chinese wind turbine, um, manufacturers as well.
Like, they want all this information. They don’t want a slick sales brochure pitch that doesn’t give them any technical information. So we’re hopeful that we’ll be able to get, you know, some technical people to speak on, yeah, what are the upgrades you offer and how does it work- Mm-hmm … and show us a case study that demonstrates the improvements.
Um, ’cause that [00:16:00] sometimes is really hard to get out of- Mm … out of OEMs. You know, that, “We’ve got this thing, it’s so amazing, you should get it.” Okay, well, what’s the business case for it? “Oh, well, we don’t have any numbers. Just trust us.”
Matthew Stead: Yeah.
Rosemary Barnes: Um, it’s so common to get a pitch like that. So yeah, any, any OEM that has any- anything like that, either for the next generation of wind turbines or for upgrading the current fleet, yeah, if you’re willing to bring the data, then people, they are desperate to hear this information.
Allen Hall: Mm.
Matthew Stead: Yeah. That came up so many times.
Rosemary Barnes: Mm.
Allen Hall: So what were the other, uh, topics that we’re… I’m just not thinking off the top of my head. I know foundations came up quite a bit- Foundations, yeah … which was an odd one, I think, because we haven’t seen that a lot in Australia. Yeah. But this year, foundations, foundations, foundations.
Basically, the health of foundations. Yeah.
Matthew Stead: Yeah. I think really there was a lifting of the maturity. Um, I think the topics were sort of showing that, you know, Maslow’s hierarchy and moving into the more of optimization rather than making do, and I think life extension around the foundations was a, a really good example of that.
Allen Hall: And bolts.
Matthew Stead: Bolts? Yeah, bolts.
Allen Hall: [00:17:00] Everybody said bolts. Bolts.
Matthew Stead: Bolts.
Allen Hall: You think the world’s simplest device, we’ve been making bolts for nearly 1,000 years or at least a couple hundred. But it does- And, you know- … come up quite often … cable, cable
Matthew Stead: terminations, again, some really
Rosemary Barnes: basic- Yeah, that, really specific ones that were raised multiple times.
Yeah. Um, yeah, which, which is great- Yeah … ’cause it gives us a good direction to go. But I do love how it changes so much every year- Yeah … ’cause it makes me feel like, okay, yeah, like we’re actually, you know, it’s worthwhile, um, putting on another event. Mm. Um, not just recording one event and then just, you know, like replaying that every year or something.
Re-educating.
Allen Hall: Yeah. Well, I, I think there’s a learning exercise that has happened over the past two years where people now are knowledgeable about those things we talked about- Mm … two years ago. Uh, was it, was it even two years ago? It was a year and a half ago when we first started this, so we’re, we’re not that deep into it.
Although our third conference will be next March, uh, you just see more energy, more industry knowledge in some of the references that I heard, uh, in terms of other companies and the approaches they’re taking clearly came from WOMA.
Matthew Stead: Yeah.
Rosemary Barnes: Mm.
Matthew Stead: Yeah,
Allen Hall: yeah. Which is, which is [00:18:00] fascinating. Yeah. That’s
Rosemary Barnes: good. I mean, we want- It, it is
Allen Hall: sticking
Rosemary Barnes: we want tech conferences to get better, right? That was the- No … the reason why we, uh, we started this conference was ’cause we didn’t think that it was sufficient, what we had available. So, you know, it’s not a bad thing if other conferences, um, get better. Yeah. Yeah. We should also mention that blades were, were raised a fair bit.
We talked so much about blades in the previous years, and we will be talking about blades a lot again, including we’ve got a master class on the Friday. Uh, it’s… Yeah, we’ll go back to some of the basics about how the composite materials work and how a blade is designed and certified and manufactured, and, um- Lightning.
Y- yeah, yeah, a little, a little bit about lightning. Um, I don’t wanna cover it too much because we did the master class on lightning- Right … last year. Mm. Um, yeah. And yeah, some of the common damage methods anyway. And of course- Mm … yeah, lightning is probably the most- … common, or I guess leading edge erosion is the most, and then lightning would be the most expensive.
Um, yeah, so we’ll be, we’ll be covering all that and just try and raise the knowledge level a little bit, um, for [00:19:00] everybody to… It’s a very complicated kind of, uh, yeah, component.
Matthew Stead: Yeah.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah.
Matthew Stead: And workshops. So each year we’ve run sort of workshops or roundtables or whatever, so we’re still thinking about the format for them, but, um, thinking about how we’ll reintroduce them again this year.
You know, specific topics, specific questions, specific answers.
Rosemary Barnes: Mm.
Allen Hall: And the three of us will be in Hamburg in a couple of weeks at Wind Energy Hamburg, so if you see us and you’re interested in coming to Australia, that’s the place to grab us and- Yep … and shake us and say, “I wanna go to Australia. How do I do it?”
Rosemary Barnes: Mm.
Allen Hall: Uh, yeah. Yeah.
Rosemary Barnes: Especially if you’ve got a, a t- technology that addresses some of those specific issues that we’ve mentioned- Mm … then, um, yeah, just know ahead of time that Australia needs, needs more information and more, um, solutions available to them. So, yeah. And
Matthew Stead: that reminds me, we had a really discussion a- around safety and, you know, reasonable and [00:20:00] practicable, and discussion around all the lessons learned about how…
or what is best practice on a site, what is best practice about how to manage risks and-
Rosemary Barnes: Mm.
Matthew Stead: Yeah. Yeah. I know you, you, you enjoyed that one.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And we’re not talking about, like, safety the- Ear muffs or hats. The, um, rou- Yeah, the routine safety that if you- The goggles, yeah … yeah, trip over and graze your knee, then you need to let the site supervisor know.
You, you know, it’s not that stuff, ’cause sites have that under control. That’s a given, yeah. Or at least the ability to get that under control. We’re talking about the bigger- Yeah … bigger things, you know. Like, uh, is there a issue that is causing blades to fall off turbines every now and then? Is there an issue that, uh, can lead to, you know, a fire?
I, I think everyone, like- Yeah … a big fear of everybody’s. There’s never been, um, in Australia at least, there’s never been a wind turbine fire that has caused a bush fire, but it is a possibility, and it would be so bad for the industry. So, you know, it’s those things- Mm … that could be just terrible, preventing those before they happen.
Mm. So that’s the kind of safety that we’re gonna mainly focus on. Mm. Although, you know, we’re not gonna [00:21:00] turn down questions on, um, some of the smaller stuff as well.
Matthew Stead: Yeah.
Rosemary Barnes: Mm.
Matthew Stead: And we even thought about getting some lawyers-
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah …
Matthew Stead: you missed out on this discussion, Rosie. Okay.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah.
Matthew Stead: So
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Lawyers, this is news to me.
Well, I mean, are we talking contracts or, um-
Matthew Stead: No, no … no … it’s really operations. I mean- Right … the environmental, um, issues- Oh yeah … the operational issues. Mm. You know, there’s, there’s a few things in there that the lawyers can add.
Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. I mean- … I’ve, I constantly find myself having to interpret, you know, legal, um, legal text and also anticipate, you know, it’s one thing about what’s the right engineering, but then there is also the legal interpretation of it- Yeah
uh, as well, you know, in terms of contract law, but then also in, in terms of safety. Yeah. Um, yeah. Was this certification done correctly? You know- Yeah … that’s got some legal aspect to it. So yeah, that- Yeah … makes sense to me. Insurance is another one where I would say- Yeah, actually that came up … you know, like some, some people might think that that doesn’t sound interesting, but yeah, in- insurance is the other-
Matthew Stead: Mm
Rosemary Barnes: aspect that you [00:22:00] just can’t, um, you can’t get away from it. Like, you can’t just think that you’re, you’re doing your engineering without bothering about Mm … yeah, like finance and law and, um, and insurance. Those are things that- Mm … you spend a lot of time thinking about.
Matthew Stead: Yeah. Mm. And I guess we would also love to hear, you know, about potential speakers, but we’d also love to hear any other topics that people are attending and want to know about as well.
Rosemary Barnes: Mm-hmm.
Allen Hall: Absolutely. And if you haven’t registered for WOMA 2027, which will be March 3rd through 5th at the Pullman in East Melbourne, right? East Melbourne, yeah. They just redefined it. It’s Pullman in East Melbourne. Uh, go ahead and go to woma2027.com and register now. Uh, Matthew and Rosemary, it’s great to see you in person again, and we’ll see you in a couple of weeks, uh, hopefully in, in Germany.
Rosemary Barnes: Mm.
Allen Hall: Very [00:23:00] exciting.
Renewable Energy
Forcing Our Teachers to Toe the Line on Communism
The substance of the meme here is correct; Florida public schools require comprehensive K-12 instruction on the history and dangers of communism, following a series of legislative moves and curriculum standards. The updated “History of Communism” curriculum is rolling out for the 2026–2027 school year, mandating that students learn about the “brutal realities” and (the catastrophic) global impact of communist regimes.
When I was a schoolboy in the 1960s and early 1970s, we came to learn that all efforts to establish a viable communist nation had failed, but our teachers were not shackled as to what they could teach and how they could teach it. As a result, we came to a variety of helpful viewpoints, and these are what I offered my own kids as they were growing up, e.g.,
- “Men are not angels,” as my sixth-grade social studies teacher explained. Those who do not need to work in order to survive can simply goof off.
- Yet idleness is averse to most people’s psychological needs to be an active and productive person, and member of society.
- Power corrupts, and absolutely power corrupts absolutely. Democracy prevents the accumulation of a pathological amount of power on the part of any one leader. (This was assumed to be true until Donald Trump’s second term.)
- If Lenin (a butcher) hadn’t had Trotsky (a compassionate intellectual) assassinated, the entirety of the USSR would have turned out completely differently.
- If the U.S. hadn’t, through its embargoes, made it impossible for Cuba to offer its people a decent quality of life, their revolution may have succeeded and brought forth a new way of thinking.
- There are examples of smaller scale societies in which the ideals of communism work out very nicely, e.g., the Israeli kibbutz.
- We read and discussed at length a book called “Social Ideals and Ideal Societies” in which these concepts were analyzed fairly and in great depth.
Now, will the typical American schoolchild turn out better if he’s cut off from thinking critically about all this and forced to accept the mantra that “communism = evil?” The typical Florida Republican would say the answer is an obvious yes, but most intelligent people would dispute that.
Producing educated people who can think for themselves is an idea quite opposed to the ongoing control of a population.
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Trump Supporters Stupid?
To the author of the meme here, I say: It’s safe to say that most folks in Trump’s MAGA base are stupid, though one needs more than a low IQ to fit into this segment.
In particular, we mustn’t omit mean-spiritedness. People who are kind, compassionate, decent and tolerant of others are grossly unqualified to be rank-and-file Trumpers.
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