Whale watching is a popular pastime and a great way to get outdoors, but not everyone knows the best places and times of year to see the largest mammals on Earth. Here’s a quick guide to some of the best places to catch a glimpse of these magnificent creatures in the United States.
San Juan Islands, Washington
Washington State — and the entire West Coast — has ample opportunities for whale watching. Specifically, the San Juan Islands off the Washington Coast is a great place to look for orcas, humpbacks, gray whales and minkes.
While some orcas, humpbacks and gray whales can be found year-round off the Washington Coast, the best time of year to see them is usually during the summer months. Southern resident orcas — who live in three pods, referred to as the J, K and L — typically make their way through the San Juans from May to October.
The picturesque archipelago is on the Whale Trail — a series of more than 100 sites with resources for watching whales and other marine life — like harbor seals, sea lions, marine birds and porpoises — from the shores of British Columbia down to Southern California.
“I used to go to summer camp in the San Juan Islands and sometimes we would go on boat trips. On one of these trips, one of my fellow campers yelled out, ‘Orcas!’ We all raced to the side of the boat to see a pod traveling besides us. The dark spears of their fins stood out against the gray waves and sky. We watched them arc up and down out of the water until our paths diverged. I was thrilled to see them; it felt like a gift from the universe. I felt honored that they chose to travel beside us,” Olivia Rosane, who is also the opinion editor for Common Dreams, told EcoWatch.
Seward, Alaska
Alaska is one of the best places in the world for wildlife viewing of any kind, including whales. Every year, more than 22,000 gray whales travel along the longest mammal migration route in the world — roughly 10,000 to 14,000 miles round-trip — from Baja, Mexico, north to where they feed in the Chukchi and Bering Seas. Gray whales migrate during the months of late February to May and generally stay near the coast, making them easier to spot — noninvasively — from shore.
During the warmer months — from May to August — you may also see humpback whales near Seward, as they return from their Hawaiian winter feeding grounds.
The best times to catch a glimpse of orcas in and around Resurrection Bay and Kenai Fjords National Park — where fin, minke and grays are also known to gather — is in May and June, though they are around all year.
“Orca whales don’t follow a migration pattern, and instead can be found where there is food, socialization, and ice coverage. Orcas, or killer whales, are the largest member of the dolphin family and have three main classifications: resident, transient, and offshore. We often spot resident orcas near Seward, as they feed on fish. Transient orcas can be spotted, but are less likely since they feed on marine mammals like seals,” Seward.com said.
After blue whales, fin whales are the largest mammals on Earth and are most often seen in Alaska from May to September, generally traveling by themselves or in smaller pods.
When you’re lucky enough to spot them, minke whales can also be seen from May to September, traveling in small, slow-moving pods.
Maui, Hawaii
The beautiful black and white humpback whale is one of the most majestic creatures on Earth. The weathered-looking cetacean can grow up to 60 feet in length and weigh as much as 80 thousand pounds. Most humpback populations were decimated by more than 95 percent before a final commercial whaling moratorium was imposed in 1985. There are now estimated to be approximately 84,000 mature humpback whales on Earth.
The powerful marine mammals — who live in all the world’s oceans — are increasing in much of their range, but are still threatened by entanglement in fishing gear, underwater noise pollution, vessel strikes and harassment from humans.
Humpback whale populations migrate along different routes. Hawaii’s Kohola — or Central North Pacific humpback whale population — travel back and forth from the Hawaiian Islands and Alaska.
The winter migration brings these gentle whales to Hawaii and the North Pacific Ocean from November to May each year, when more than 12,000 humpbacks come to the warmer waters to breed.
“We went to Maui in February about 7 years ago. When we got there we were told that it was prime whale watching time there on the island, so we booked a whale watching boat tour through the hotel. It was a small, modest boat with about 10 other people on it. We were all excited but skeptical about just how many whales we’d see since everyone knows that a lot of times whales can be elusive and unpredictable,” North Carolina resident Anna Moore Groome told EcoWatch. “It was a gorgeous sunny day and right from the beginning of the trip, we began seeing several whales. They were jumping and rolling, splashing their tails and fins and getting super close to our boat and snorting water all over us! We must have been right in the middle of a pod because there were large whales and small whales all around us. We stuck a microphone down in the water and heard what seemed like a million conversations going on under the surface. It was one of the most magical days of my life.”
Bar Harbor, Maine
A humpback whale in Bar Harbor, Maine. Patrick Hawks / CC BY-SA 2.0
The picturesque town of Bar Harbor, Maine, on Mount Desert Island is known as the gateway to Acadia National Park with its mountains, rocky cliffs, white sand beaches and sea views. Some of the wildlife living in Acadia National Park include bobcats, moose, porcupines, barred owls, beavers and American black bears.
Located along Frenchman Bay, the area offers wonderful opportunities for wildlife viewing and whale watching. The Shore Path begins at the town’s pier and meanders along the bay with views of the area’s islands.
The best time to see humpback whales, minkes and finbacks around Bar Harbor is from April to October, when the whales come to feed on krill, squid and fish in the Gulf of Maine.
“Our whale watching cruise from Bar Harbor was an adventurous way to rest between more strenuous hike days. We dressed in extra layers of clothing and brought warm hats and gloves, knowing the temperatures would drop once we ventured away from shore,” Michigan author Cynthia Birk told EcoWatch. “Although it took a little while to reach the area where the humpback whales were visible, we were entertained along the way with glimpses of dolphins racing alongside our boat. We also met majestic tall-masted schooners cruising in the opposite direction through the Gulf of Maine. It was too late in the season for us to see any puffins, but as we passed Mount Desert Rock, it looked as if every harbor seal in the area had decided to stop there to soak up the sun near the famous lighthouse. Our boat kept a respectful distance from the whales we encountered, but it was still close enough to see a thrilling show. We enjoyed observing their spouting and breaching behaviors and caught several slaps of tail flukes as the giant creatures dove into the ocean. It was a marvelous experience.”
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Last winter, we kept our house at 60 degrees and our electric bill was STILL $280. I’ve been interested in solar for a long time, but on the long list of house projects (especially when you’re restoring a 200 year old house on the historic registry) some are more pressing than others.
But with a few of those major projects wrapping up, and a daunting bill before me, I figured now was the time for a quick google search on solar panels, and let me tell you….. It can be very overwhelming.
Figuring out the rules (cough, cough, historic society), incentives or rebates if applicable, how much it would cost, how much we could save, etc. felt a little like a part-time job. But, one website made it really easy to compare things, and I am happy to be partnering with Aurora Solar to share that site with you.
Because I think you should be able to easily run the numbers on your house without a lot of hassle!
This post is sponsored by Aurora Solar, but all thoughts and opinions are my own.
If you’ve ever gotten a solar quote, there’s a good chance that Aurora Solar was involved. Aurora was founded in 2013 after its co-founders spent seven months trying to design a solar energy system using a patchwork of different tools.
Afterall, designing a solar system shouldn’t be harder than actually installing one. So they built software specifically for solar professionals. Today, more than 7,000 solar organizations use Aurora, and more than 20 million solar projects have been designed using the platform. They are also the largest solar software provider in the world. Their software is used by roughly 80% of the top 75 residential solar companies in the U.S.
All of this tech has been primarily used by professional installers to map your roof and then create a proposal, but now Aurora is offering this tech to us to help compare quotes.
So instead of having to call a bunch of different installers, I could use the Aurora Solar Marketplace to understand my solar potential, compare estimates, understand my possible savings, look into battery storage and other home electrification incentives, and map out different financing options.
1. know how much electricity the system will actually produce
Before you even get into the price, make sure you understand what you’re actually being quoted.
Two solar systems can have very different prices because they may not be the same size or produce the same amount of electricity. A cheaper system might simply have fewer panels and offset less of your electric bill.
With Aurora, you can compare solar estimates and see the system size, energy production, and how much electricity the system should offset.
You can also upload your utility bill to get a solar estimate based more closely on your actual energy usage, to make the quote accurate for you instead of a ‘generic household’.
2. understand the solar payback period
Aurora calculates things like payback period and lifetime savings, which makes it much easier to understand the long-term finances.
The solar payback period is basically how long it takes for your estimated savings to make up for what you spent on the system, and this is the number that surprised me most!
One estimate had a payback period of around 7 years, and another was closer to 11 years! Over 25 years, two of the estimates I looked at had almost a $13,000 difference in projected savings.
Of course, these are still projections as electricity rates can change (HELLO 2026) but when you’re trying to compare two options for the same house, knowing that one is projected to pay for itself four years sooner is pretty useful information.
3. look beyond the monthly payment
Depending on the installer, you may be looking at a cash purchase, solar loan, lease, or power purchase agreement.
But thankfully with Aurora you can compare the different financing options side-by-side which makes it a lot easier to see the trade-offs. One option may have a lower upfront cost, another may have a lower monthly payment, and another may give you better long-term savings.
4. find out which solar incentives actually apply to you
The minute you start Googling solar, you can find federal incentives, state incentives, utility programs, rebates, net metering, and a whole bunch of information that may or may not even apply to where you live.
And some of the articles ranking at the top of Google are several years old! (RIP to the federal incentives canceled at the end of 2025.) But, Aurora can account for solar incentives when calculating the cost and savings of a system, including state, local, and utility-specific programs.
I would still double check any incentive or tax benefit you’re planning to use before signing a contract, especially because programs and eligibility can change, but having all the relevant information in the same place makes the research process much less overwhelming.
5. research the installer, equipment, and warranties
Aurora lets you compare solar installers based on things like reviews, reputation, pricing, and financing options, which I think is just as important as the actual quote.
I’d also look closely at what equipment is included. What panels are they using? What kind of inverter? How long are the equipment warranties? Is there also a workmanship warranty from the installer? Who handles repairs if something goes wrong five or ten years from now?
And, I know I’ve said it a million times, but it’s nice to see it side-by-side without having to fill out a bunch of forms and be hounded on the phone just to get an idea of what solar may look like.
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Sustainability In Your Ear: XPRIZE’s David Babson on Why Climate Grand Challenges Need Buyers, Too
Buyers contracted nearly 30 million tons of durable carbon removal in 2025, more than triple the 2024 total, according to CDR.fyi data reported by Heatmap. About 90% of those purchases came from a single company, Microsoft, and suppliers delivered only about 450,000 tons during the year. That is a sliver of the six to 10 billion tons of removal a year that climate scenarios suggest the world will need by 2050. The technology to pull carbon out of the air works, but the customers needed to scale it remain scarce.
Our guest today, David Babson, is executive vice president of the Energy, Climate, and Nature domain at the XPRIZE Foundation. He calls the slow progress a market failure, because the technology is progressing faster than it is being adopted. Babson previously led MIT’s Climate Grand Challenges initiative and was a program director at the U.S. Department of Energy’s ARPA-E. His portfolio includes XPRIZE Carbon Removal, which drew 1,334 teams and whose participants have raised more than $3.3 billion. In April 2025, Mati Carbon won its $50 million grand prize for spreading crushed basalt on smallholder farms in India, where the rock locks away carbon dioxide. “If people could make money taking carbon out of the air and putting it underground, as opposed to only being able to make money taking it from underground and putting it in the air, we would be in a better place,” Babson says. Mati is weathering the slump in part because its rock dust also improves soil health and crop yields, giving farmers a reason to participate that doesn’t depend on carbon credit prices.
XPRIZE’s answer is to change what winners receive. Babson describes “mixed purses” that pair a cash award with a guaranteed buyer through an advance market commitment, a power purchase agreement, or an offtake contract. In one thought experiment, a carbon removal prize would come with a separate $1 billion fund raised from credit buyers, which qualified teams could draw on as they deliver verified tons. XPRIZE is applying the same thinking to a planned series of fusion energy prizes, pairing technical milestones with market mechanisms to build the supply chain that commercial fusion will require. The same gap between invention and adoption shows up in other XPRIZE competitions. On September 23, XPRIZE Wildfire awarded about $4.55 million from its $11 million purse, with defense contractor Anduril Industries taking first place in autonomous fire response along with a $1 million Lockheed Martin bonus. Babson expects costs to fall as fire agencies adopt the tools and as startups license individual components into cheaper platforms, though underfunded agencies will need a way to buy the first systems. He also notes that the competition left fuel management and ground-based autonomy for future prizes. Earlier this year, program director Andrea Santy told us that field testing had moved ahead of drone regulations. In biodiversity, Limelight Rainforest won $5 million for surveying 100 hectares of tropical forest in under 24 hours and identifying more than 250 species. Biodiversity still lacks a price, but Babson argues that once ecosystems can be measured, slow-walking policy becomes “a dereliction of what they should be doing.”
We also discuss the tension inside XPRIZE’s vision of “equitable abundance,” including a $101 million Healthspan prize that could add years of consumption to longer lives. Babson argues that abundant, cheap clean energy would let society move beyond efficiency as its organizing principle, powering uses such as indoor vertical farms that could return millions of acres of farmland to nature. You can follow XPRIZE’s new competitions and get involved in its prize ideation workshops at xprize.org.
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Interview Transcript
Mitch Ratcliffe 00:36
Hello. Good morning, good afternoon, or good evening, wherever you are on this beautiful planet of ours. Welcome to Sustainability In Your Ear. This is the podcast conversation about accelerating the transition to a sustainable, carbon-neutral society, and I’m your host, Mitch Ratcliffe. Thanks for joining the conversation today.
Let’s talk about the power and the uses of grand challenge programs to kickstart low-carbon industries and respond to the changing environment. Over the past several years, we’ve talked on the show with leaders of grand challenge programs designed to accelerate progress on humanity’s most difficult challenges, from pulling carbon out of the atmosphere to fighting rapidly growing wildfire threats in cities and rural communities. Many of these competitions have been launched by XPRIZE, whose leaders have shared on the show the stories of these competitions as they launched and unfolded.
Today is a chance to take stock, to look back and think about how climate markets, technology, and politics are changing fast, and how that makes this a good moment to ask the question: Are these programs designed to accelerate progress actually delivering that progress?
Our guest today designs XPRIZE’s climate bets. David Babson is executive vice president of the Energy, Climate, and Nature domain at the XPRIZE Foundation. Before XPRIZE, he was the executive director of MIT’s Climate Grand Challenges initiative and a program director at the U.S. Energy Department’s ARPA-E energy technology research agency.
His portfolio includes the largest incentive in prize history. In 2025, Mati Carbon received a $50 million grand prize for their enhanced rock weathering solution for capturing and drawing down carbon, and XPRIZE now reports that companies participating in its programs have raised $3.3 billion. That carbon removal win arrived just as the removal market hit serious turbulence, and as XPRIZE’s wildfire competition wrapped up with its top prize still unclaimed.
So we’re going to discuss what grand challenges can really accomplish, which winners continue to build and which stall, and what the reasons are, as well as the tensions inside a portfolio that funds both climate solutions and longer human lifespans. We’ll get to the conversation right after this brief commercial break. Stay tuned.
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Welcome back to Sustainability In Your Ear, and welcome, David Babson, to Sustainability In Your Ear. How are you doing today?
David Babson 03:10
I’m doing well.
Mitch Ratcliffe 03:11
I’m glad to have you here. You’ve run research portfolios at ARPA-E and MIT. What can a prize purse accomplish that a well-funded grant program can’t, or are they complementary?
David Babson 03:22
They’re absolutely complementary. The way that I think about it is that the value of these different mechanisms for promoting innovation is at different parts of the innovation supply chain, if you will. A prize is not a substitute for the very necessary investments that places like governments make into basic, applied, and advanced research. In fact, those types of investments are really valuable for establishing the innovation ecosystems and the technical capacities to eventually win prizes.
Where the prize is very valuable is somewhat downstream: translating technologies, ideas, and innovations that are coming out of academia and labs to market for scale. It challenges the innovators to imagine those technical capacities as solutions to global challenges, and then the visibility that the prize brings to those translations of technologies de-risks funding to flow to those innovators so they can imagine their uses in practice.
So I actually see them as very complementary, particularly when it comes to solutions in the energy and climate space that require rapid adoption of technologies in markets to have impact. Just having an energy solution or a climate solution is not valuable unless it can be de-risked and connected to markets to scale for impact. And that’s what the prize is actually very good at doing.
Mitch Ratcliffe 05:22
That comes through in the impact report that you all published recently. About 1,300 different organizations were catalyzed. The groups came together, apparently, because of their desire to compete in the competition.
What I’ve found in my work with public-private partnerships, in particular, is that impact investors are looking for that initial traction, and to a degree, the prize and the distribution of money within the prize group is that catalyst that says there’s a real opportunity for an impact profit, something that both does good and is profitable. How does the organization consult with the financial communities that are going to back these companies once your prize has been awarded? Is there a backroom conversation about that, for lack of a better way of putting it?
David Babson 06:10
Not an explicit backroom conversation about it, but the prize itself brings attention to the innovations that are coming out to win the competition. Oftentimes, as you’re noting, these impact investing communities exist, and they are looking for technologies to invest in to have impact.
What the prize is effective at doing is casting a wider net and surfacing the best solutions across the board, where there may have been silos in the past, or there may not have been transparency to individual investors about where to put their money. The prize is capable of elevating all of them, creating better visibility, and therefore, just by its inherent operation, creates better opportunities for investment capital to flow to the right types of teams to have greater impact more quickly.
So we don’t have explicit discussions with those types of investor communities to have them directly connected to individual prizes. But we often consult with investors and experts in industry to inform the metrics that we would want to have demonstrated, so that we know that when teams are winning our competitions, the demonstrations that they do are de-risking capital to flow to those innovators so that they can be translated to market.
Mitch Ratcliffe 07:47
We’re talking about growing industries, which of course means diversifying into a lot of specializations. Once you’ve got this kind of anchor winning team or teams, how does XPRIZE think about propagating the information that’s necessary for the rest of the industry to grow and fill in around them, in order to provide the kind of comprehensive geographic coverage and range of functions that are necessary for the industry to thrive? Is that something that you think about cultivating, like you would in agriculture?
David Babson 08:22
It is something that we think a lot about. With a few of the more recent prize competitions that we’ve run, we have also paired those competitions with a subsequent impact phase, which is designed to further build the community that has been established through the operation of the prize and connect the technologies that came out of the competition to the right types of markets and investors so that they can scale.
So that is one of the things that we’re thinking about in future competitions as well: not just running an innovation competition to surface new innovations, but how do we augment the community building that the prize provides as a way to also promote the back-end business models and industries that can scale those solutions for impact?
Mitch Ratcliffe 09:19
How would you describe the patterns you’re looking for that indicate that an organization can become that durable enterprise? What separates them from the rest? Have you got thoughts about that?
David Babson 09:29
I do have thoughts about it. In a lot of ways, the rigorous metrics that we set up when we’re designing the competition are informed by what experts believe would be the necessary demonstrations to actually generate a solution that is market viable. So a lot of it is very quantitative in terms of how we architect the competition.
But what we’ve also seen is that there are elements of winning teams that can’t always be controlled by just the scientific metrics. A lot of times, it’s the composition of the team, how diverse they are, and the unique mentality that the leaders of the team have in terms of their vision and their ambition. Those are parts that you can’t control for, but the prize model is very effective at also attracting the type of entrepreneurial, big-thinking individuals that actually tend to be behind some of the most successful companies.
Mitch Ratcliffe 10:40
Those big-thinking individuals often struggle with the transition from inventor. And to your point about the academic community often being the source of many of the teams that are competing, that’s not something that academics are necessarily good at. As part of the prize process, do you also begin to coach them on how to staff for the operators who are going to be able to translate the invention into a market success?
David Babson 11:04
Absolutely. On the front end, the prize itself sets a target that is typically beyond what researchers in an academic setting are imagining for what they’re doing. It gives them a way to imagine their technical innovations as scalable solutions to big problems, so that gets them excited to be in the competition. But you’re right: they’re not necessarily all business-minded or have the types of experience that would allow even very, very good solutions to become very strong companies and business models.
So one of the things that we have tried out recently, and it’s a model that we could replicate in future competitions as well, is an accelerator cohort in the carbon removal prize. It was optional for teams to opt into the cohort to get additional guidance and consulting from experts in startups and technology translation. That would help them think about the unique elements of their proposed carbon removal strategy, how they would connect it to markets, and how they would drive greater value for their solutions.
That is something that we can do as part of the competition, because we’re building a community of innovators that are striving toward a shared aim. Therefore, we can better define what an accelerator cohort looks like, so that the guidance that is provided is more effective at actually generating the right type of thinking for scaling the solutions that we’re interested in.
Mitch Ratcliffe 12:52
That kind of accelerator approach gets you ready for market competition, but it doesn’t always get you ready for the market in which you’re going to have to exist as an organization. It’s templated, and the specifics of any individual company’s success are very unique.
Let’s take Mati Carbon as an example. They won the $50 million prize. They are doing carbon drawdown using basalt ground up and mixed into farmers’ fields, but their success is really anchored in the carbon credit market’s growth. How does the prize work with those sources of carbon credit purchases, for instance, Meta or Microsoft, to connect them to these opportunities to make prize winners thriving organizations?
David Babson 13:38
There are some limitations to what we can do in that space. I think the uncertainty and the pullback in commitments to carbon credits and carbon markets is a challenge to the cohort of teams that competed in the carbon removal prize.
Ironically, I think one of the things that is allowing Mati to continue growing on the business plan that they have is that a lot of the value that they’re able to assign to their solution actually goes toward the agricultural implications: the ability for their treated lands to not just remove and store carbon, but to improve soil quality and soil health to improve agricultural yields. So there’s a different value stream that they can draw from. Broadly, it would be much better if there were a great deal more certainty in the market for carbon removal attributes.
Mitch Ratcliffe 14:47
This is a systems thinking problem, and your domain includes nature alongside energy and climate. How do you think differently about designing a prize for an ecosystem as compared to designing one for a technology that has a clear cost curve and an adoption challenge?
David Babson 15:02
I think that it’s a really interesting question, and one that we’ve been thinking about a lot in my domain in particular. As I was saying earlier, it’s not sufficient to just surface new innovations that could be a solution. In order for them to have impact, you have to figure out how you connect those to markets and get them into use, so that they can scale to drive that impact.
So there are two parts of the incentive model that we need to push on. We need to continue the incentive that the traditional non-dilutive purse offers in attracting innovators to demonstrate their potential solutions. But we also need to consider the market mechanisms that would help accelerate the transition of those technologies from the lab into the market.
So we’ve been thinking a lot about how we might develop mixed purses: a purse that includes some of those traditional non-dilutive types of incentives, as well as, potentially in the energy space, an advance market commitment, a power purchase agreement, or an offtake. The prize competition actually sets the metrics that need to be demonstrated and pressure-tests technologies and their capacity to scale, and what teams could win is access to a large power purchase agreement or advance market commitment. In many cases, the competitors in these competitions would value that certain offtake to scale their solutions over a traditional non-dilutive purse. So we’re thinking a lot about that in the energy space.
For nature, as you note, one of the challenges is that some of the markets that exist for potentially financing natural ecosystem restoration or nature-based climate solutions are soft. They’re voluntary markets. The certainty is not there. The other thing that we could do is create a contrived fund that is unique to the competition, but it would require teams that are competing to demonstrate some sort of verified outcome to unlock dollars from that fund. So we can create a market mechanism that would help a lot more teams scale their solutions.
Let’s do a thought experiment. If we ran the carbon removal prize in a similar way, the teams that won awards for their innovations in that competition could have still won those dollar amounts in the non-dilutive fashion. But separately, we could have raised, let’s say, a billion-dollar fund from entities that are buying attributes in that space, and then once teams were qualified, they would be competing to draw down from that fund based on verified output. So we would have actually created a certain market for them to scale in.
Mitch Ratcliffe 18:16
You mentioned a moment ago the shifting willingness to invest in this. Do you see a decline in big tech’s willingness to fund carbon capture and energy challenges as capital is directed toward the AI buildout, or is that actually underlining and making these investments more important?
David Babson 18:33
There are a number of factors that appear to have affected some of the commitments that large corporations have been making in terms of purchasing, or voluntarily committing to purchase, carbon attributes right now. That is a challenge that is creating uncertainty, and it is complicating the market.
But on the other hand, I do see a lot of interest in potentially investing in the clean energy transition, because of their need for enormous amounts of energy and the realization that growing energy demand must be paired with clean energy approaches that can scale quickly. Otherwise, we’re going to be tying in and locking in the growth of our data transition and our AI buildout with growing emissions that are unsustainable.
Mitch Ratcliffe 19:34
You had great increases in carbon capture between 2024 and 2025: 800,000 tons in 2024, and 4.9 million in 2025, so about 600% growth. But we’re a long way from the six to 10 gigatons of annual removal estimated to be needed by 2050. How do you feel we’re doing in terms of the race to start drawdown as we continue to generate more carbon?
David Babson 20:01
It’s a market failure at this point. One of the things that the carbon removal prize did is it really did surface a number of different pathways