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Blade Recycling with Media Sourcery and Everpoint Services

Larry Ketchersid, CEO of Media Sourcery discusses their partnership with Everpoint Services to improve the recycling process for blades and solar panels, proving the circular economy. Their method uses innovative blockchain technology to create verifiable proof of proper recycling. By implementing this tracking method, asset owners can be certain their blades have been properly disposed of.

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The recycling crisis for wind turbine blades and solar panels demands better solutions as these materials pile up without proper processing and documentation.

This week we speak with Larry Ketchersid, CEO of Media Sorcery, who’s partnered with Everpoint Services to tackle renewable waste recycling. Their innovative blockchain technology creates verifiable proof that your decommissioned assets actually reach proper recycling facilities, not abandoned in fields or landfills.

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Allen Hall: Alright, Larry, welcome to the program.

Thank you for having me.

So we met yesterday with Everpoint Services who is doing a quite a bit of business at the minute doing solar panel recycling and wind turbine blade recycling.

Correct. And we’ve talked about it on the podcast more recently about the efforts. To make sure that what leaves the facility is actually [00:01:00] recycled. There is a industry problem where blades leave a site and they get stacked up in some farm somewhere or some disposal site and never get chewed up or ground up and, and recycled properly.

And it’s a black eye on the industry, right?

Joel Saxum: Yeah. You get, uh, I mean, we. The wind industry has detractors. We already know this. Right? And then when you have something that’s like that, especially wind turbine blades, ’cause they’re big, uh, and it’s very visible, the problem then exacerbates itself. Right? I mean it, like you said, black eye on the industry.

But even with that happening, we still haven’t gotten all the way to solving that problem that’s, that’s existing there. But you guys are working on it.

Larry Ketchersid: We are. We are. We, we have a solution that we cut our teeth on with, uh, tracking things like COVID-19 test kits. Okay. Right. So we, we started proof of authenticity when, uh, we were in the healthcare business.

And during Covid we had a partner that became an importer of, uh, COVID kits from Korea. And what [00:02:00] people didn’t realize is if you leave the Covid kits out of the freezer, the efficacy goes down. So we had a automated workflow system that we turned into a proof of authenticity for. Tracking Covid kits from the manufacturer.

So we put little, I mean this was four or five years ago during the pandemic, we had these chemical barcodes that were temperature sensitive, and we put ’em on the, on the covid kits. So, and, and you had to scan ’em. So they weren’t really interactive sensors, but from point A to point B, you could scan ’em.

Did the, the temperature go above a certain amount for a certain period of time, which made ’em bad, yes or no? And then we just track ’em all the way through. So it, it’s very. Similar to what we’re trying to do with tracking, recycling. I mean, we use this solution to track, uh, all sorts of things, but recycling is a really obvious use case for it.

So what we try to do is we, we, we take an asset. So an asset can be a solar panel, it can be a pallet of solar panels, it can [00:03:00] be a blade, it can be a tractor trailer, full of blades, whatever the customer wants. And we take as much of the evidence about an event and the life of that asset, whether it’s.

Demolition for at the first part, transport for the second part, and then grinding or recycling for the third part, and then whatever comes after that. And, and we, we take all that evidence, uh, put it on decentralized public ledger storage so that it’s there, um, maybe not forever in some cases, but it can be forever in, in whichever cases we want.

We hash all that information. We put it on the blockchain so it’s there forever. For each one of those events, and then at the end we take that proof of authenticity and we turn it into an NFT. If we think there’s value in it, because an NFT is a, a blockchain construct for a non fungible token, so we can, we can save that as an NFT along with all the metadata.

So if there’s value in that later, [00:04:00] we’ll come back to it and we’ll have that NFT as a tradable entity. And when I say value at later, I’m talking about potential greenhouse gas emission savings for, for the way that we’re doing proof of recycling.

Allen Hall: Okay. That was a lot. I’m sorry. I wanna unwind that a little bit.

Yep. So let’s work on the process first and I’ll, we’ll figure out the NFT part here in a second. So the process is on a wind turbine, we take down the blades or take down, typically take them to the cell down and a bunch of other things. Yep. They’re sitting on the ground. You come in and you start tagging each one of these with an RFID, or is it something a little more complicated than that?

Larry Ketchersid: So we have four or five different trackers that we use depending on what we’re tracking. So for wind turbine blades, we can use one of two. We’ve got an industrial tracker. Uh, that does three different kinds of, uh, of back haul, we call it. So it can do GPS, it can do something called [00:05:00] Lower wan, which is long range wide area network.

Yep. Uh, it can use wifi if it sees wifi stations and, and that one is industrial, we, we screw it in to the fiberglass blades on, on a truck. That’s, that’s the first way that we did it. When we did, uh, Candace Wood and I from Everpoint services did one of these. 2002. 2022. Um, what we have now are sticker trackers that have 3M adhesive on the back.

Uh, they’re, they’re very, very thin. Um, I think, did I show you one yesterday? I think I showed you one yesterday. I saw one.

Allen Hall: Yes.

Larry Ketchersid: And, and we just, we can slap that on there. And we, we like using that method because when that goes through the grinder. We know it’s, we know it’s dead and it’s, it’s inexpensive enough that it, it’s cost effective to put it on each piece of a wind turbine blade.

It’s not cost effective enough to put it on every solar panel, but you can put it once they bound the solar panels together on a pallet, we, we stick it in between the top one and the middle [00:06:00] one so that the signal can still get out and when, when that one gets ground up. We’ve already associated every serial number for the pallet of solar panels to that serial number on that sticker tracker.

So we know once one of them’s ground up, we assume the whole pallet’s ground up.

Joel Saxum: That was the question I was gonna ask was, and you kind of touched on it, was around the cost. Yep. Right. So all of those things say Everpoint is gonna do a service for someone. Is that built into the bid? Like the tracking It is.

Okay. Okay. That makes sense.

Larry Ketchersid: It is. And you know, uh, the reason we work where Everpoint for a variety of reasons. One, full disclosure, my company invested in Everpoint, uh, way back in the day. Okay. ’cause we believed in what they were doing. And the reason we believe in what they’re doing is they, they want to make sure that the, the stuff that they’re taking down, the demolition work that they’re doing is going somewhere.

Right. Right. And, and they, you know, previously they would contract with people and they, you know what you don’t know, you know, what people are doing with it. You guys mentioned it at the beginning of the podcast. There’s, [00:07:00] there’s, there’s a lot of, uh, dump. Where, where stuff gets put and you know, it’s, it’s just not, it’s not the full circular economy that we’re trying to promote in our company and that Everpoint services are trying to promote as well.

Allen Hall: So now you have basically an air tag on each of the blades or a pallet of solar panels. Correct. It may be the simple way to think about it. Yep. And similar to air tags, you can actually watch as the truck pulls the blade along or the blade sections along. To where if ever it’s Everpoint’s gonna take it to be ground up or whatever happens to it on the recycling side.

So not only do you identify it at this farm where it’s been pulled down from, now you’re constantly tracking this piece of blade or these sections of blade or this whole thing to its end of life. I, I think that’s where a lot of operators are concerned about is like when it leaves my site, it kind of, I can’t track it.

I don’t know where [00:08:00] it’s going anymore. Right, right. And I’m not sure, as some OEMs have pointed out, I’m not sure where it ends up at. ’cause I have no way of following. So unless I physically follow this thing. I don’t know. So as an operator working with Everpoint, I can actually see that the blaze that are leaving my site or the solar panels that are leaving my site, I can actually see where they’re going live, so to speak.

Larry Ketchersid: That’s correct. That’s correct. And we, you know. Cool. We, we put it on a dashboard. Um, they can share it with whoever they want to, so you can see them going. Um, we had 460 pallets from this last job that we did, so the map gets a little busy, so you kind of have to separate it out, but it’s, it, it shows, it shows ’em going everywhere and, you know, occasionally.

It’s not perfect. Um, sticker tracker wouldn’t put on. Right. One fell off. We had to make some assumptions, but, but once you have that tracking, so we also have, um, trackers that we can put in trucks. [00:09:00] So we’ve got, um, cryptographic, uh, sensors that can go in the OBD diagnostic port of a truck. And when I say cryptographic, it means I, it’s on the blockchain.

I, I know that it came from this tracker. Uh, I know that this tracker’s in this truck. It’s got GPS on it. So I can also see the trucks if I want to. Sometimes that works well if the company owns their own trucks. If they’re, if they’re hiring somebody out, they probably don’t wanna be tracked, but, but it’s another option that we can use for that.

But then. So if, if a sticker falls off, and I know that I put 28 pallets on the truck and I’ve got 27 stickers, right? It’s, it’s proof enough, right? What, what we’re trying to do with proof of authenticity is show all the evidence that we have. Somebody can call BS on it and say, well, there’s one pallet missing.

Well, it, we knew it was on the truck, so.

Allen Hall: So then the goal is those stickers, those trackers go with the solar panel pallet or the wind turbine blade until it eventually gets shred and this tracker then gets [00:10:00] destroyed. But you know where that happened at. So you know, okay, there’s a shredding site, correct.

It gets destroyed there. I know that I don’t have to worry about this asset anymore, that, that, that blade goes properly taken care of. Exactly. That is the, probably the hardest part right now and probably the most risky part for any operator when they have a company come in to recycle. Is that it, to know that it got ground up or it went somewhere?

Joel Saxum: Yep. What, so, so the proof of authenticity thing though, one of the questions I have is timing. So these, these trackers are, they’re running GPS, they’re running communications, they’re, they’re sucking power. Is there solar panels on ’em? Do they have a six month battery life, or what does that look like?

Larry Ketchersid: Uh, it’s a good question.

So the sticker trackers, uh, normally only update every 15 minutes. Okay. So they can last for a year. Um, we, we have a rules engine that we use, so we put up a geofence around the work site. Right. So we had a, [00:11:00] a, a geofence around this, uh, solar panel work site, and we put a geofence around the recycling system.

So if the sticker trackers are sitting there, we don’t want ’em using batteries. So we’ll tell ’em, you don’t need to tell us stuff that often, but when we know that they’ve left the facility, we tell ’em, you know, send it to us as quick as you can so we can track ’em all the way through. And then when they get to the.

To the site if we think they’re gonna be stored. I mean, like we, we used Ocon recycling this time. We had really good communication. I was at their facility four or five times. They told us when the trucks got there, we sent a signal down to all the sticker trackers going, we know you’re there. They’re not gonna be recycling these because we had a winter storm.

You know, quit sending signals to the bad. I mean, and we, we were way within the range. If somebody’s gonna go store a bunch of solar panels for six or seven or eight months, it’ll get close. Yeah. But if, and if they’re gonna storm ’em for more than a year, we’ll use some other technology that, like the, the ones I was originally talking about, they’re called, um.

Oyster trackers from a company called Digital [00:12:00] Matter. The ones that screw in, it’s a 10 year battery. I mean, they’ll last forever. But those aren’t ones that you want ground up because those expensive, they’re expensive and, and they probably might hurt the grinder because they’re Yeah. Robust. They’re hard.

Yeah. Yeah, they’re hardy. Right

Allen Hall: on. So that changes the game. I think he does.

Larry Ketchersid: And I, I think the next part that we’re working on, which is, you know, what we wanna do is track what happens after the grinding. Right. Okay. That’s

Allen Hall: the more important part, right? Yeah. So once you grind this material up, it’s now has a downstream life.

How do you know that that material doesn’t necessarily land up in a landfill, but it’s actually used for something beneficial to society? What does that process look like? How do you track that?

Larry Ketchersid: Yeah. So that, that process we’re working on, we know how to do it right now, but it’s expensive. Right. Okay. So there’s, there are products, uh, that we looked at when we were doing, we also have used this product on medical cannabis [00:13:00] be so that people want to know which plant, if you’re taking some medical cannabis for epilepsy or lupus or whatever, you wanna know which planet it came from, what cannabinoids are in it.

So we link the plant. To the distillate, to the product sample all the way through. And there was, there’s a spray that you can spray on and you can tell the spray, um, to put a code in what’s sprayed on that’s unique to whatever you’re trying to track. And then you get what? Whoa, whoa. Back up. What? Yeah, so it’s, it’s a, it’s a chemical spray that you put on the plant and you use some kind of mass spectrometer.

And I’m gonna get way outta my realm here because I’m a software guy and, and you read it and it basically gives you a serial number from what you read off of that plant, from the

Allen Hall: bottle of spray that you apply to this plant. Yeah. I think

Larry Ketchersid: it’s probably more of a spray. Some, someone was talking to us

Joel Saxum: about this, uh, about putting it in, in fibers in turbine blades.

Yeah. Really, so,

Larry Ketchersid: so then if you take the plant and you go harvest it and you [00:14:00] do something with it, that chemical signature survives all the way through. So you can use a mass spectrometer, it’s probably a different device. I’m probably screw this up, but you can see what the serial number was to say it came from this farm and it’s this kind of plant.

So theoretically right, you could spray that on the wind turbine blade. You probably won’t wanna spray it on all of them, but maybe you spray it on one and then it gets ground down. You go, you know, look in the Gaylord box and scan all the crap and figure out which one it’s in. They take it somewhere for whatever the, the downstream usage is.

You go scan it there and you’ve got GPS coordinates for your scan. You’ve got the scan, so you’ve got further proof. The problem right now

Allen Hall: is

Larry Ketchersid: cost.

Allen Hall: Sure. But in something like a blade. Where you really wanna make sure that that blade has been recycled and is being used appropriately downstream. That seems like a pretty simple way of tracking it without getting [00:15:00] complicated with sensors and batteries and things of that sort.

Oh yeah. You could really track, you wouldn’t wanna track all of it all the time. You just went over that the process is working and eventually sample it, which I, I, I can imagine as an an OEM, uh, wind turbine blades would love to do to know that. Yes. Our company is contributing to this beneficial part of society, and we can check it and then we can blockchain it.

Larry Ketchersid: Yep. That has a lot of value. Absolutely. And I, and I think there’s, you know, and there are ways that we can get there slowly but surely, even with using sensors. So we, we’ve worked with, um, a lot of other projects where we wanna read. Um, meters and dials and everything else, right? So, so let’s say there’s a grinding facility and we set up, we, we have these sensors, uh, from a company that are called vision AI sensors.

So we put a, some machine learning in a camera, and we tell that camera, look at this dial, and I want you to record where you [00:16:00] are with your GPS, what the dials set up, what time of day it is, and everything else. So if you’re grinding, I know what you grind ground up. When you ground it up and how much you ground it up.

Right. So I got a sticker tracker on something coming in. It got ground up. I got a sensor looking at the gear. I know what it was ground up. Then maybe for now I go put a, a tracker on one of the Gaylord boxes that it came out of. Or maybe it’s a bag or whatever. And I don’t do all the bags because I don’t wanna raise the cost up so I can sneak up to the the nice little spray, which I really want to do, frankly.

’cause That’s cool. Mm-hmm. Uh, but, but you can get there and you provide as much evidence as possible. That said, uh, sticker tracker got ground up. My vision, AI sensor says the gear was set on this. I put a tag on the box or the bag. It went in the box, or the bag went to where, whatever facility or whatever it’s being used at, if it, and.

I, I’ve got, I, I can extend the end of that proof of authenticity.

Allen Hall: So then you’d have a true [00:17:00] value product. And I’m thinking of like insurance companies and all the value chain and a when, when energy company that you’d want this to happen. Safety would be involved.

Joel Saxum: I. I think about, so like you, you, you touched on it earlier, the, the value of these things in the future.

So like there’s ETFs right now on the stock market that, like KRBN is one of them that track carbon credit markets. Yep. Right, right. And it that, while that is a thing like EPA type credits in the states, there isn’t like a free market, open market capital market for it. But there is in other places, like in Europe.

Yep. It’s a, it’s a tradable thing. Right, so I know that, I mean, wind turbine blades, recycling them full circularity of a wind turbine. Great things that our industry is moving towards. But like you said earlier, Alan, it needs to be a value like it. If it, if it, if you’re not using it for something good, then what does it matter?

Right. Right. So at the end of the day, you may be solving by being able to NFT these things, like you were saying earlier, maybe solving one of the critical issues is, [00:18:00] is right now it’s not economically feasible to grind turbine blades up and truck ’em around and all this stuff. Afterwards, so people struggle with the, the business case of recycling it.

Larry Ketchersid: Right. But yeah, the, the Department of Energy, um, specifically the Oak Ridge Labs and Sandia Labs have a really good white paper comparing all of those different ways of disposing of a wind turbine blade. And they, they measure the greenhouse gas emissions and compare them to dumping them in a landfill.

Yeah, right. And, and mechanical grinding is the best, but. The, the lifecycle analysis they did stopped at, at, at that point, right? What, what we want to do, um, and we’re actually going to Oak Ridge, uh, Thursday to talk to ’em about it some more, um, is, extend that all the way to the end product. So how much, you know, what, what’s the real savings and, and there’s a cost, right?

There’s some more transport costs, there’s some more grinding costs, [00:19:00] but what’s the savings of doing something correct and good with those grinding results? In greenhouse gas emissions and then that NFT becomes valuable ’cause I can take that carbon credit or that greenhouse gas emissions savings and either use it as a scope three emission savings or an inset or an offset or, or whatever makes sense.

Allen Hall: I could see states like Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, that have a lot of wind turbines in them, Wyoming. Where they would require something like that. If you’re gonna recycle, I’m gonna ask you to recycle them and you have to post these bonds that we’ve been talking about on the podcast.

Yeah. Recycling bonds.

Joel Saxum: Yeah,

Allen Hall: that you would have to wait to verify it. The state would always want a way to verify it. How would you do that without having it on the blockchain? There world be no way to really do that. I think it’d be complicated. The blockchain and the trackers makes it the most efficient sense.

We’re talking about reducing overall cost to track this and make sure it’s done. This makes a lot of sense. So Larry,

Joel Saxum: you work with Everpoint on [00:20:00] this project and, and and, and fixing this for this market for with them. What other industries have you touched where you’ve solved kind of the same type of problems?

Larry Ketchersid: Um, well we talked about the Covid kits, uh, then that was. Thankfully short-lived, probably not as short lived as we all wanted it to be. Yeah. Um, but, but cold chain is an easy one, right? I mean, proving that something was kept at a proper temperature. Yeah. Um, the, the medical cannabis one, uh, I, I have a lot of respect for the people in the medical cannabis industry.

Um, we were, we were working with a company in Oklahoma City called Nature’s Key, run by Veterans. Had a lot of good PTSD products. Uh, if, if they could ever get off the ground and get the regulation out of the way, um, difficult that, that product has a lot of legs, but, uh, it’s, it’s a dangerous area to play in with, with some of the stuff that we do.

Um, we’re working with a company now on tracking, um, methane emissions for, uh, oil wells that should be capped and making a certificate for that proof of [00:21:00] authenticity for that’s difficult. That’s difficult. Um, and just to prove that they did what they were supposed to do. Yeah. Um, and, and feed that into carbon credits.

And, and we’ve done some carbon credit proof of authenticities as well.

Joel Saxum: Okay.

Larry Ketchersid: Um, just. We, we had a, uh, a person ask us to prove that, um, the carbon credits they wanted to buy from a hydroelectric plant in Brazil were not fiction. Wow. Um, so we did the research and put all the evidence together and put it on the blockchain, and he went around and finally sold his carbon credit.

So

Allen Hall: even think about like balsa, that’s still using wind turbine blades. The problem with that, where. It’s improperly harvested. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And tracking it, and a lot of efforts done on blade manufacturers to make sure that that piece of also actually came in a tree from that was approved to actually take down as part of a, a lumber effort.

Right. Sustainable, sustainable process. That would be,

Larry Ketchersid: that would be a cool use case. That would be really cool. That,

Allen Hall: so the, the uses for this sort of [00:22:00] technology seem to be endless in wind energy. We just haven’t really implemented it. And I bet you a lot of OEMs have no Yeah. Information about it. Have never heard of this before, but it does seem like from an operator standpoint and an OM standpoint, this can make a lot of sense because the costs have come down.

Right. I think Who doesn’t use an air tag today? Yep. Yep. Right. Everybody has an air tag into the luggage. Rolling. Where are we today? Where, yeah. My phone will constantly beeps at

Joel Saxum: me. You’re being followed by an air tank. No, no, dude. It’s mine.

Allen Hall: Yeah. Right. Yeah. So the world has changed very rapidly in that way, and tracking is the way to do it.

And, and the blockchain is the way to make sure that that information is secure and proper and Yeah. Unaltered.

Larry Ketchersid: Absolutely. Wow. Okay. And we’ve, you know, part of what we’ve done for a living at Media Sourcery is, uh, workflow automation. So, so. Yeah, this last project with Everpoint services, we, we wanted to do it without touching anything.

So the first few, we kind of manually massaged to make sure everything was working. And, and when I say everything, the creation of the NFT triggered [00:23:00] by the sticker tracker getting ground up, right? So when the, when we know that the job is done, and at this point the job is done, when the sticker trackers ground up, it may go further later.

We, we launch a process to. Automatically create all the data we need to make the NFT, we go write it to the Avalanche blockchain, and it’s in a shared wallet that media, sourcery and Everpoint services have access to right now. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s cool. I mean it’s, uh, as a, as a geek, it, uh, it, it turns me on a lot.

Yeah.

Allen Hall: So, Larry, how do people get ahold of you to learn more about how these trackers work and what Everpoint Everpoint services is doing with them? How do they, how do they find that information?

Larry Ketchersid: We have a, uh, working demo website of all of the proof of authenticity examples@proofofauthenticity.net. Um, it also has a case study that we sent out just before this.

Um, it’s got a link to a case study that we sent out just before this conference about the solar panel [00:24:00] recycling and talks about the entire process. So that’s, that’s the best place to start.

Allen Hall: Wow. Alright. Better check that out. Proof of authenticity.net. Proof of authenticity is where you can go check that out.

Wow. I’ve learned a tremendous amount. This is fascinating. Larry, thank you so much for being on the podcast. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

Larry Ketchersid: Good questions.

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Rosemary Barnes, CEO and founder of Pardalote Consulting, joins to discuss their new grant-funded study of blade erosion and heat fatigue in Australia.

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Allen Hall 2025: Well, Rosemary, welcome back to the show.

Rosemary Barnes: Thanks, Allen. Great to be here. For, it’s been a while since we did one of these one-on-one episodes, like a, yeah, a proper, proper guest. 

Allen Hall 2025: Well, this is kind of a celebratory episode because your company, Pardalote Consulting, has been awarded, uh, some funding from the Australian Capital Territory’s government for the Energy Innovation Fund.

Rosemary Barnes: It’s a really good program that the ACT government has to try and get energy innovation In the state. It’s not a state actually, it’s technically a territory. Little more than just Canberra, the city. Uh, but there are actually quite a few, like, really interesting energy-related companies here, partly ’cause of the, the fund I think helps, but also just tracing back like, [00:01:00] uh, y- you know, in the 20-teens, Australia had a really conservative government that hated renewable energy, and the ACT government had a commitment at that time to 100%, um, 100% renewable electricity for the, the government.

And that was one of the only programs that was resulting in a lot of, um, you know, clean energy projects being built, and one of the conditions that they put on that, uh, for people that would win PPAs with the ACT was that you had to have your headquarters in Canberra. So we’ve actually got quite a few, quite a few really cool, innovative companies out of here.

Um, like Neoen’s headquarters here. Windlab, uh, yeah, was, was founded here and still has a lot of people here. Pardalote obviously, and you know, a few other companies as well. So despite it being a small city of like, I don’t know, maybe it’s up to 400,000 or something people by now, um, yeah, there is actually quite a lot going on here for energy.

Allen Hall 2025: And the Energy Innovation Fund is funded by the wind and solar operators in the area, and your particular [00:02:00] effort has really global consequences. You’re focusing on two areas involving how wind turbines survive Australia, but more, uh, of relevance is to just really tough conditions which exist not just in Australia but around the world.

What two areas are you going to focus on?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. So the two focus areas are leading edge erosion and high temperature fatigue, which we can probably get into the definitions of those in a minute. But basically my, um– what led me to wanna have a project like this was that when I moved back to Australia in 2021, I– and I started working in O&M, uh, I noticed that the wind turbines that I would look at, the blades that I would look at here behaved really differently to the ones that I worked with overseas.

You know, es- especially with leading edge erosion, like often I would be doing a condition assessment of a, you know, a new wind farm. Um, might only have been operating for, you know, two years. That’s a pretty common time for people to get in and do a condition assessment [00:03:00] because their warranty period is about to end and they wanna, you know, make sure that everything is okay.

Um, and I would just notice that often, like 90, 100% of blades would already have bad erosion after just a couple of years, which is super-duper fast. And then there are some tools available to check, um, like what kind of erosion are you likely to experience on your site. Like is it a higher severity erosion site or a, a low severity one?

Um, and you basically, you know, the status quo globally is to just look at the annual rainfall, um, and the tip speed. And if you’ve got, you know, high for both of those, that’s a bad erosion site. And if you’ve got low for both of those, it’s a, a low erosion site. But when I plotted out the wind farms that I knew had really bad erosion problems onto, you know, a chart with those two axes, I just saw a random distribution of dots.

You know? Like, this was not– uh, this had no predictive value for Australian wind farms. And so that led me to believe that, okay, um, you know, things are a bit [00:04:00] different here. Makes sense, you know, most of the knowledge that we have about how wind turbines operate, it’s been developed and validated mostly in Northern Europe.

You know? Like it’s, it’s Denmark and the surrounding countries that had, like, the bulk of the early wind energy. First few decades of knowledge were, you know, were mostly there. Of course, there were some other, um, places that had wind turbines, but, you know, most of the The OEMs have been operating for decades, came from Denmark.

And I know when I lived in Denmark, the rain there is very different to the rain in Australia. So in Denmark, it’s basically always raining, right? Like, it’s just… Like, even if it’s not raining, you’re still gonna get wet when you go outside ’cause it’s just, like, the air has this just amazing ability to just hold onto moisture.

Um, but it’s very, very gentle. But, you know, over an entire year of most days having gentle rain, that adds up to a lot. Whereas in Australia, and especially if you go, like, north to Queensland, it rarely rains. It’s mostly just dry, and when it [00:05:00] does rain, it’s like a tap turns on, and I, I swear you will get bruised from the rain droplets hitting your skin.

You know, they just have so much energy in them. So I think that that i- you know, when you look at just the overall rainfall, you really hide something important about how erosion, um, can progress. Then, um, there’s other places in Australia that have very different characteristics. Again, they don’t have that kind of really intense rain but, you know, some of those sites are also having really bad erosion.

And so it just occurred to me, I did a lot of research, you know, into what’s going on and, you know, the academics are studying erosion a whole lot, and they’ve got, you know, a lot of standardized tests and, you know, products are developed according to these standardized tests. But the standardized tests don’t actually resemble reality, and especially they don’t resemble reality in Australia.

And so my client started asking me, “Okay, you know, the products that we have are, are terrible. We have to replace them every couple of years. It’s, um, causing big problems with also [00:06:00] the amount of energy that you’re losing.” One of the types of, um, leading-edge erosion or leading-edge problems that we have in Australia is that the, the coatings tend to peel off and make these, like, big flakes which will just massively disrupt the airflow, can cause y- you know, at least a few percent AEP loss, and maybe up to five.

And even worse than the AEP loss is the revenue loss because it affects it most at, you know, lower wind speeds. Um, you get a bigger hit than at rated wind speeds. So there’s a variety of problems going on with leading edges in Australia, which mean that I, I basically… My clients would ask, “What product should we put on to prevent having to, you know, constantly replace this?”

‘Cause it costs, like- you know, 30, $40,000 per turbine to replace the protection, not to mention, you know, one or two days of downtime. It’s expensive, and I basically, I didn’t have a good answer for them. What, what product should they put on? I don’t know. No, we, we don’t know. One, we don’t know what the [00:07:00] specific, um, characteristics are that are…

what the specific local environment, local conditions are that are accelerating leading-edge erosion, one. And two, all of the products tend to be tested around this, you know, there’s this protocol that academics have come up with, and they’ve kind of like assumed that this is representative of how things behave in the field, and it’s– I don’t think it’s particularly true anyway, but it’s especially not true in Australia.

There are a few companies that are testing to different standards. Um, definitely applaud them. But without knowing wha- what are the conditions truly like in Australia, uh, it’s really hard to advise, like, what kind of tests should you be demanding from a product you’re considering to be sure that you’re gonna put it on and not gonna be replacing it again in two years.

Allen Hall 2025: Because that’s really the trouble in Australia is when you get offered products They have been tested generally in somewhere in Europe and maybe in the United States, and then when they go to [00:08:00] Australia, it’s really unknown as to how those products will do, which is a huge risk for the Australian wind market as to what to choose, how to choose, is it– what’s real in terms of test data.

So now you’re gonna go out and do what? Are you gonna put sensors out by the wind farms? Are you gonna try to do more of a statistical summary of the actual environment around wind farms using existing data? What’s the approach here?

Rosemary Barnes: It’s all of the above, but the part that is supported by the grant is that we’re gonna have enough money to be able to buy some scientific-grade sensors and put them on, um, a sample of Australian wind farms.

So we’re gonna be looking at a lot more characteristics about the rain than simply is it raining now, you know, how many millimeters per hour. We’re also gonna be investigating, you know, every kind of characteristic of, of that, um, of that rain, um, including, yeah, like the, the energy that’s in it, for example.

A, a bunch of stuff. I won’t get into every single [00:09:00] parameter. Um, and you know, other things as well, like measuring UV, solar radiation, um, particles, because, you know, in Australia we have a lot of dirt roads, which I know is very common in wind farms around the world, but Australian dirt roa- roads are always dry and dusty, like 99% of the time, so that’s one of the things that y- you know, maybe that’s causing a difference.

Um, so basically putting sensors all over a bunch of wind turbines and then monitoring the erosion, um, a combination of some real-time monitoring and also looking at inspection, um, drone inspection images annually. We also have a- an option where we’ll just be using SCADA data and inspection images, so that’s like a lower cost version where we can combine that with the findings from the scientific-grade instrumented turbines to build up a picture of what types of conditions lead to accelerated erosion.[00:10:00]

Allen Hall 2025: So the SCADA data will, will have some information inside of it, you think, that, uh, will correlate to the weather outside?

Rosemary Barnes: It has some Additionally, we can look up, um, you know, just the weather data, like how many millimeters fell during which 15-minute interval throughout the day, what was the temperature.

SCADA will tell us also what the temperature was, um, what the speed of the turbine was, so you can calculate the tip speed, ’cause that’s an important thing. Um, yeah, so it’s, it’s two, it’s two tiers of data collection. The scientific grade sensors, as you can imagine, are, are really expensive and y- you know, the, the grant project has contributed a, a lot of funding, um, but it’s not enough to put those, yeah, put a little mini lab on top of every turbine across Australia, obviously.

So that we’re using s- doing selectively, and then we can increase the number of wind farms that are included in the study by just doing this, um, cheaper version of the SCADA [00:11:00] plus, uh, weather data that’s available.

Allen Hall 2025: So what are some of the risks on the temperature side for all the high-temperature regions of Australia that have wind turbines?

Clearly it’s generally warmer in Australia than it is in, in Scandinavia and Northern Europe. What kind of temperatures are we talking about on the ground?

Rosemary Barnes: Uh, well, temperatures here can get pretty close to 50 degrees. Um, and if you’ve ever been inside a wind turbine blade on a, even a mildly hot day, you’ll know that the temperature inside a wind turbine, and especially inside the blade, is much hotter than what it is, uh, what the ambient temperature is.

So this project is one– I’ve actually been talking about this project for, yeah, like over 10 years now. Ever since I started, I moved to Denmark, started working for a wind turbine manufacturer, I had done– I had just finished doing my PhD on composite materials, structural design, and analysis. So, um, yeah, very, very familiar with, [00:12:00] you know, how composite materials work and, in particular, the effect that temperature has on them.

I mean, like most materials, when composites get warmer, they get softer, and that is really important for a w- a wind turbine blade. You know, if it gets, um, less stiff, then you’re gonna get a lot more strain, and that is going to affect your fatigue behavior. Y- you know, fatigue is just the application of a little bit of, a small amount of strain.

It’s not gonna cause damage, but when you apply it millions, tens of millions of times, like you do in a, o- over a wind turbine’s operate, um, operating lifetime, then that builds up. And, you know, wind turbine blades are a very fatigue-driven design. Um, it’s one of the most important things to consider when you’re designing a wind turbine blade.

And so when I got to Denmark and I learned how materials are qualified and how the qualification is treated in the certification process, I just realized it’s not particularly conservative, and also that some of the assumptions that are made that [00:13:00] wo- again, they worked really well in more moderate climates where wind turbines have had most of their developmental history.

You know, it’s not such a big deal there if you test at room temperature. Your wind turbine blade is spending most of its operating lifetime at room temperature or below. It’s, it’s rarely, you know, above 30 degrees in Denmark and most of Northern Europe and, you know, also a lot of, um, a lot of America, not, not all of it But, um, in Australia it has just extended periods above that temperature and even exceeding the temperature where, you know, wind turbines have an operating limit and after that they will shut down.

But the operating limits are based on ambient temperature. It’s not based on what’s the temperature in the laminate, which is what really matters for blade lifetime. So anyway, I’ve been obsessed, like honestly obsessed about this issue for 10 years. Talked about it with anybody who would listen . But then when I started working in O&M in [00:14:00] Australia and I started seeing some wind farms with an abnormal number of cracks early…

again, early in their lifetime, you know, I think one of the wind farms I was looking at was maybe three years old or four at the time. I think it was three actually, and had a lot of cracks, and I looked at a few years in a row and it was more and more cracks every year and I’m like, “Oof, this really looks like end of life fatigue behavior.”

A- actually it’s not, y- you know, there’s this concept of a bathtub curve where, um, when you’re looking at failures in components, in, in anything, not just in, um, wind turbine blades, but you know, like you’d start– it’s called a bathtub because, you know, when it starts operating, you’ll get quite a lot of failures.

Anything big, any manufacturing defects or anything are gonna cause failures quite fast, and that kind of drops off over time as all of those, uh, get addressed. And then you have, you know, the bulk of your operating life, it’s like pretty low level, pretty, pretty constant for a long time and then as you get towards the end of the [00:15:00] life, you start to see failure rates rise up again.

That’s your fatigue failures, your end of life fatigue failures. And so when I saw the same types of cracks more and more each year, I’m like, “This looks like, you know, the foot end of the bathtub, not the head end.” And, uh, it made me worried and I’ve now seen that across a few wind farms in Australia at, um, hotter places.

There’s a few blade types that are more prone to it than others, but at this point it’s still a suspicion that that’s what’s going on. I mean, a suspicion backed by a lot of, a lot of theory and knowledge of how the certification process works. But this project now we’ve got some funding to actually go put some sensors onto wind turbines, actually learn what the temperatures are in the blades throughout the whole laminate, um, not just the, you know, on the outside surface or not just the ambient temperature, but actually, you know, develop a temperature gradient across the whole, um, the whole laminate in the blade shell.

Um, and [00:16:00] then we’re going to be doing a bunch of modeling basically to look at what is the effect of these different temperatures that blades are really seeing and how much would we expect to… that to decrease a lifetime. And then we should also be able to say, you know, if you have this issue in your wind farm, you might be able to change your operation a little bit and extend your lifetime a lot.

Because this one, it’s real– like, in contrast to leading edge erosion, leading edge erosion is just, it’s, you know, every wind turbine has it to a certain extent, and it, it’s always there, but it’s a relatively minor cost to fix it. You know, like it sounds like a lot, like 30, $40,000 per wind turbine, but, um, you know, compared to if you’ve got to replace every blade across your fleet because they’re all, you know, at the end of their life after five years, you know, that’s obviously shocking.

And, you know, that’s a bad example, but even in a y- you know, like a less extreme example, maybe [00:17:00] after 15 years you have to do a, you know, a f- a fleet-wide campaign to strengthen blades or something. It’s, you know, m- many millions of dollars for that, and so it c- could make sense to be able to learn, okay, what, what hours of operation should we be avoiding?

Additionally, because when it’s super-duper hot in Australia, usually you’ve got heaps of solar power and the electricity price is not that high. So I, I think that there– and I don’t, obviously, before we’ve done the project, I don’t know what the threshold is. But in both cases, we will be aiming to improve the knowledge of how you can operate to avoid these periods of accelerated damage.

Allen Hall 2025: Do you think you’re seeing more fatigue-like damage due to the blades operating when it’s hot or not operating when it’s hot, with maybe less airflow around the blade and maybe less cooling going on is just a temperature soak At rest? [00:18:00]

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. It’s interesting because the temperature is higher if it’s not rotating, um, because you get a whole lot of, um, convective heat, heat transfer when the turbine is operating.

So your temperatures are not gonna get as hot when operating as when they’re standing still. However, if it’s standing still, they’re only very lightly loaded. Like, yes, they’re gonna get, um, blown by, by gusts and, um, have a little bit of bending, but it’s, it’s very, very small compared to, uh, if it is y- you know, operational loads.

Uh, assuming that you’re not in the middle of a s- a storm. But yeah, a storm probably doesn’t come with 50 degrees temperatures.

Allen Hall 2025: And what part of the blade is susceptible to these higher temperatures? Is it the resin? Is it the fiberglass or carbon fiber? Or is it the, the glue, the bond joints? What part are you focused on?

Rosemary Barnes: The resin is the main part that I’m focused on. It gl- it could be an issue for glue too, actually. I haven’t even looked into what the, um, yeah, temperature assumptions are with, with glue, with [00:19:00] bond lines. But the failures that I’m seeing in the field are not, are not bond line issues. It’s, it’s, um, a laminate problem.

Allen Hall 2025: What about balsa and foam inside of the blade? Are they affected by the temperatures or are they pretty temperature stable?

Rosemary Barnes: I don’t think they’re affected at these kinds of temperatures, no. They, they don’t really do much actually. The, the core materials, like it, it is very important that they’re, that they’re there, but their job is really to keep the fiberglass separated from its- itself to make it stiffer.

So, um, yeah, that’s, that’s unlikely to be a, a major source of problems.

Allen Hall 2025: So this study is gonna work over about three years, and you have a number of wind farms that are participating. Are you looking for more wind farms to participate in Australia?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, we can, um, have as many as, as people want to join.

We’ve got quite a good selection so far. Definitely can always welcome more. A, a bit limited in how many can get the really, um, good sensor [00:20:00]package, because the grant funding is a, you know, a certain amount, and that’s paying the bulk of those sensors. So, um, those spots are limited. So if anybody wants to really zone in on what is specifically causing erosion on their site, you know, if you know that you have got leading edge protection that is not good enough and you have to replace it soon, but you don’t know what to replace it with, then, you know, that would be the kind of wind farm that might want to consider, yeah, joining this and, um, you know, getting these sensors on their, um…

We’re putting them on top of the nacelles, most of them. Um, yeah, so that would be a good match then. Um, and then, yeah, for the ones that are doing the SCADA data and, um, weather data- There’s not such a, a hard limit on how many we can have join like that. So yeah, we can have more, more like that.

Allen Hall 2025: In the temperature fatigue effort, i- is that still looking for participants or are there particular wind turbine types or manufacturers that you’re [00:21:00] looking for to participate?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, I think, um, I, I mean yes, we can have more of those. That’s a simpler, a, a simpler issue as well. The sensors are not so expensive and, um, it’s, yeah, it’s a, it’s a simpler project to join that one. We only need, you know, a couple of turbines per site, so it won’t be such a, uh, an involved process to get everything up on into the turbines.

And in terms of who might like to join that, I would say anybody that is in a really hot area where, you know, where they see a lot of days over 30 degrees, and if they see any days, you know, getting into the high 40s, then I would say that that’s worthwhile. Or even I have seen this issue in some milder sites, um, yeah, depending on the, on the blade type as well.

It is more common with polyester resins. They have a, a lower op- uh, maximum operating temperature than epoxy resins. But then also just anybody that has noticed just, hey, [00:22:00] we’ve got a lot of cracks, and it seems like we’re getting more and more cracks every year, which to be honest, can be hard to keep track of if you’re…

If you’ve got a full service agreement, uh, you know, an OEM managing your wind farm The early signs of this are gonna be category one and category two cracks. They’re not in exactly the same location. It’s, you know, it’s a tricky one. Normally, if you’re looking at a serial issue, then you’re going to have, uh, well, you know, your ideal pattern for a serial issue is the exact same thing happening over and over again.

And so it is harder to pull this out. It also really would be very rare for it to be happening in the first two years or three years, whatever your serial defect liability period is. So it’s quite hard. But, um, another group of wind farms that might like to consider it is if you know that in, you know, a certain number of years you have to renegotiate your service agreement or, you know, it ends and you might have to take over yourself, then this’ll be a really good way for you to [00:23:00] understand, you know, have I got a ticking time bomb here?

Um, because it’s not something that you’re gonna be aware of if you haven’t been, you know, doing some really, really in-depth shadow, shadow monitoring of your blades, you know, running your own inspections and looking at every single damage, not just category three, four, five, but lower ones. So yeah, I mean, there’s a, a wide variety of people that, that could be interested in joining.

Allen Hall 2025: Are you expecting a number of manufacturers that make leading-edge protection or involved in resin creation, some– there’s a number of resin companies and a variety of resins that are used globally, sort of interchangeably at times. Are you expecting some of those companies to participate in this effort just to learn about the Australian environment?

Rosemary Barnes: I think it would be a good opportunity to test out some products and see how they behave in the Australian context. I think that that would be a really good selling point, but I, I have to say that most of the companies doing that sort of thing that wanna enter Australia, they don’t [00:24:00] really consider…

Like, from the perspective of wind farm owners in Australia, if you can’t show us wind farms in Australia where this has worked and, you know, show us a before or after, you know, the old LEP lasted Two years and our LEP is going on four years now with no damage. It, you know, unless you’ve got a before and after like that, you can tell us however many turbines that you’ve got installed around the world, but, um, we don’t consider it validated, y- you know?

It’s not validated for Australian conditions yet. And I do have this same discussion over and over again with, you know, not just leading edge protection, but all kinds of, um, you know, manufacturers of whatever doodads that you put on to improve a, a wind turbine. It’s so different to Australia. Things break so fast.

And I’m talking everything, you know, like vortex generators fall off and, um, yeah, like, uh, you know, bits of lightning protection systems fall off, seals just [00:25:00] crumble and disintegrate. Um, and it, you know, we’re very wary of, of new products. So I, I do– I mean, I’m thinking of it more from my client’s point of view than from the product manufacturer’s point of view.

But one thing that I wanna get out of this pro- project is to be able to answer one of the most common questions that I get is, which is, what leading edge protection should I be putting on my turbine? And for now, I don’t know. I, I know a range of products that don’t work in Australia, and not much more than that.

So, um, yeah. And it’s also, you know, Australia’s a very varied place with lots of different kinds of climate too. So it’s not gonna be like, you know, the product that works in Queensland is the same one that’s gonna work in Tasmania, which is the same one that’s gonna work in Western Australia. You know, um, so it, this project is gonna really pull out what are the site specific issues you’ve got at your site and what kinds of, um, you know, tests would we need to see a product um, perform in order to know that this [00:26:00] is gonna last on your site.

Allen Hall 2025: W- what is the outcome of this project or these two projects? Are they gonna be reports or, uh, a, a continual monitoring system that’s designed for the Australian environment? How do you see this going?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, so one part of it is, um, developing a way to identify periods of accelerated damage and to know not to operate during that time.

So we call it protective operation. Uh, so that would, uh, help you if, yeah, you’re trying to extend the life of something or increase the amount of time before you have to repair, then y- you know, that would be useful to have that knowledge. And it will be as simple as just an alert saying, “Hey, accelerated damage conditions.

Consider, you know, if you wanna keep on operating.” And, you know, if the price of electricity is super high at that time, they may want to push through, and if it’s low, they probably won’t want to. So that’s one thing. Um, especially, you know, as wind turbines get to their, near the end of their life. I’ve got some clients whose wind farms only have, you know, [00:27:00] maybe five years operation left.

They just simply don’t wanna repair their leading edge protection again. They just, they, they don’t wanna do that. So they would be happy to, you know, reduce operation a bit and have their turbine limp through to the end of the period. Y- you know, you want everything to wear out at once. You don’t want brand-new leading edge protection on a turbine that’s going to come down in a couple of years.

Um, so, you know, that’s, that’s one part of it. And then the other thing is, you know, turbines earlier in their lifetime, how can we optimize the maintenance schedule with leading edge erosion? Um, so, you know, like it’s a lot cheaper to, uh, replace the LEP if you get– catch it early, but then you don’t wanna be catching it too early and replacing it, you know, constantly when you, you don’t need to.

So, um, yeah, it, this, having this knowledge will enable a site-by-site operations and maintenance strategy with respect to leading edge protection. We also have some sites who are having trouble. They’ve got a full service agreement, and the OEM is [00:28:00] responsible for, um, doing the leading edge erosion repairs and protection replacement, but the owner is on the hook for paying for it.

At the other end, we’ve got people with full service agreements where technically the, um, manufacturer is supposed to be doing the leading edge protection and paying for it, but they argue about what, when does it need to be done. Because, you know, um, the operator might think if there’s no structural risk, then we don’t need to be replacing it.

And in the meantime, you’ve got turbines spinning around for years and years and years with, you know, these huge flakes of leading edge protection s- you know, causing the flow at the tip of the turbine to, to detach and to stall, and horrible aerodynamics, huge losses in power generation and revenue. And they’re having a big fight about, you know, is this necessary to do or not?

And then, you know, they’re just gonna put the exact same product on again ’cause the [00:29:00] OEMs are re- all really, really wedded to their own particular brand. It’s like, “Well, last time we had this product and it was factory applied, it lasted one year before it s- it was worse than, you know, if it wasn’t there at all.

Uh, we don’t really want you to put that one on again.” And so, you know, having the information that they need to be able to, you know, really bring data to these discussions and, you know, makes a, yeah, data not drama. That’s a, a good approach I think, um, for any kind of negotiation and especially in the case of leading edge erosion.

And then for the high temperature fatigue part of the problem, aside from, you know, just wanting to know are your blades aging, should you be looking at remediation action or changing the operation, the other really big key thing is, uh, you might need to have a fight with y- your OEM about if this turbine has been designed and operated correctly.

And so then having the data from this, um, project is going to give you the information that you need to come into that [00:30:00] argument with, again, the data not the drama. Um, and to, you know, in- increase your chances of succeeding in that kind of really tricky negotiation.

Allen Hall 2025: So if you’re an OEM or a manufacturer of equipment, an ISP, an operator, pretty much all aspects of wind operations, you probably ought to be getting a hold of Pardalote Consulting and Rosemary to talk about the opportunity to participate in this study.

How do people get ahold of you to, to do that?

Rosemary Barnes: People can go to our website, pardaloteconsulting.com, and get in touch via the contact form there, or you can, uh, look me up on LinkedIn, Rosemary Barnes. That’s probably the easiest, fastest way to get ahold of me personally.

Allen Hall 2025: Well, Rosemary, congratulations on the Energy Innovation Fund Awards and the new three-year effort.

If you are interested in participating with Pardalote Consulting and working with Rosemary and her team [00:31:00] in Australia, reach out to her on LinkedIn and get that process started, because this report and the data from all this analysis that’ll happen over the next couple of years will be important to the wind industry.

So you need to spend some time and get ahold of Rosemary and get this process started now. So Rosemary, congratulations. Uh, thanks for being back on the podcast, and looking forward to, uh, the next couple of years. It sh- should be exciting.

Rosemary Barnes: Thanks so much, Allen.

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