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Ørsted Offshore Cost Reduction, Automation in Wind

In this episode, we discuss Ørsted’s new report proposing a 30% reduction in offshore wind energy costs by 2040, and explore the potential role of automation in wind energy manufacturing. Plus a reminder to register for the next SkySpecs webinar, focused on turbine repair trends and best practices. And the La Joya Wind Farm in New Mexico is our wind farm of the week!

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Speaker: [00:00:00] You are listening to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast brought to you by build turbines.com. Learn, train, and be a part of the Clean Energy Revolution. Visit build turbines.com today. Now, here’s your host. Allen Hall, Joel Saxon, Phil Totaro, and Rosemary Barnes.

Allen Hall: Well, you won’t want to miss the next SkySpecs webinar, which is on April 30th at 11:00 AM Eastern Time us Which Joel, that’s like, uh, it’s like 5:00 PM Denmark time, right?

Roughly.

Joel Saxum: Mm. Mm-hmm.

Allen Hall: Yeah. And this is the second webinar in the joint series with Uptime and PES Wind. This edition features industry leading repair vendors and discusses the latest trends, challenges, and innovations, shaping the turbine repair landscape. Now this is who schedule to appear. Sheryl Weinstein, principal blade engineer with SkySpecs and.

If anybody knows Sheryl she knows Blades. This is [00:01:00] somebody you want to pay attention to. Alice Lyon, owner and CEO of Lyon technical access. Uh. Really knowledgeable about Blades. Craig Guthrie, who I’ve known for a long time now, director of Blade Service at Takkion and Jose Israel Mejia Rodriguez, who’s director of engineering at RNWBL.

And if you’ve worked with renewable, uh, they do a terrific job keeping turbines up and running. So this discussion will be, uh, talking about best practices for operators and owners and repair teams. But so just, there’s a lot of confusion at times on, on how to. Keep your organization running smoothly.

Well, these experts are gonna be giving you a, a lot of good advice and how to source repair vendors and, and how to evaluate vendors and get certifications and safety records, which are getting more and more critical as the season goes on. So you won’t wanna miss this. April 30th, 11:00 AM Eastern us.

Click the link in the show notes [00:02:00] below to to register for that event and tell a friend, because this is gonna be a, a great webinar. Ørsted has released a significant new report titled Offshore Wind at a Crossroads, and you can go on Google and download this document. It’s, it’s a pretty thick white paper and it examines the current state of the European offshore wind industry.

And Rosemary and I were just over in Copenhagen. We saw. A lot of the offshore wind industry at the Wind Europe event. Now the report focuses on the urgent need to revitalize Europe’s offshore wind industry, and it outlines the policies and industry action required to unlock investment and stabilize some of the costs and accelerate the deployment of offshore wind at.

There are a number of highlights in this. The one of them or two of them, let’s go with the big ones, which is, um, Ørsted proposed a joint commitment between the governments and industry to auction at least 10 gigawatts of CFD capacity over the next 10 years. So [00:03:00] 10 gigawatts per year over the next 10 years, which would be a hundred gigawatts plus another five that would be for c corporate offtake.

So like a PPA, uh, sort of situation. And for doing this, with that commitment, the, the industry would then mobilize investment to try to lower the levelized cost of energy by 30% by 2040. And my first thought was, boy, that’s a pretty good trade off. If, if I’m a. You know, any country in Europe, 30 percent’s a lot because the, the existing CFD prices are in the 90 euros per megawatt hour.

And then we’re gonna try to drop them into the sixties, seventies, uh, by 2040. And, um, my first thought no one was gonna talk to all you today was, is this possible you think they can get a 30% reduction by 2040 in the levelized cost of energy for offshore wind? Some of that coming [00:04:00] from lower cost of access or easier access to cash, which hopefully if interest rates comes down, that will happen.

The other one is just getting better at what they’re doing. Is that something that we can lower the price down that much by 30% by 2040?

Phil Totaro: Well, yeah, they, they target two areas in, in this report that they talk about, uh, reduced cost capital being, you know, 15% of it approximately, and the other 15% being, as you mentioned, like what they’re calling accelerated learning curve.

Um, which is really just, you know, um, what do we used to call that? Economies of scale, uh. You know, effectively, like getting familiar with the manufacturing process around certain things and, and being able to, uh, get cost efficiencies out of, um, you know, uh, wasted, um, manufacturing process or, um. You know, wasted materials and, and things like that as well.

So the [00:05:00] short answer is I don’t know that it’s gonna be 30%, and I, I would actually forecast that the reduced cost of capital will probably be more than 15%. So you may get there, uh, and you know, you might get to 30% reduction just on cost of capital alone, but at the end of the day, yeah, I mean, this isn’t anything revolutionary here.

Um, uh, so. Yeah, it’s, it’s certainly possible to be able to achieve that, especially by a time timeframe like 2040. But we also don’t know what’s gonna happen, uh, you know, in, in the global economic situation between now and then. You know, it’s, that’s 15 years away, 14 years away, and there’s, there’s some black swan event that’s still out there yet to happen that can, you know, throw us into a global recession or, or also into global growth.

So. We’ll see.

Rosemary Barnes: Black Swan is such a weird phrase for an Australian because all swans here are black, and so [00:06:00]

Joel Saxum: the last person that used that with me was an Australian. I think that, I think there’s a couple of things you can think about here though too. If what this is calling for, what this report is calling for is stability within the industry.

We want stability. We want to have more growth. We want to have more opportunity. We want to, we want a market and a power producing industry for off offshore wind that is stable and can drive investment. It can take investment, but if you get to that stage, you’re also gonna bring in more competition.

That’s good. So if it’s a stable space and more people can enter it to, to work in it, then you’re going to more Competition usually drives prices down, whether that’s vessel manufacturers or suppliers or you know, blade repair companies or drone inspections, whatever that may be. More competition usually drops that price and at the same time.

You know, ever since I’ve been in the win industry, it’s been really exciting about how we treat innovation. There’s a lot of people working on a lot of things. And if in the next 15 years innovation, the whole point of innovation is to drive prices down [00:07:00] or to, you know, to save money here, save money there.

So I think that more competition in a stable market, more money coming into innovation in a stable market, um, you know, this is outside of what Phil’s thoughts that are completely correct on, you know, financing coming down and, and cost. I think that those things could drive, uh, an LCOE down, down, down, down, down.

Um. It’s that economy of scale. It’s that once we’re here, we’re ready to roll, we can do these things.

Rosemary Barnes: I might kind of disagree with Joel, but probably at its essence not, not fully disagree. I think that, uh, definitely. I mean, it’s not, it’s not actually a huge reduction over 15 years, right? Like if you look at the previous curves of cost reductions, uh, it’s, you know, it’s, it’s not gonna, it’s not gonna even continue that trend.

But I do think that the recent trend. Up until a couple of years ago, the trend for wind energy’s price reductions was too, too steep, artificially steep, and I think driven by like, excessive competition or like a weird, a weird [00:08:00] kind of competition, um, with maybe too much innovation in a sense. So I think that more of the same of that is, is not the right kind of kind of innovation.

I think what what we need is to have, uh, a few, a few products available. Definitely you need some competition, but. Companies need to be able to make enough enough turbines from the one platform to have a secure pipeline of project. Then you get the kinds of innovation that maybe don’t immediately seem like innovation but aren’t nonetheless, you know, like just little learnings on how to improve cycle times, little learnings on how to improve quality.

You know, just tiny little. Engineering innovations, manufacturing innovations that just have time to build up, have time to repay all of the, you know, like you need a lot of engineering to make a new, a new product, an offshore wind product, reliable and cheap. And you need, uh, enough units made to repay that investment because when you’re just constantly like a new platform, every year we’re [00:09:00] going bigger.

Two years later, we’ve got a bigger wind turbine and two years after that, we’ve got another bigger one. It’s not enough time to make enough wind turbines to repay the engineering investment.

Joel Saxum: And I think Rosemary, I’m, I’m, I’m, I agree with you a hundred percent on that component, and I, where my point was more driven, and I should have said this was more innovation in o and m.

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah,

Joel Saxum: like I’m thinking an operation of wind farms is my, my take on innovation is more innovation in the operations and maintenance. How can we do this better, faster, more efficiently with robotics or whatever that may be. And so that’s where I was going with it, rather than on the development or OEM side.

Allen Hall: But o and m is downstream of OEM. And getting the OEM to deliver a high quality product is the key here. Rosemary, give me a rough estimate on a new development cycle versus continual improvement engineering staff. What is that ratio? Is it 10 to one? When you’re developing a new turbine, you need say, a hundred engineers to sustain it and make it better.

Do you need 10? [00:10:00] You need 20, you need 30. What is that relative number? Because that’s where a lot of savings is gonna happen really is. Reducing the staff and getting more into the manufacturing and focusing there, right?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. I mean, it would be a total stab in the dark based on my personal experience.

Probably not totally representative, but it does it, it varies so much from product to product, depending on what kinds of innovations. That you’ve got senior management at engineering companies. Love, love to think that the, you know, like lower level engineers, project managers are just, you know, just like to complain and, um, are too risk averse and all that sort of thing.

But US engineers, you know, back in 20 16, 17, 18, like we, we were right. It was too fast. And the, you know, the, um. Too fast for the amount of engineering support, and we see quality problems now. So I just think like if the industry can’t take another, we will get through this, this crunch now with increased quality problems, increased warranty costs.

We’ll, we’ll, the industry will get through it, but [00:11:00] you can’t have another, another cycle again in five years time from that, you know, like we, you need time to consolidate and rebuild trust in the industry and in the technology. I think in the West we, um, misunderstand what counts as innovation to think it’s only scientists in labs that are, you know, innovating.

It’s only those eureka moments of a new, a new cell chemistry or a new battery chemistry. That’s what counts as innovation. But if you look at the cost reduction, actually. Most cost reduction comes from those like small, boring manufacturing innovations. Um, and not just with manufacturing the project, uh, the product itself, either, you know, um, innovations in terms of.

Uh, you know, installing, installing wind farms, um, and yeah, innovations in, in operating them more effectively can make a huge difference. Innovations in pro, um, in project financing as well can have a, a really big effect. Like Phil mentioned, like the finance cost is one of the easiest or most likely ways that we’ll see cost reductions actually.

So [00:12:00] yeah, we need to broaden our thinking on what kind of innovation that we need. I think

Allen Hall: I wanna take a quick break here, and when I come back I want to understand how. More European supplied components that is obviously gonna happen over the next couple of years, are gonna be able to support this 30% reduction in the LCOE.

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Visit OGs ping.com and take control of your turbine’s health today. Alright, we’re back. So the dis Rosemary just led a really good discussion about the the ways and methods that LCOE is going to get lowered on offshore wind in Europe. [00:13:00] One of the sticking points I think, though, is there’s gonna be more emphasis on building more components within Europe, which has a higher cost structure.

Can the European manufacturers Vestas, Siemens GAA push down prices if they bring more. Of the components, uh, from Europe, instead of having so many produced in China or in India or wherever they’re gonna be produced at, I, I do feel like there’s gonna be a big push to make some of these things in Europe.

Is that gonna offset the savings are making on the installation and the design improvements? Is there, is there a

Phil Totaro: way to do it, Phil? Potentially, but only with reductions in labor cost. Which, you know, in, you know, we’ve, we’ve talked on the show before about, you know, unionized labor around the world, but I mean, Europe has probably some of the most [00:14:00] heavily regulated, um.

A and, and largest overhead associated with, you know, their, their kind of unionized labor there. Um, so unless they’re going to soften on, on that side of things and find ways to reduce overhead, the short answer is no. The second element of this is raw material costs, which is where we could still leverage.

And, and I’ve talked about this on the show a number of times, we could leverage raw materials from China, raw materials from other places around the world. Um. You know, in exchange for, you know, you know, reductions on tariffs for steel imports, uh, in exchange for more access to, you know, the European market.

Um, and I’ve said that about the United States as well. It’s like, all right, well if the Chinese wanna come over here, they can, but they’ve gotta give us more rare earth elements, uh, you know, to processed rare earth elements. They’ve gotta lift their quotas. So it’s, it’s gotta be something [00:15:00] like that. Um, those would be really the two easiest scenarios to, to get to, um, a production cost in Europe that would be comparable to what people could get in, in India or China.

But without that, I, I don’t see what incentive companies have to re domesticate production.

Allen Hall: Is automation going to play a part in that? Uh, when we were over in, uh, wind Europe, uh, there was a big, uh, celebration between EMAC and Windar. Pivot Mac makes the automated welding machines that are welding really thick steel plate together to make foundations and towers super complicated things, but it’s automated and to, to roll the steel.

Not easy things to do, but it’s automated and it really lowers the cost down and, and making towers when they use these automated tools, these computer controlled tools, is that where the industry’s gonna go? That. We’re gonna see more automation, [00:16:00] more robotics, more um, AI kind of technology thrown at these problems to lower the cost of these parts down?

Rosemary Barnes: I think so. And we’re talking a 15 year timeframe as well. It’s one of the things like with wind industry, that the whole time that I was. Um, looking at a manufacturer, you know, like automation is, um, is coming, is was being introduced to every, every kind of industry. But e everybody in the wind industry was like, oh, we can’t automate wind energy.

We tried and it didn’t work. And that, yeah, we, we, you know, we wasted, I dunno, 10, 10 million euros or whatever on a, a project to automate wind, turbine blade manufacturing. So it won’t happen. And it’s just like, well. Okay, but you know, you tried in 2010 and now we’ve got 2020 technology and Sumar 2000, um, 30 technology and like obviously the whole world is not gonna automate except with the exception of wind energy.

So, um, I think that. There are now, I I also, I did talk to several people at Wind Europe, even from [00:17:00] OEMs that are working on automation projects now. And, um, so we are gonna see either incremental improvements where they just, you know, automate certain parts of the manufacturing process or my personal belief is that we will actually see maybe even a revolution in the way that, uh, a lot of wind turbine components are made to be fully automated and a, a totally different manufacturing process than what we’ve seen.

If that happens, then it, you know, like it goes from being a you, you gotta locate the manufacturing where the, um, labor is cheapest. Then other factors will be more important, like what’s close to the site that you’re installing. ’cause you know, shipping is a large cost, especially for large offshore wind components.

And energy will be a larger cost probably for, you know, automated manufacturing. So low energy costs will be an issue. So I, I do think that we’re. Maybe not five years away, but sometime in the next dec decade. I predict a big, big shake up in the way that, um, the [00:18:00] industry works in terms of manufacturing for wind energy and, and we need it as well.

You know, that’s, that’s something that’s, that’s gotta happen to, to get the cost down to the level that we need them to be, to roll out the amount that we need to have.

Joel Saxum: And when you introduce automation into any kind of industrial process, it, it’s not gonna immediately drop the, the, the end price. A lot of times there’s a, there’s a.

Bit of capital, a bit of NRE that happens with that. Um, and you know, like something nobody wants to go in and start losing or like, as a supplier, nobody wants to go in and then take a lower price point right away. So that price point will remain high when automation is first introduced and what the push is gonna be is gonna, it’s gonna control quality.

You talk about this pema me thing and the windar renewables deal, like there it is so hard to weld as someone who can weld to weld thick, heavy steel together. And to have it be. Perfect or right, or you know, like, that’s so difficult. That is an art meat science thing. And when you can do it in an automated fashion, then your quality goes up.

That’s what we want in the industry. And it’s, and it’s [00:19:00] gonna be a, it’ll be a great snowball. ’cause once we get in there, we get the automation going, quality going, and then after this machine is, you know, basically depreciated, then the, it gets cheaper. Cheaper and cheaper. Cheaper and cheaper as we go. So

Phil Totaro: the, this is the exact, uh, direction we need to go in theoretically.

But I’m gonna, I’m gonna take. Maybe the contrarian approach to this and say what, what normally happens is what Joel just described. You’ve got non-recurring engineering costs and upfront capital costs that usually make something or keep something as expensive or make it even more expensive than it otherwise would be.

Over time. As the, as the, the economies of scale are achieved and the depreciation on the equipment occurs, it’s not like we get a reduction in, in the cost. We just get companies that get bigger margin as a result of, of, you know, leveraging that, that automation and technology. The other point I’ll make is to go back to this, this concept that we, the only reason we haven’t seen.

Uh, you know, [00:20:00] automation more widely adopted today because we have a lot of the, the technologies in place, not all of ’em, you know, we can’t, you still can’t automate like everything, you know, and, and just have a, a factory of robots making wind turbines, but. The reason we haven’t adopted it today is because of the cost of production.

Yes, you might get higher quality, but the cost of production actually wouldn’t be lower than using people power. Uh, and and that’s something that, so just like you get economies of scale with. The components you’re producing, the, the automation itself needs to go through a cost revolution to be able to get down to a price point where it can be more widely adopted, and that’s one of the main reasons why it hasn’t been

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Allen Hall: Well, if you haven’t downloaded your latest copy of PES Win, you need to do it now by visiting ps win.com. Or, uh, you can actually ask for a hard copy. Hard copy’s brilliant if you can get one. They’re hard to get your hands on lately because there’s, everybody keeps grabbing them at all the trade shows before I can get to them, but.

Hey, what are you gonna do? And in this quarter’s, PES wins a lot of great articles, and one that I knew was coming for a while is from hard head veterans, Joel down in Sweetwater, Texas, and they’ve been developing a helmet safety helmet for wind technicians. And I saw this probably a year ago when the development started and they were head on this project.

This is cool, [00:22:00] uh, neat technology, and so it’s a kevy safety helmet. And it has better protection from both top and side impacts. And the whole goal of this is to have a better, uh, performing better comfort in, especially in Texas where it’s so dang hot. You, you want a helmet that does cool you and, uh.

Hardhead veterans have done that on in numerous industries, but now they’re into wind. This is pretty cool.

Joel Saxum: I think that something that people don’t realize with, uh, safety gear or PPE in general is being a wind turbine technician is very specialized, right? So just like, look, we’re focused on hard hats here, so you’re, you need to be protected from, uh, anything falling from above.

You need to be protective as a we, we call them bump caps, right? So when you’re inside of a n cell or you’re climbing a ladder, whatever, and you bump into something or on the side of the head or the top of the head, you need all that protected. You also need a chin strap because you’re a, we’re the wind [00:23:00] blows.

That’s where we put wind turbines. So you need all these things, but then they’ve gone a step further. And these are some of my favorite components of hard hats in general, and I’ve always said these things. Connected tools, right? So now they’ve got, you’ve got this thing. You can put air protection on it, you can put sunglasses on it.

You can put a headlamp that’s built into it. And my favorite feature, now, this is my, I’m an old school hard hat guy, and I have been, since my oil field days. I like having the brim on the sides to protect my ears from the sun. I hate getting sun, I hate getting sunburnt. And they’ve done like literally everything I like about a hard hat is.

In this hard hat and they’re making ’em in Sweetwater. Uh, I think, uh, this is a fantastic product and these, these guys are gonna see some, some high demand. Hopefully the, the uptime bump helps for their bump caps and then they start making a lot of sales because they look awesome.

Allen Hall: If you go to the website, which is hardhead veterans.com, you can see all the different colors of the kevy hardhat.

They come in all kinds of great colors and I, and I’m sure, is there a requirement, Joel, to have a specific color on site? I know most of ’em are

Joel Saxum: white, but it depends on the operator right, too. Because some of ’em will be like a short [00:24:00] service. Employees need a certain color. Sometimes it’s a, you know, someone who’s a regular technician on the site.

They have a regular color guests. Yeah. Guests have a different color. Yeah. You’re, you’re correct, Phil. Um, so that’s gonna be company by company. But, um, I know that, um, I’m a fan of the old school white hard hat. Keeps it, keeps it cool in the sunlight too.

Allen Hall: Yeah. When Joel and I show up on wind sites, they give it the helmet much with the flashing red light on top to know that we don’t belong there.

Do not let these guys climb a turbine today kinda hat. Yeah. And rightly so. Yeah. So check out uh, PS wind to ps wind.com and also, uh, visit, uh, hardhead veterans, uh, websites. Really cool stuff there.

Rosemary Barnes: Please send me a hard hat with a pod alert logo on it.

Allen Hall: Rosemary has a very special announcement. Go ahead, Rosemary.

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, my, my little YouTube channel got, uh, passed a hundred thousand subscribers a month or so ago. So now I’ve got my very own, very own play button on display in my background to go with, uh. [00:25:00] Weather Guard won from Asias ago now, year, two years ago, um, and soon to be soon to be joined by a gold version of the button to celebrate 1 million subscribers on the Uptime Wind Energy channel.

Which is a mind blowing number of people around the world who are interested in all the news in wind energy, and which you can find handily combined in one place.

Allen Hall: It’s with Guard Lightning Tech on the YouTube channel. ’cause we, that’s how we started it way back five years ago, is like a little company channel.

We were hoping to get like a thousand people to subscribe at the time and. Now it’s a thousand times

Joel Saxum: that for this week’s Wind farm of the week we’re heading to New Mexico. The La Joa Wind Farm in New Mexico is, uh, owned by Avan Grid, uh, the completed project, which is two phases. We’ll have 111 turbines in it, and they are built now.

So it has 76 ge, 2.8, one 20 sevens, and [00:26:00] 35 Siemens gaa, 2.61 14 uh, meter. Rotor machines. So the project is located about 10 miles west of the village of Encino. Uh, an interesting thing here, which, uh, if you know, if you’ve worked in wind and you know anything about New Mexico, it’s one of the few places in the US that puts wind farms on state.

Owned and public land. So this wind farm is partially on New Mexico land with, uh, 74 turbines at 207 megawatts of that generation on that state land, which, uh, Avan grid won, um, in 2019 through an open bid process, which is a pretty cool, uh, consideration. Uh, so this project will raise over $41 million for New Mexico public schools, which is fantastic.

And one of the things I wanna highlight here is that this, I was looking Wind Farm of the week and I found an article, and this is from 2020 when this wind farm was first being built and it focused on building it during covid and stuff, and [00:27:00] some really cool things they did there. Um, but back then, the, uh, PNM, uh, which is the, the local grid operator there, generation, the, the vice president Tom Ren, said.

When integrated with our wind, solar, and battery storage, p and m is well underway to not only meet state submissions, free mandate, but well positions us on the hundred, the path to a hundred percent carbon free by 2040. So I know that battery storage has been battery storage, battery storage, battery storage last year or so.

But back in 2020, this wind farm and, and when they kicked this thing off, they were talking about it already. So New Mexico, a little bit ahead of the curve there. So, um, the, the Joy of Wind Farm in New Mexico

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Rosemary previews Pardalote’s new hands-on blade repair course. EverWind’s Ocean Lake, Canada’s largest wind project, will feed a green hydrogen and ammonia plant in Nova Scotia rather than the grid. Plus BP’s exit from an offshore project in Japan, and the wake-effect lawsuit pitting SSE, Equinor, and Vårgrønn against RWE’s Dogger Bank South.

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Allen Hall 2025: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy podcast. I’m your host, Allen Hall. I’m here with Matthew Stead, Yolanda Padron, and Rosemary Barnes is back this week.

Rosemary, you’ve been to a number of training courses over the last couple of weeks. The first off was GWO. What was your experience at GWO training?

Rosemary1: It was the fourth or maybe even fifth time that I’ve done it. Um, I did it a few times in Denmark and then, uh, this is the second time doing it in Australia. also, this was my first time doing first aid in Australia. Last time they did GWO here, but my first aid was still valid from Europe, so I, I didn’t redo it. And it’s like so much about [00:01:00] snakes and spiders and jellyfish But a good, good rule of thumb, not 100% accurate, but good rule of thumb, if it is something from the ocean that stung you, then you put something warm on it, and if it’s something from the land that stung or bit you, then something cold on it,

Allen Hall 2025: well, how often do you usually take GWO training?

Rosemary1: You gotta do it every two years to be valid. I don’t do it every two years because, um, if you do it every two years, like within two years, then you can do the refresher course. So that’s three days instead of four However, um, because I don’t climb constantly, like often it will be six months or more in between climbs, I’ll just do it before I know that I’ve got a climb.

all the other people except for one were technicians who, you know, have been working for a while.

So they’re also doing the full course, not the refresher. So they get a little bit more practice than I do. But, um, it’s just not often enough. Y-you know, like every time I go it’s like I, I really feel the need to have the refresher, um, because I’m just not fully on top of it. ‘Cause it’s [00:02:00] not just that you need to know what to do. You need to be able to… Like if you need to use it, you’re gonna be freaking out, you know?

This is the worst thing that’s probably ever happened in your life, and now you’ve gotta remember all your training. It’s like you want it to be actually second nature to some extent. So yeah, first day is manual handling, which is v- you know, very– That one’s very easy and I would be happy to never do that again.

Like I will always remember that. Um, then you got fire, um, fire safety awareness, and that one’s just fun ’cause you just get to, um, light fires and put stuff out then first aid, which I definitely always want a refresher on.

The CPR dummies at this place, they had lights, um, and it lit up green if you were doing it right, and I haven’t used a dummy that was so advanced before, so that was quite good. I realized I wasn’t pressing hard enough. and then yeah, last two days is working at heights training, which is the most intense ’cause you got your harness on all day and, um, you know, climbing up and down and rescuing people.

this was Rite Training in Goulburn, and, um, the [00:03:00] instructor’s name was Claire. highly recommend doing that one.

Allen Hall 2025: Is that a general requirement in Australia that you have GWO before you can climb?

Rosemary1: Like, yeah, they will sometimes, um, let you climb if you are babysat by people. I would not recommend other engineers, like if you’ve never climbed a wind turbine before, like I would really not recommend that you just go up with a team and haven’t done the training because you do need to be able to use a ladder safely and, um, you can, y- you can easily, like even inside the nacelle, you could easily hurt yourself really badly if you’re used to working in an office, uh, you’re upping your danger level by, you know, like many, many, many times by going up a turbine and it’s just something that you gotta take seriously.

Allen Hall 2025: How busy are the courses in Australia? Are a lot of technicians trying to get in and get trained?

Rosemary1: No, it’s people that have a job that are getting trained. But there were heaps of techs in this course. There were maybe eight or so, which is also part of the reason why it took a really long time.

Allen Hall 2025: So [00:04:00] this week, as we record, y- you’re presenting a blade repair course for engineers and technicians. a completely new area that you’re, uh, going into in terms of offering advice and expertise that it’s really hard to find on the planet. It’s probably a, a, a busy or, or requested course, I would imagine, in Australia, where you just don’t have access to a lot of the manufacturers.

Rosemary2: it’s a, it’s a course for just for engineers or technical type people, um, but including hands-on stuff. So the way that I I forced this to come into being was just the last five years. I, um, you know, I started working a lot on wind turbine blade repairs and, um, people would ask me, you know, “Have these repairs been done right?”

And the thing is that the only repairs that I had anything to do with when I was working at LM were weirdo ones, right? [00:05:00] Where the normal, like a technician couldn’t, couldn’t handle it. It was outside of, um, yeah, their, their standard, uh, kind of repairs that they can do for whatever reason. and now in the work that we do at Part Load, it’s primarily normal repairs, and I just didn’t know exactly what technicians know. You know, how do they, how do they know whether they can repair it or not? What do they know before they go up there?

When are they calling the engineer? Um, all that sort of stuff, like the normal stuff. eventually it became less about me learning, ’cause like I said, I kind of picked up most of it. Um, but now I’ve got staff that I’m training up to be, uh, you know, composites engineers and to work with these kinds of issues. There’s a lot of repetitive tasks involved in what we do when we, like, assess the condition of a wind farm.

A lot of what we do is look main- manually looking through photos and thing- if things are classified right or not. I [00:06:00] Found this guy from Direct Wind Services, Jurij Eska. He’s a blade engineer. He’s worked in Europe and then come back to Australia, so a little bit like me. And, um, I just worked with him on a few projects and I’m like, “Oh, okay. Well, this guy, uh, he really gets it.” And I asked him, “How do you, how do you train your technicians?

What course do they do? Maybe I can do that course.” And he said, “Oh, we train them ourselves.” And so then I asked him to put this course together. So where we started off the course yesterday, that was, um, uh, an indoor session where I was talking through how are blades designed, uh, certified, tested, manufactured, um, what kinds of manufacturing defects can you see and what do they do about them in the factory?

‘Cause you know that they’re doing a lot of repairs in the factory already before you ever see a, a brand new blade. and then the next three days we’re going to be working on, um, yeah, grinding and [00:07:00] infusions and a bit of a, a bit of theory about, um, composite repairs.

Allen Hall 2025: What do you feel like are those key skill sets that engineers should know how to do, maybe not as well as a, a professional technician that does it a lot, but at least at a beginner’s level should be able to complete them before they start repairing blades on their own and giving advice about how to repair blades?

What, what are those key items?

Rosemary2: part of it is that I want them to be able to understand what is a bad damage and what’s not a bad damage cause you look a lot at images from the outside, but it’s really about what’s on the inside and how deep it goes is the real thing.

So, um, it’ll be about learning, you know, developing some judgment about, um, how bad it can be and how bad it can look on the outside. We’re not gonna be looking at so many real damages ’cause like obviously we’re just dealing with pieces that are in the, um, in the, uh, workshop and Yuri has [00:08:00] made some samples for us, um, purposely made them badly so that we’ve got some, you know, damage to find.

Allen Hall 2025: Are you addressing carbon fiber at all?

Rosemary2: Uh, I actually haven’t asked about that. I don’t think so. Carbon fiber is, um, is a real pain to work with because it’s conductive. Like, even grinding it makes a bit of a hazardous work environment. We did talk a little bit about the different materials yesterday and, um, about pultrusions. And actually, it turns out Yuri used to work somewhere where they, uh, manufactured pultrusions, and I had always, I was always under the impression that a pultrusion is, you know, like, perfectly s- perfectly straight.

That’s the point. And he’s like, “No way.” No way. There’s waviness in the pultrusions

Allen Hall 2025: And on March 3rd through 5th at WOMA 2027, Rosie, you’re gonna give part of this course as part of WOMA, right?

Rosemary2: Little, little mini course. We’ll have to decide what, what makes sense to include, ’cause it was… Yeah, I went through really a, a fair [00:09:00]bit about blades yesterday, you know, like why they are shaped the way that they are. So we had to talk about aerodynamics and, um, why they’re made of composite. So we had to talk about, you know, like composite materials, like how, how they, how they work So I don’t know if, uh, people wanna write in comments that m- we should, we should do some sort of, um, poll beforehand to see what are the topics that are most interesting to people, ’cause I think we’ll have a half day, right? So we’ll need to be, we’ll need to be focused.

Allen Hall 2025: the description of repairs and what repairs should look like could be tremendously valuable. Everybody who has seen a repair always wonders, “Was that repair done right?” And s- and if you can have some general tools to know, like, “Uh, maybe there’s something not quite right here,” or, “That looks like a solid repair,” that would be a tremendous help to the industry, p- particularly for asset managers

Rosemary2: Yeah. And you know what I think is even more useful than being able to pick out when it’s wrong is to be able to know when it’s right. You can– Y-you know, like it is so– [00:10:00] It’s such a relief. Like it takes such a mental load off you when you’re just like, “Yeah, that’s all, that’s all good. That’s normal. Okay, I know that that– I knew that that would happen, so this is not a surprise.”

‘ know, once you know you can make that judgment, you can do it very quickly and focus your attention where it should be, so you don’t need to stress for an hour over every repair. You’re just like, “Yeah. Good, good, good, good, good.” And then, “Mm, please explain why you have chosen to not, not repair this, but just put a Band-Aid over it.”

that’s the goal of this training is to get everybody, y-you know, technical people, not people who wanna ever be a blade repair technician. They’ve got their own training that covers what they need to know. But this one is just, yeah, getting people like asset managers or my employees to learn what they need to know about composites, given that they have already got a strong engineering education.

So, um, you know, they know a lot of the stuff, but just need to know the composite-specific stuff and wind turbine blade-specific stuff

I will run this course again, by the [00:11:00] way, ’cause there was a lot of people who wanted to do it I couldn’t fit in. So it’ll happen at least once. I’ll keep on running it until everybody that wants to do it has, has done it. But, um, yeah, feel free

to get in touch

Allen Hall 2025: So if you wanna attend Rosie’s short blade course at WOMA 2027, just visit woma2027.com and register today

Allen Hall 2025: [00:12:00] Well, over in Canada, they just approved a, really a wind farm big enough to power a small city, and almost none of the electricity is going to the grid, which is a very interesting aspect to some of the things that are happening in Canada at the minute.

So up in Nova Scotia, uh, they’ve conditionally approved the Ocean Lake Wind Project. This’d be the largest wind farm in the province’s history. Up to 158 turbines will rise, uh, generating as much as 1.2 gigawatts of power. But this power is not headed to households in Canada. Nearly all of it will be feeding Everwind Fuels’ green hydrogen and ammonia plant at Point Tupper, where clean electrons will become a fuel that can be shipped across the ocean to Europe. And Matthew, there’s been a lot of [00:13:00] projects like this in Europe that have stopped more recently, particularly in northern Europe and up in Scandinavia, uh, on the hydrogen side. Or at least they’ve slowed them down. Canada seems to be going into that breach maybe to fill that void. And is there a marketplace for this to occur up in Canada?

Matthew Stead: Yeah, I think it’s very interesting. Um, you know, like you say, a number of canceled projects, and in Australia there’s been numerous canceled projects. So I like, um, the analogy or use of the term hopium rather than hydrogen, um, where, um, everyone’s hoping hydrogen will be the answer. Um, although, you know, what I, what I’ve read and understood is that, um, you know, the commercials just don’t really stack up and, um, yeah. So in terms of South Australia anyway, um, there was some major, um, hydrogen, uh, development planned with, um, you know, it, it never stacked up. So, you know, it sounds like a great [00:14:00] idea, um, but I’m not sure that the commercials will ever stack up unless you’ve got that guaranteed offtake for the, for the ammonium

Allen Hall 2025: Yolanda, what kind of uphill battle is this to get this wind farm up and running knowing that it’s one customer and that commercial market is a little shaky at the minute?

Yolanda Padron: what we saw, they have a lot of ca- caveats, right? So they’ve, they need to secure the customers before they start building and before they do anything, um, behind the meter. But it’s, I mean, it’s, it’s a pretty big wind farm, and it’s pretty far up north. But I mean, we, we talked to someone in, in northern US today who was having icing issues.

So I mean, of course we know Canada is no, no stranger to that, if they do make it work, I think it’d be really, really exciting to, to have sort of one technology power another, um, instead of just what we’ve been hearing a lot of the potential data centers and, and just wind po- [00:15:00] powering data centers.

Matthew Stead: Why not data centers? You know, seriously, like you said, Yolanda. why not go something that does have commercial demand?

Yolanda Padron: we’ve talked a lot about the potential of da- data centers, right? And we’ve talked a lot about people wanting to do them. Um, but there’s also a lot of talk of potentially doing data centers up in space and a lot of talk of maybe what if we do it offshore or, you know. And so I think there’s a lot of what ifs with data centers.

Of course, there’s a lot of what if with this, but just from a technology standpoint, I think this is really intriguing to have something that’s, that’s a little bit even more out there than what we’ve heard so far

Allen Hall 2025: Is it a build it and they will come type of s- situation here that hydrogen and ammonia may be the, the first offtake, but realistically, if that doesn’t work out, they can still connect to the grid and feed Canada, feed the Northeast of the United States or something else

Matthew Stead: Also, um, like Japan has [00:16:00] also expressed strong demand for, um, ammonia, and so, you know, they- they’re on the East Coast, aren’t they? So, you know, shipping it from East Coast to Japan is not gonna be so, so easy. I stick by what I said before. It’s hopium. it’s not a plan

Allen Hall 2025: I just saw an article today talking about Airbus continuing on with a hydrogen aircraft, and I think they were gonna work with a Japanese firm to work on that together. Six months ago I thought that died, but maybe it’s still in the offering. Maybe there’s an offtake for hydrogen. B- besides the, you know, replacement for some of the, uh, more unpleasant gases that are used in steel production and in some other industry things, maybe part of this is airplane fuel.

Which ammonia is one of those offerings also, right? The, there’s been a number of efforts to turn ammonia fuel into essentially jet fuel. They configure the engines to burn ammonia, which is a possibility. It does seem remote though, [00:17:00] honestly. There doesn’t seem to be a huge pull for hydrogen, and there’s not a, a major market for ammonia at at least at the moment.

So I don’t know. It, it’s… When you’re talking about gigawatts of capacity you’re gonna build, you, you hopefully have an offtake

for it

Yolanda Padron: if they designed it for it being not connected to the grid, right, it just is kind of like a behind the meter thing, and then could they later retrofit it into there? Like, how would all that permitting and everything

Allen Hall 2025: I–

well, that’s a great question. I– There are a number of, uh, connections between the United States and Canada at the moment. guess is that when they place this wind farm, they have that alternate route lined up, just like any wind farm in here in the States, that you’ll find them real close to high-voltage transmission lines.

Generally, those are the easy ones because transmission lines cost money and take time for permitting. I’m not sure Canada has those kind of restrictions, right? But Nova Scotia is not the easiest place in the world to do heavy construction work, just the [00:18:00] nature of Nova Scotia. It will be fascinating to see how they progress with this, but it’s something to keep an eye on because a lot of other projects like this have slowed down

Matthew Stead: Do you remember when some of the OEMs were talking about, um, putting electrolyzers on their offshore wind turbines? So the, the theory, the theory was you’ve got offshore wind turbine, you don’t connect it to the grid standalone, um, and you generate hydrogen or, uh, possibly ammonia on the actual wind turbine.

And then every now and then you just decant it, you know, drive up with a boat, you know, plug in the hose, and then suck out the hydrogen or ammonia. So, um, yeah, once again, all of those have gone quiet, haven’t

they?

Allen Hall 2025: speaking of Japan, a global oil giant is walking away from the Japanese offshore wind project, uh, but the project’s not dying. BP has told its Japanese partners it intends to withdraw from a wind farm planned off Yamagata Prefecture, uh, apparently worried about [00:19:00] profitability. The 450-megawatt project sits, uh, just off the coast, and it is led by trading house Marubeni, which says it will press ahead without BP.

Kansai Electric and Tokyo Gas remain on board also. So BP’s exit follows really a, a brutal year for Japan, where Mitsubishi has, and some others, have pulled out of, uh, at least three projects so far, uh, over rising construction costs, and I think a lot of that’s tied to inflation. Uh, the ambition’s still there for, uh, for a number of companies, but it’s just getting harder and harder to do projects in Japan.

Is this just the nature of the economy in Japan at the moment, or is this more about Japanese policy on the offtake,

Matthew Stead: I, I’m not really deep into the details but, you know, it just appears to me like a blip. I mean, there, I think there’s a lot of commitment in Japan to, you know, carry [00:20:00] out their offshore developments and I, I think this is probably more just a blip, um, and a little, you know, internal corporate, you know, argument rather than a sustained issue on offtake agreements and so forth

Allen Hall 2025: Well, Yolanda, how hard is it to keep partners on a wind development in general? Are there a lot of moving pieces there until the turbines hit the water or hit the

earth?

there’s

Yolanda Padron: I think a lot of moving pieces, but not, uh, I haven’t seen a lot of changes once it’s been publicly announced and everything’s, you know, everything’s been signed and everything. Um, I do think this is really interesting. I know we’ve talked a lot about, about having, about the idea of like sometimes people think wind’s really expensive, and the way that we’re gonna make wind work is just making it cheaper for everybody and just optimizing it as much as possible, um, and, and just being, having the turbines be as resilient as possible, right?

And I think such a strong player just backing out maybe [00:21:00] will incentivize some of the people in Japan to sort of try to see how they can optimize it a little bit more. I’m really excited to see it. I don’t know. It’d be… I think it’d be a nice it

Allen Hall 2025: Isn’t the bonus to offshore wind the price stability? Although the price may be higher today than you may be happy to pay, the stability of that price is a huge leverage point when you compare it to things like oil and gas or natural gas, um, in particular, which are highly volatile, that for electricity, at least you have this fairly steady source at a fixed price that you can plan out 10 years, 20 years, 25 years, maybe even 30 years. And as batteries become more prevalent on the grid, that the math even gets better over the years. Isn’t that the bonus? And, and if [00:22:00] everybody can focus on the long-term effects to the economy is where all the action will be?

Matthew Stead: Yeah, I mean, when I first, um, started looking into wind, you know, 10 plus years ago, I, I won- wondered why. Why would you build offshore with all that expense? And then, you know, it became clear to me just around the, um, you know, the diversity, you know, the, the fact that you might get more wind at times that you don’t get onshore wind, and the fact that it’s more consistent.

Um, yeah, and, you know, so those… I- it’s really a trade-off, isn’t it? Between the capital costs and the, um, more reliable, more consistent, um, offshore wind. So I think, you know, I, I was convinced at the start, I thought it was crazy, but then obviously it’s, it’s a, it’s a… it makes sense

Yolanda Padron: Yeah, I agree. And I think, uh, depending on where you’re having your offshore wind farm, you run into things that you maybe haven’t run into before, right? I know onshore we run into a lot of things in the [00:23:00]US and Australia that we, you know, the, the turbines just maybe weren’t designed for, or there wasn’t a lot of research being done because it was being done in Europe and, and the conditions are really different.

Um, and just the same way, you know, the sea is different in different places. There’s different depths. There are diff- different things that you need to worry about. but yeah, I, I completely agree that there’s a lot more generation, um, offshore. It’s, it’s bigger turbines. Um, there can be bigger, larger costs. You know, if you need to do a blade replacement or something, it, it can get, again, really expensive really quickly. But, but it’s, it’s a trade-off for sure.

Allen Hall 2025: We’re gonna take a quick break, but when we come back, we wanna talk about a place where wind is being fought over versus projects slowing down ​

[00:24:00] over in the UK, there’s a big fight about offshore wind, and not just about where wind turbines will be planted, but more about how they will affect other wind turbines.

So RWE is defending the UK government’s approval of its three-gigawatt Dogger Bank South project, which won its consent order, uh, basically a month and a half ago. Uh, but the developers next door are taking that approval to court. Equinor, SSE, Vårgrön own the neighboring 3.6-gigawatt Dogger Bank wind farm, and they have filed for j-judicial review.

Their argument is technical, but the price tag is not. They say wake effects, where one wind farm steals the wind from another due to turbulence, could cut their output and cost them between €500 million and [00:25:00] €669 million over the life of their project. That’s a lot of money, Matthew. A half a million euros is not something to ignore.

It looks like this is headed to some judicial court or maybe arbitration. Wake effects, which are actually not that well understood from what I can tell at the moment, there’s a lot of discussion and argument about, uh, how real are they or, or what effect they can have on power output. Uh, there’s a lot of money at stake, and the location of some of these wind farms is pretty close to one

another

Matthew Stead: you know, we always, always talk about, you know, AEP loss and, you know, the, the challenge is actually measuring it. And, um, you know, I’ve heard different numbers, but, you know, plus or minus half a percent of AEP loss, um, appears to me from what– in discussions, you know, the, the limit of what you can actually ever measure on a good day.

Um, I just wonder, I mean, while those numbers, you know, €500, um, [00:26:00] million is a, is a big number, um, but what is that as a percentage of the overall output of that, of that facility? Um, I, I don’t know the answer, but, you know, if, if it’s, you know, half a percent, I think you’d be struggling to, um, struggling to justify that, that wake effect loss.

I mean, you know, going back to what you said, Allen, you know, there are wake effects of some sort, but it’s a question of how much. I mean, that-that’s why aircraft don’t take off, um, too closely, isn’t it? Because there’s wake effects. Um, so it’s definitely a given, definitely a given. Um, but, you know, how much of an impact it truly is.

Um, and I mean, there’s always other variables, you know, variables in the weather, you know, wind patterns, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, and how much do this– does this actually compare to those other, other variables?

Allen Hall 2025: Yolanda, how would you even mitigate wake turbulence on an adjacent wind farm? Are there ways to do that today?

Yolanda Padron: I think the, the aerodynamics, Allen, would [00:27:00] be a lot more in your court than, than in mine.

Matthew does have a really good point. I mean, what are we… With the UK wanting to ramp up offshore as much as they want to ramp up, right? They’re not going to just cancel a large project, and they need to… I mean, it’s not, uh, there’s a finite amount of space, right? So what, I mean, what, what are you, what are you gonna do?

It’s like, it’s what, like, what happens in onshore where you, you really hope maybe that you don’t get a wind farm that’s really, really close by. Um, but you might also want to plan for it. I mean, I know of sites that have le- that lease a little bit of extra land so that way no one else can lease it, or that they can, they can use that to, to travel between turbines.

Um, and it’s, I mean, it’s, it’s kind of… Isn’t it kind of just part of it, part of the trade?

Allen Hall 2025: it has to be, right, at some point. [00:28:00] The question in my mind about all this is how much wake is there? Is it directly impacting the adjacent wind farm? Is there– are there things that can be done to minimize that wake turbulence? I think the answer is yes, but as wind turbine blade designers, I haven’t seen the same level of wake reduction that we have seen more recently in aerospace.

It’s complicated to do some of these things on a wind turbine blade. You’re mass-producing. You’re making a blade a day or a blade in a day-and-a-half timeframe. Are you gonna design this really aerodynamic tip to go on to reduce the wake on a particular wind farm? Probably not, right? So it’s, it’s– is it worth doing that versus the, the cost it would be?

So it’s gonna cost 500 million euros in loss to an adjacent wind farm. Do you put that 500 million into the design effort and the molds and [00:29:00]everything else to make these blades different? Uh, it’s a tight trade-off, right? It– from the engineering side. It may be better settled in the courts, honestly. Just it may be cheaper to do it that way.

Matthew Stead: Uh, I, I was gonna go down a different avenue. I mean, obviously there’s always curtailment. There’s always curtailment due to grid congestion, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, maintenance. I mean, if they, if they just– when wind is coming from a certain direction, they could just de-rate and, uh, just not absorb as much energy, um, out of the wind when the wind is coming from that sector.

And so that would be a way of, um, not modifying the turbine, just de-rating it under a certain wind condition. I mean, the same thing occurs with noise curtailment all the time. Um, so there’s, there’s noise modes. There could be a, a wake loss mode. We should trademark that

Allen Hall 2025: Well, you know who’s gonna make money out of this no matter what? The

lawyers.

Allen Hall 2025: [00:30:00] Well, in this quarter’s PES Wind magazine, there are a number of great articles, and you can download the entire magazine and all those great articles at peswind.com. There’s a nice little article from Enerpac Tool Group, and if you’re not familiar with them, they make a, a number of tools that are handy in the wind industry.

Uh, and, you know, routine torque checks is kind of a pain, right? And the problem with a lot of those checks is that you have to haul around a heavy hydraulic pump to do it. And so if you’ve ever been to a trade show and seen some of these [00:31:00] pumps, it is a pain. And if you h- have to move around, especially on a w- wind site a lot, you really don’t wanna have a heavy pump that maybe is made for something, uh, more robust.

Uh, and you need something that’s portable. That’s what you really need, right? So the Enerpac Tool Group has really created this, uh, LU series they call. Which is a lightweight, portable, hydraulic pump, which is for intermittent work, which is what happens on most wind sites. It’s intermittent. Uh, so the product line director, Angie Wallace, uh, talks about this and says technician feedback has shaped this new tool, uh, from multiple carrying handles and an upward-facing gauge.

And that is a big thumbs up from me. When you put the gauge on the side of the tool where you can’t see it, such a problem. It’s like they’ve never used it. Well, obviously, the Enerpac has been talking to technicians, and they put the gauge where the technician can actually see it. Uh, and it’s designed to go through towers and, and tight [00:32:00] spaces.

Uh, so this is made specifically for offshore conditions. It’s ruggedized, and it’s a great tool. And a lot of times, Matthew, when you s- see the technicians about and some of the tools they carry, you’re like, man, that is not a good tool for this. That is, that is too much to be hauling around, particularly uptower.

It’s nice that we can see some tools that are designed job

Matthew Stead: I, I’m completely convinced. I, I don’t have much to say. Um, I mean, my, my day job is, um, you know, designing products and working out what products we’re going to, to work on, and, you know, the customer is the main voice you should listen to, um, at least in the first step. So always listen to the customer first, and I think from what you’ve described, customer first, and then develop the product to suit the application.

Yeah, so yeah, I’m convinced

Allen Hall 2025: Yolanda, you’ve seen Interpack on sites, haven’t you? It does seem like I run across them once in a while at some of the US

sites

Yolanda Padron: Every once [00:33:00] in a while. I do gotta say I love the idea of when, like, actual, like, boots on the ground people’s feedback is taken into consideration for, for anything really. And so this is, this just makes me really happy because I think a lot of times, like, as engineers, like, we love the idea of just, oh, I’m gonna do this really cool fancy thing, and then it’s just it- no one can use it, or a very specialized person has to be able to use it.

And so actually doing, you know, modifying a product so that it, it makes sense for the people using it, and I know we’ve, we’ve all talked about it a lot internally and, and we continue to work towards making it easier and easier on, on the people actually installing the product. Like, this is, this is really exciting.

Allen Hall 2025: So if you need a lightweight pump for tightening some bolts uptower, particularly if you’re offshore, take a look at this Enerpac line of LU lightweight series tools. It’s well worth it. And at that same time, you should check out PES Wind magazine. Just go to [00:34:00] peswind.com

That wraps up another episode of the Uptime Wind Energy podcast. If today’s discussion sparked any questions or ideas, we’d love to hear from you. Reach out directly to Rosemary, and don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode. for yolonda, Matthew, and Rosemary, I’m Allen Hall, and we’ll see you here next week on the Uptime Wind Energy podcast.

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Looks like communism! is the new mantra of the GOP.  It’s coming from the least intelligent of their leaders to the least intelligent of their followers.

Could work!

Ben Carson on NEWSMAX!

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Obama on the Middle East

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What Obama says at left is a reminder that life in on Earth is tough enough without the planet’s most nation being led by a criminal sociopath.

Obama on the Middle East

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