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Every two years, Duke Energy is required to file a plan with utility regulators that outlines different portfolios of new and existing resources that will be available to meet anticipated future energy demand while also attempting to meet carbon reduction targets. This Carbon Plan is developed with computer modeling software (called EnCompass) that is highly sensitive to input assumptions.

After Duke’s proposed Carbon Plan is filed, advocates and interested parties can examine and challenge Duke’s modeling and assumptions. This post gives a detailed look at testimony that identifies points of bias in Duke Energy’s North Carolina Carbon Plan Integrated Resource Plan (CPIRP).

Read the Blog Series on Duke’s 2024 CPIRP

Computer Models are Only as Good – or as Bad – as the Information They’re Fed

SACE and our allies (Sierra Club and NRDC, represented by SELC, and in partnership with NCSEA) hired Dr. Maria Roumpani, an independent consultant, to examine Duke’s plan and the modeling assumptions. Dr. Roumpani’s extensive analysis identified numerous issues that bias Duke’s plan against the swift replacement of aging, dirty coal plants with renewable energy, and instead cause the plan to favor a major new fleet of fossil gas plants.

Duke presented three “Pathways” that attempt to meet its increasing load forecast, with Pathway 1 retiring coal the earliest and overall being the cleanest of the three, and Pathway 2 being an intermediate option. Pathway 3, Duke’s preferred portfolio, includes 6,800 MW of new combined cycle gas plants, 2,100 MW of new combustion turbines (sometimes called “peakers”), the delayed retirement of parts of its coal fleet, and a five-year delay in complying with the 2030 North Carolina carbon reduction requirements.

Duke’s Biases Lead to Skewed Results:

Dr. Roumpani’s findings show that Duke overestimates the reliability of fossil resources, underestimates reliability risks and regulatory costs of fossil resources, overestimates the costs of clean energy resources, artificially limits the performance potential of clean energy resources, and completely ignores additional resources that can be utilized to decarbonize the system while reliably meeting the forecasted demand. The result is an artificial cost advantage for Pathway 3 (which proposes delayed climate action) over Pathway 1 (which would include swift coal plant retirements). Dr. Roumpani found that Duke’s artificial modeling limitations make this result “almost pre-determined.”

Solar Build Limits: Within its computer model, Duke set annual build limits on how much solar, wind, and batteries can be added to the grid each year, with the most restrictive limits in the near term. Duke cites interconnection limitations as a reason to limit solar, but Dr. Roumpani notes that they do not include strategies to eliminate these limitations, such as demand side resources, load management options, transmission enhancements, and consideration of alternative load forecasts. (pp. 12-13)

Clean Portfolio Premiums: Duke placed a 20 percent “cost risk premium” on all capital costs in Pathway 1 – the cleanest of the three portfolios. As Dr. Roupmani states, “(T)he Companies take an extra step to undermine the one portfolio that includes higher levels of renewable resources…. This approach is not reasonable, especially because the Company has chosen not to quantify other risks…. The sole purpose of this adder seems to be to undermine P1 when comparing the costs with P2 and P3.” (pp. 78-79) Duke also includes an 8 percent cost adder, declining until 2030, on all supply side resources in all portfolios to reflect cost uncertainties. This adder disappears in 2030, so it only minimally impacts new gas units, but it penalizes faster deployment of clean resources like solar and battery storage.

Reliability Penalty on Renewables: Duke uses a reliability metric called Effective Load Carrying Capability (ELCC) that sharply discounts the value of solar, wind, and batteries. ELCC is a measure of a resource’s ability to send energy to the grid when there may be energy supply shortfalls. Duke does not apply this same measure to coal and gas plants in its EnCompass modeling.  Dr. Roumpani notes this results in an uneven playing field. (P. 67) Instead, Duke models coal and gas as if they are almost completely reliable, when in fact they experience outages and are particularly prone to failure during extreme weather. Because Duke’s model assumes that the coal fleet is reliable, when coal retires it overestimates the amount of solar, wind, and batteries that would be needed to take the place of coal.

The unreliability of the coal and fossil gas fleet was included one particular calculation called the reserve margin, but it was not reflected in the remainder of its modeling. The reserve margin is a percentage of extra generation above peak forecasted demand that can be available if power plants or transmission lines are down. If a utility has an efficient and well-maintained fleet, it should have a lower reserve margin, which then lowers the cost to ratepayers. In this instance, however, Duke has incorporated the fleet failures from Winter Storm Elliott into its reserve margin calculation, and Dr. Roumpani noted that this element alone inflated the reserve margin by 2.5 percent (p. 37). So the reliability risk was incorporated where it supported a higher reserve margin, but it was not incorporated in the modeling where it would lower the amount of fossil fuels in the plan. To put some numbers on the impact: Duke has projected a combined revised peak load of over 3,700 MW, so a reserve margin that is 2.5 percent higher would lead to one additional 900 MW gas plant in the plan.

Battery Storage: Duke limits the role of battery energy storage by imposing annual build limits in its modeling, overstating costs, ignoring the grid benefits provided, assuming a 20 percent cost risk premium (mentioned above) to capital costs in the cleaner Pathway 1, and completely omitting long-duration energy storage.

Duke also added “integration costs” for solar and solar plus storage but did not include the flexibility savings that pairing solar with storage provides, thus overstating the cost of these resources. (p. 82) Energy storage that is integrated with solar saves the gas or oil fuel costs that would be incurred by ramping a peaker up and down to manage the variability of the solar.

In addition, Duke has chosen to rely on capital-intensive emerging technologies, such as Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) and hydrogen, while ignoring the rapid development and adoption of more nimble resources such as long-duration energy storage (LDES) technologies. SMRs and gas/hydrogen turbines perpetuate a rigid supply system that cannot adapt to a rapidly changing technology and policy landscape. (Read more about the problems with this rigid plan here.) This locks ratepayers in to both infrastructure costs and fuel supply risks. Duke included hydrogen in its model, but not LDES.

And when Duke vetted the modeling outcomes for reliability, only gas resources were allowed to fill any gaps. Battery storage was not considered, nor were the additional grid benefits that storage provides. (P. 70)

Coal: In Pathway 1, coal retirements are condensed to earlier years where they coincide with strict clean resource build limits, forcing the model to select new gas units because 1) the capacity of retiring coal exceeds Duke’s annual build limit for clean resources and 2) additional options such as long-duration energy storage and demand-side resources are not a selectable option in the model. In modeling of all Pathways, Duke did not allow any coal retirements before 2029, the period with the strictest limits on clean resources. Roumpani noted “Even if one coal unit could economically retire in 2028 and be replaced by solar plus storage, this retirement would not be reflected in the results given the Companies’ modeling constraints.” (p. 21)

Certain coal retirements were artificially delayed in the model in order to wait specifically for new proposed gas capacity to come online rather than opening that replacement capacity up to all resources. In addition, Duke artificially delayed the retirement of the Belews Creek coal plant until 2036 because the site is “well suited” for Advanced Nuclear, an unproven, risky, and likely expensive option. Ratepayers could pay for the most polluting, least reliable resource (coal) while waiting indefinitely for an expensive, never-proven replacement (Advanced Nuclear) instead of converting quickly to well-known solar, wind, storage, and demand-side resources.

Duke’s coal fleet has grown increasingly unreliable as it ages, but this is not captured fully in the modeling. In addition to increasing maintenance issues, the coal fleet has weather-related reliability issues. Coal piles and mechanical parts freeze during extreme low temperatures. As this analysis of Winter Storm Elliott shows, the majority of the power plant failures on the Duke system during that major reliability event occurred within its aging coal fleet:

Source: Roumpani Testimony p. 35, created by South Carolina Office of Regulatory Staff

In addition to these technical biases, Roumpani identifies risks related to coal that are inherently not captured in the modeling, including risks caused by a declining workforce, a supply chain that does not respond quickly to demand volatility, an increased need to rely on higher sulfur coal with related higher environmental compliance costs, reduced economies of scale, and increasing mining costs and rail transportation disruptions. (pp. 28-29)

Finally, Dr. Roumpani points out that the new EPA carbon pollution standards were not incorporated into the modeling, rendering its coal retirement schedule noncompliant. For instance, Duke’s plan would retain two coal-fired units at Roxboro past the 2032 deadline that would require a huge and unaccounted-for financial investment in carbon capture and storage in order to continue operating. (pp 26-27)

Gas: Dr. Roumpani notes that the selection of new gas capacity in the model “stems from an artificial lack of alternatives at a time of high load growth” (emphasis added, p. 47). The annual build limits for solar and battery storage, mentioned above, handicap clean resources in the modeling and result in an overbuild of fossil resources. Dr. Roumpani notes that Duke’s modeling consistently hit predetermined build limits set by Duke for clean resources, suggesting that removing or easing those limits would lead to the selection of additional clean resources instead of gas.

She also reveals that the net cost to upgrade new and existing fossil plants to meet the requirements of the new EPA carbon pollution standards is not reflected in the three portfolios. In an earlier filing, Duke did develop two supplement portfolios that modeled 1) running fossil gas units below the level that would invoke EPA compliance costs and 2) running fossil gas units on hydrogen. The cost of those portfolios increased Duke’s present value revenue requirement by $3.6 billion and $10.5 billion, respectively. These cost impacts were not included, however, in Duke’s most recent filing. (p. 52)

“By investing in new gas plants, the Companies lock customers into a risky pathway with no clear avenue to comply with the then proposed and now final regulation. The lack of a viable compliance option reveals how risky the presented Pathways are. Investing in such high volumes of new gas generation cannot be considered a least-cost, least-risk portfolio, especially when compared to a more balanced approach with additional no-regrets investments in renewable energy, energy storage, demand response, and energy efficiency, technologies that are not subject to policy risks, and have exhibited reliable and consistent cost declines.” Roumpani direct testimony at page 53

The fuel supply risk of gas is also overlooked. An electricity system fueled by fossil gas is dependent upon the gas supply system. But while reliability of the electricity supply system is overseen by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) and North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC), there is no such equivalent agency overseeing the reliability of the fossil gas supply system. In addition to issues at the plant itself, gas power plants can prove unreliable if they do not have fuel because supply or pipeline systems are impacted by extreme weather.

No Biases, No Regrets

Dr. Roumpani’s recommendation to Duke and to the NCUC is clear: “(T)he Companies should invest in a no-regrets, flexible portfolio, including demand side resources and transmission enhancements, while primarily consisting of modular, scalable, and quickly deployable clean energy resources that mitigate ratepayers’ exposure to fuel price volatility, and the quickly changing market and policy environment.” (p. 16)

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The Chinese ownership of American farmland is less than 0.00036, or 0.036%.  To put this into perspective, if the entirety of U.S. farmland were reduced to one acre, the Chinese government and business interests would own less than 15 square feet, about half the size of a small broom closet.

Yet, true to form, this is a huge issue for the MAGA base.

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This guy is quite effective in talking to uneducated, conservative Americans, most of whom have never traveled to, or even read anything about the happiest countries on Earth.

If I were going to make a statement about the relationship between social justice and despotism, I would at least consider the lives of the people in places that consider social justice to be something of importance, and compare/contrast this to the list of the countries that are perennially at the top of the World Happiness Rankings.

What makes the people in New Zealand, Iceland, Costa Rica, Northern Europe, etc., so happy?  Why do these are these nations suffer exactly zero despotism?

I would be completely ashamed of myself if I were to forward a political theory that had precisely no basis in fact.

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Technical Training Academy Expands Across Renewables

Nick Martocci, founder of Technical Training Academy in Las Vegas, joins to discuss expanding from wind technician training to other energy technologies and career pathways for veterans in energy.

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Allen Hall: Nick, welcome back to the program. We’re Tower Trading Academy. Now your technical trading Academy since we last spoke and we last spoke at OM and S in Nashville. Yep. Now we’re here in Orlando. A lot’s changed over the last year.

Nick Martocci: We went through a lot of growth and changes, if you will, to the point where, because I added the program from just wind turbine technician to battery energy storage technician as well.

And obviously like always I’ve got something brewing behind the green curtain. Right, right. Uh, we’re, we’re always doing something and adding and changing training. And what we really did is get to a place where we’re getting really technical with some of the things that we’re doing. And what I did want to [00:01:00] do is rebrand, go through all of the, you know, uh, marketing and pieces again, and try to change things.

And so I tried to find what was the most simplistic, easy pivot, but also kept us out in the people’s eye. Yeah. And we went to Technical Training Academy. So we really didn’t have to do a whole heavy rebrand. We didn’t have to change a lot, but those that are already working with us, it was just letting them know, Hey, we are still Legally Tower Training Academy.

Even the Department of Labor recognizes that, uh, we just have a DBA in place and the DBA doing business as, uh, allows us to now really open that up as far as what are we capable of doing when it comes to. Deliverables for, you know, people in energy and those types of security places.

Allen Hall: Well, I’ve been watching your shorts.

I, they’re on YouTube or on LinkedIn. They’re really good. The little clips about what you [00:02:00] guys are up to, they’re excellent. And the, what I follow, because I, I met you several times, it was just kind of cool to follow the progression there. The state of Nevada has recognized you. There’s a lot of, uh, congratulatory, uh, events that are happening and like, all right, Hey, Nick’s making this thing happen because it’s so hard to be in that training business.

Mm-hmm. To get to where you have brought that whole company. Two is all right. This, this is a, this is a good spot.

Nick Martocci: Yeah. Uh, you’re

Allen Hall: making some progress

Nick Martocci: there. We had Susie Lee’s office last year help us announce the Battery Energy Storage Program, so there was a congressional recognition there as well. Uh, we’ve also been working with other local politicians and things of that nature to be able to showcase some of the things that not just TTA is doing, but veterans and energy.

Because of my partnership with Project Vanguard, I am a state, uh, representative [00:03:00] for Project Vanguard in the state of Nevada. So it’s another piece of also being able to showcase, hey, this is not just what TTA is doing, but what are veterans doing in energy? And I want to be able to not only highlight, you know, obviously TTA, but those pieces as well.

And whatever you state, you know, the veteran pieces, obviously legislators will listen, if that makes sense. That when you start saying, Hey, a veteran is speaking legislation. We’ll quiet down for a second to see, hey, what is this rumble that you guys are creating? And they start to see what we’re doing and they wanna be a part of that.

Allen Hall: Well, I think that’s wonderful. And all the effort and time that you put towards veterans and veteran efforts. Mm-hmm. Thank you so much for doing that. You’re a veteran, you’re a helicopter pilot, you served Yep. Uh, for a number of years. That’s a difficult job. I, you know, obviously the US is involved in some activity at the moment, but.

You know, shout out to all the veterans out there, [00:04:00] obviously. And, and there’s a lot of ’em in renewable energy right now.

Nick Martocci: Well, I mean, not just renewables, but energy, period. ’cause I, I speak to a lot of veterans throughout my downtime, if you’ll say I have that. And you know, the, there’s people that are PMs, program project managers, there are folks that are doing logistics, warehouse hr, and seeing that movement migration.

Of transitioning individuals from active duty, even some folks that are in my program that are in the guard and now getting into a position where, hey, you know, I’m a technician. I’m in energy. Whether they’re a wind turbine tech, they’re in battery, solar, hydro, what have you. Uh, there are quite a number of veterans in the energy market and industry.

Allen Hall: So if you’re a veteran right now or just exiting, uh, the military. I, I think a lot of opportunity is there. They may not [00:05:00] realize. Mm-hmm. Uh, so getting trained up is a lot easier than it used to be. I remember years ago, I think I, we knew people that came outta the military and, and they were just sort of tossed out the door and had to go find things for themselves.

There’s a lot more resources now I would Right. I it feel like than there were even a couple of years ago. And it’s people like you that are kind of bridging that gap for the military to, to get people onboard, to get people trained, to get ’em out in. And doing work in the civilian world, that’s huge.

Nick Martocci: Yeah.

There’s so many leadership traits and skills that veterans already bring to the table. It’s a matter of taking some of those skills that maybe they, you know, worked in motor T and uh, and the motor pools, and they were turning wrenches and fixing, you know, Humvees and other, you know, mechanical vehicles, or they were.

Um, A and p, so airframe and power plant for, uh, aviation and things of that nature. Sure. So now they understand these different types of systems. Already it’s a matter of, oh, how, [00:06:00] how do I transition this over to wind? How do I transition this over to solar? How do I transition this to battery and such? And then be able to pick that up?

It, it, it makes it easier for them because of the familiarity, if you will. To be able to say, Hey, this is very similar to that. All I gotta do is change this information here and now I’m good to go.

Allen Hall: Right. And Project Vanguard’s helping with that a a great deal.

Nick Martocci: Oh yeah. You talked about Project Vanguard, if you don’t know what that is, so Project Vanguard is an initiative to help veterans get into renewable energy careers, utilizing the network that we already have because.

Um, America’s energy is our security as well, and so who better to help take care of the nation’s security of energy than veterans who have already been doing it. And so being able to help individuals, like I said, not always be a technician. Maybe they wanna be able to get into, uh, program or project management.

Maybe they want to get into hr. And by utilizing the [00:07:00] vast network that Project Vanguard has, it, it gives them that ease of entrance and access that maybe they didn’t have before.

Allen Hall: Well, that’s the key. Finding out where those opportunities lie, and it’s hard to do that on your own. Right. Reaching out for some help is the right answer, I think all the time.

And every, especially now, uh, there’s a lot of, uh, military focused companies that, like technical training Academy that are bridging that gap and, and absolutely. That’s fantastic. Now, the amount of training you’re doing on site is impressive and you’re, you’re growing. You’re into Best now, and you’re into more, more and more training, doing some OSHA training.

So there’s a lot of resources available and the website’s been updated. Right. And I think a lot of people are, go to the website, just Google it. You can get there. But the offerings are getting more expansive. The, the technical details are getting deeper into the aspects of all parts of the industry,

Nick Martocci: right?

We’ve worked with, uh, a few entities, uh, to name Drop Ner [00:08:00] and um, destructible. They’ve donated quite a bit of different pieces for our training programs, for blades, for brake systems and things of that nature. For us to be able to take our program to that next level and actually put what technicians are going to be putting their hands on in our training places rather than something as simple as a, uh, like an theory plate piece and actually putting something that a manufacturer is building for these entities.

And saying, Hey, here, this is the exact same thing you’re gonna see, uh, they donated a, a unit that goes to a GE one X, but you know, if you go out to a four X, it’s gonna be the same thing, just a little bigger.

Allen Hall: Bigger. Right,

Nick Martocci: right. And, and so it, it makes it so that it goes from serious hands-on theory to, oh, I’ve seen something just like this, but it was a little smaller.

This is just bigger. I get it. Same thing. And so with destructible being able to make those donations for blades and other pieces. Uh, we’re putting together a LPS program, lightning [00:09:00] Protection Systems. Oh,

Allen Hall: good.

Nick Martocci: And so that’s something That’s awesome. Yeah, it’s something that, it’s a

Allen Hall: lightning protection company.

That’s fantastic.

Nick Martocci: You know, uh, there’s a lot of stuff coming down the pipe for all of those additional pieces. We, we even revamped our whole website when we did the name change back in July, and it allows people to be able to go in and see all those pieces that we’re doing. One of the things is we became a Sprat facility, so being able to do rope access, especially when it comes to those offshore technicians and things of that nature.

So we’re gonna be able to. Help out the wind industry with a lot more of those pieces that they’re looking for. Uh, like I said, the rope access, they’re definitely gonna need, uh, for offshore and things of that nature. Uh, being able to do LPS training, there’s so many other pieces. I’m gonna try not to reveal that we’re working on that are in addition to just the apprenticeship program, but okay.

Somebody went out to the field, I want to get a certification in. Become better SME in this piece and start putting building blocks into people’s [00:10:00]careers.

Allen Hall: Well, that’s the key, right? It it’s the industry’s grown to be more SMEs being on site.

Nick Martocci: Yep.

Allen Hall: And there you have your gearbox people, you have your electrical, diagnosing, debugging people that are out there.

And I think as the industry evolves, we’re gonna have more subject matter experts on sites. Mm-hmm. Doing LPS systems, doing gear boxes, handling some of the electrical things that are happening, even in blades and blade repair. They’re becoming more of subject matter experts. ’cause you have people that, that’s what they do.

They are the expert in fixing this particular kind of blade problem. And they make a great living doing that.

Nick Martocci: And uh, one of the other things that we’re doing is the complimentary training. Right. And what I mean by that is I’ve partnered with, uh, CSN

Allen Hall: Oh Good

Nick Martocci: College of Southern Nevada. Uh, I’m also partnering with some other universities and working on those pieces because I understand that technicians, as they grow in this industry, they want to be able to do other [00:11:00] things, whether that be be a pm, be an engineer.

They want to be able to go and get that piece. And so if I can help refer through our partnerships. Hey, if you want to go get your construction management at CSN, we’re a preferred partner, go talk to. This individual and we can actually, rather than say, Hey, go forth and do great things, we can actually say, Hey, you need to speak to this person, and you know what?

Better yet, let me do an email intro. Making it easier for the end user to actually now say, Hey, you know what? That was so much easier when you create that holistic program similar to what I’ve done, which doesn’t just say, Hey, here, you’re a technician. Bye. Um, you’re actually a part of their career. That, that’s one of the major big things that just really stuck out as far as a different difference maker from me to everybody else.

I don’t just say, Hey, here you go. I, I create a program [00:12:00] with you and your career in mind. You can call back to either TTA or my other business, IFC, infinite Fidelis Consulting, and that is exactly what they do. They, it’s a nonprofit that does workforce development. That is exactly what they do, and they will help.

And so through those partnerships, you now have access immediately to those resources. And I think some of the misnomers and steps that I’ve seen before me is, is exactly that of, hey, you know, we’re finished, right? We’ve taken care of your certs, we’ve taken care of your basic training. Bye-bye. And there there is no un until you see ’em in two years and you do their recertification.

Then you don’t really get to interact with them. And so there’s two years of just what I call dead space. There’s just two, two years of I’ve never seen this person again. And that’s, if they come back to me, they might work for company A, B, or C. And that company might have an internal recertification program where now I’m not [00:13:00] able to still help them and they’re just on a maybe.

Well, that’s where Technical Training Academy

Allen Hall: is doing something different. I, I think you’re right about. The, some of the training schools that exist today are very focused on getting technicians out on a site, and then that’s where it ends. The, the problem is those people tend to grow, especially if they’re from the military.

They tend to go up and rank as they get out in the field a little bit because they do, are doing the right things and every, the, the management realizes I’ve got these people out there that know what they’re doing. I’m gonna promote them, I’m gonna make them the lead, I’m gonna make them the project manager, I’m gonna expand their role.

But you have to also learn that skillset, right? And I think that’s where you’re thinking ahead and trying to help those people grow as they get more experience.

Nick Martocci: And I’m probably repeating myself from two years ago, but this is why I built it. I built it off of the similar frame of leadership style and progression piece that is familiar to us as veterans in the military.

When you’re an E [00:14:00] one, you’re being groomed to be an E two. E two to be groomed to be an E three in, in the civilian world, there really is no grooming process to help you do that ladder climbing piece. And what I wanted to do was help bridge that gap,

Allen Hall: right?

Nick Martocci: And help put those support structures and pieces in place so that somebody could say, Hey, I want to do this.

Who can help me? Well, you can come over to TTA or IFC and we’ll give you a hand. No problem.

Allen Hall: Well, that’s a part about TTA and I think if I was coming outta the military. I, and I wanted to get into renewables. I wouldn’t necessarily necessarily think Las Vegas. I would think Texas, Oklahoma, maybe Indiana, where there’s wind turbines and there’s solar and there’s batteries.

But the reality is, is that the resources that Nevada is putting into veterans and into supporting you make your facility much more powerful than a lot of other places.

Nick Martocci: Well, and and I kind of remember this conversation we had last year about. [00:15:00] The negative connotation of a two mile square space in Las Vegas.

Right. Right. And, and when people immediately think of Las Vegas, that two mile strip is what they immediately think of.

Allen Hall: Sure.

Nick Martocci: Without understanding. And they’re doing a little homework. And that’s why even, you know, tell people, Hey, come out for a tour, check this out and see where we are. Because we’re right across from Nellis Air Force Base right next to the speedway.

One more exit from my, uh, my training center and you’re out of Las Vegas.

Allen Hall: A lot of people coming up in the industry just don’t think about outside that Midwest, that Texas spot. Mm-hmm. And they need to have their horizons open a little bit and realize that there are other places to get training that are high quality, that are gonna be caring about you as a person and the growth of you.

Think about that when you’re applying to school, Joe. Absolutely. Just take whatever’s the closest. And head toward it.

Nick Martocci: We, we don’t play, and we’re going to treat this just like a career. That’s why [00:16:00] training at our school is a 12 hour training day. It’s not an eight hour day, it’s a 12 hour day.

Allen Hall: Right.

Nick Martocci: And that gets them acclimated to a 12 hour work day.

Allen Hall: But that’s

Nick Martocci: what it’s gonna be. Exactly. So that way when you hit the field and some supervisor says, Hey, it’s gonna be a long day. We’re doing 10 hours today. Ah, part-time job. Got it. You know?

Allen Hall: Right. Right. That’s it. So I, I think there, uh, a lot of people have choices if they’re trying to get into renewables.

Mm-hmm. And they need to be thinking about the choices they make. Technical training Academy should be high up on the list.

Nick Martocci: Absolutely

Allen Hall: high up on the list now, especially with veterans. I mean, that, that’s, that’s a no brainer that Do people get ahold of you? How do they contact you? Where should they start that process?

Should they reach out to you on LinkedIn? Should they go to the website? What’s the best way?

Nick Martocci: Best way is really just to go to the website and, uh. O one of the misnomers I made was the Technical Training Academy, and there, there are so many in the United States, I did not realize that. But if you do Technical Training Academy Las Vegas, it narrows it down to four and [00:17:00] we’re the ones on top.

And it makes it easier. And so if you do, uh, technical Training Academy in the Google Bar and just say, Hey, technical Training Academy, Las Vegas will pop up. Otherwise, on LinkedIn, you’ll find us under Technical Training Academy. Uh, Facebook and Instagram. Were still Tower Training Academy. I’m working on getting that changed over, uh, and then from there, yeah, the, I, I think that’s, oh no, we have a YouTube channel.

Tower Training Academy. We’re also on YouTube. Yeah, YouTube. But as far as reaching us, go on our website. Hit enroll now. Uh, also on our website is our phone number, (725) 272-9495.

Allen Hall: There you go.

Nick Martocci: And so you can just ping that or you can even. Hit up my head of administration at admin1@towertrainingacademy.com.

Allen Hall: Great. So everybody reach out, connect up with Nick, get started, figure out what your future looks like because Nick’s here to help and uh, it’s great to connect with you [00:18:00] again because year it’s something more exciting. Like, alright, this is, this is great. It’s expanding. You’re doing training, you got technicians out in the world, you’re going to the best.

That’s fantastic. I’m always cooking. Congratulations because it’s hard. Your business is hard. Yep. And And that is amazing. It’s amazing.

Nick Martocci: I’ve always got something brewing behind the green curtain.

Allen Hall: Yes.

Nick Martocci: Always got something brewing back there.

Allen Hall: Thank you so much for being on the podcast.

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