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What’s the Future of Offshore Wind in the US?

This week we go on a deep dive on offshore wind in the US–what’s the status of projects that have been approved? Why do approvals for new sites seem to be slowing down? Is there enough manufacturing capacity to meet the transition goals? What can be done to boost wind energy growth?

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Allen Hall: All right, Joel, it’s baseball season, and it’s actually playoff baseball season. Did you have a bunch of money on the Brewers already?

Joel Saxum: I don’t bet on my own teams, but I love them. And my heart got ripped out of my chest last night watching that damn game. Because it was, if you didn’t follow, it was 0 0 going into the seventh.

We hit two back to back home runs, and the Brewers, everybody in Wisconsin was riding high, and then we had four runs rung up on us in the ninth. So there goes our playoff run. And I was looking forward to being able to josh back and forth with our weather guard, lightning tech COO about her Philly fanatic fandom.

But we won’t get to see them in the playoffs.

Allen Hall: Well, it is fall in America, and that’s when the baseball playoffs start and college football kicks off. So everything, food wise, changes. The pumpkin spice is out, Joel. Not a fan. God, please. No one’s a fan of pumpkin spice? Pumpkin spice French toast, I’m a fan of, but that’s the only thing.

That’s not bad. What about squash and cranberries? I mean, you gotta like one of those.

Philip Totaro: Cranberry, I’ll take cranberries.

Joel Saxum: Cranberries up from northern Wisconsin, right? I grew up next to a cranberry bog.

Allen Hall: Alright, this is something everybody can agree upon. Maple syrup. Two cheers for maple syrup. Sure, why not.

Joel Saxum: You’re from northern New York, Phil! They do maples. There’s that syrup country. Sure. But I’m also not 12 years old eating a stack of pancakes anymore.

Allen Hall: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. I’m your host, Alan Hall, and I’ll be joined by my Uptime co host. After these news headlines, in a bold move, Spain’s Acciona Energy has unveiled plans for a massive 3 gigawatt wind farm in Western Australia. The project, named Bellwether, aims to install 400 turbines, each with a capacity of 6.

2 megawatts. Once operational, it could become the largest onshore wind farm outside of China, significantly boosting Australia’s renewable energy capacity. Shifting to technology advancements, Weidmüller USA has introduced BoltControl, an innovative monitoring system for wind turbine blades. This system detects broken bolts in the blade root, potentially preventing costly damage and reducing downtime.

The technology promises to enhance safety and efficiency in wind farm operations. In South Korea, Unison has achieved a milestone by developing the country’s largest offshore wind turbine. The 10 megawatt direct drive turbine represents a significant leap in Korea’s wind energy capabilities. For Unison plans to begin performance tests in October of this year, with commercialization expected by early 2026.

GE Vernova has secured five new agreements in Spain, further solidifying its presence in the European wind market. The company will supply a total of 16 turbines for wind farms in Castilla, León, each with a capacity of 6. 1 megawatts. Additionally, GE Vernova will repower a wind farm in Catalonia and supply turbines for a new project in Andalusia.

Lastly, the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management has postponed the Oregon Offshore Wind Energy Auction. Due to insufficient bidder interest, this delay highlights the challenges facing offshore wind development in certain regions. BOEM plans to continue collaborating with stakeholders to support ongoing engagement processes and develop a strategic roadmap for offshore wind in Oregon.

That’s this week’s top news stories. After the break, I’ll be joined by my co host, CEO and founder of IntelStore, Phil Totaro, And the Chief Commercial Officer of Weather Guard, Joel Sexson. Dealing with damaged blades? Don’t let slower pairs keep your turbines down. Blade platforms get you back up and running fast.

Blade Platform’s truck mounted platforms reach up to 100 meters, allowing for a quick setup, improved safety, and efficient repairs. Book soon to secure your spot and experience a difference in blade access, speed, and efficiency. Visit BladePlatforms. com and get started today. Well, as offshore wind is really slowing down on the West Coast, particularly in Oregon, there’s been a number of changes on the East Coast around New York.

Massachusetts Rhode Island where the ownership is changing hands pretty rapidly. And some projects have been kicked down the road a little bit to allow the developers to get everything in, in, in place before. They start pounding monopiles in the ocean bottom. But there, Phil, there’s been a number of more financial transactions than there has been putting monopiles in.

A lot of financial companies have entered into the marketplace. A lot of power companies, state owned power companies for essentially are pulling out of offshore wind. That has changed the dynamic quite a bit. And you’re getting more outside players, non U. S. players into the U. S. offshore market.

What is the, sort of, the current status of that? And Joel, sort of, what does that look like in terms of growth? Is it really going to stagnate? Or what do you see out in the In the ocean there from all the ship activity.

Joel Saxum: Well, I know like, Alan, you and I we kind of regularly watch that marine traffic.

com. I, and I every couple of weeks I’m flipping up looking at like the TGS or foresee offshore maps and just kind of peeking around what’s happening. But we know right now, of course, Block Island, steel in the water. She’s been there for a while. That one’s always going to be there and running.

But as far as all these other wind farms we’ve been talking about for the last few years, active steel in the water, we have Vineyard Wind, which is Avangrid, right? And we also have South Fork, which is Orsted. And these are off the coast of Massachusetts. Rhode Island here, but South Fork is small, right?

Like Block Island, it’s like five turbines. South Fork, I think there’s a dozen turbines there in the water. Vineyard Wind, of course, a little bit bigger, but they had, the blade issues. So they slowed down and they paused on that one. And outside of those wind farms, as far as I know, the only other one that has steel in the water is the CVOW, the Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind.

Down off the coast of Virginia. So Phil, am I right or wrong there? Those are the only ones with steel in the water.

Philip Totaro: Yeah. The, so there’s some kind of early stage development activity still happening for a lot of the stuff that’s obviously not gone through tendering yet, the stuff that has gone through Boehm.

Consent is not quite as much as, everyone has hoped and to go back to the beginning of this Alan mentioned that, Oregon’s not really moving forward which is unfortunate, but it’s just reflective of the times. So we’re, whereas we were going through. A phase where we were having a lot of auctions.

Now, BOEM is kind of slowing down the process of having these auctions and trying to take the projects that are, quote unquote shovel ready and getting them, approved as much as they can. That said, there, there is still kind of a need and an opportunity for offshore wind and his interest rates will hopefully continue to come down.

It opens the door for a more profitable project where, if you remember back, what, three years ago, even, we had projects with PPAs that were being executed for like 77, hour. That’s relatively competitive with, some of the legacy onshore wind or solar projects in some of these same states where we would be doing the offshore wind offtake.

So. Offshore wind will make some sense moving forward. It’s really not going quite as quick as we would like, of course. But it looks like BOEM has at this point shifted their approach from doing more auctions to doing more consents and approvals of projects that have already been tendered.

Presumably to get the ball rolling on BOEM. Once this project’s been approved by everybody, including the government, makes it a lot harder to be undone by any kind of future regime change in, the presidency and whoever’s in control of Boehm.

Joel Saxum: So, Phil, one of the things that we talked about this slow down, not going as fast as we wanted to these things.

One of the positive things that I’m actually hearing from, my connections within the WIM network is that it’s allowing the ISPs a little bit of time to catch up. So we’re allow, we’re being able to get more people trained. There’s been some, some shifting, some gears and people working offshore and some things going on.

We’ve launched our first SOV, our first Jones Act compliant SOV. There’s another, I think there’s another two of those being built right now in different places around the country, but it’s giving, we went really hard and fast at it and there was all these kinds of issues and now we’re backing off, slowing down a little bit.

And like the pendulum has kind of swung the other way. It seems like the from a supply chain standpoint, and maybe not a supply chain as far as hardware, but a supply chain as far as services and those kinds of things. As a unit, the offshore wind industry in the United States is supported by the onshore wind industry in the United States because that’s what’s happening.

Is being able to catch up a little bit.

Allen Hall: Alan, are you hear that same thing? Oh, I think there’s been a lot of effort focused on offshore on the O& M side. There’s more people gathering steam and getting expertise from overseas to spool up their offerings. That was a smart move. I think the bigger picture going back into Phil’s discussion of, hey, what’s going to be developed over the next couple of years, not much, and the reason is because the factories do not exist to ramp it up.

If you take a look at Siemens Gamesa was supposed to build a blade factory in Virginia. They decided not to do that. GE is closing down half a line in France. The, that means they got one line in France and one light up in gas bay to build offshore blades with Siemens is going to rely on Hull in England to do the 108 meter blades.

Vestas is kind of in a similar situation that in order to start putting a lot of turbines out on the East coast of the United States, you would have to. add at least five, six, seven factories, blade factories or blade lines, so to speak to fulfill these orders. So even though there may be some demand in the U.

S. with the high interest rates, you’re still stuck because you can’t get the blades, you can’t get them you may be able to get towers, but that’s it. Which I think is what’s going to happen is they’re going to end up driving monopiles in some of these and waiting, which could be more than 12 months, maybe closer to 36 months before you start seeing some turbine deliveries is they’re just not increasing capacity.

Joel Saxum: Yeah. And at the end of the day the steel isn’t the hard component, right? Like can ramp up, you can ramp up factories all over the place to create the steel components. We need transition pieces, monopiles, these kinds of things. They’re specialized, but they’re not that specialized. Not like 108 meter blade or these nacelles or the other thing that need to be built.

So yeah, there’s definitely I could see that Alan. I said, that’s a concept I didn’t really have thought of is. Putting steel in the water and then just waiting until the turbines come. Yeah.

Philip Totaro: Well, but the reality with that is that it’s unlikely to happen because they don’t want to, there are still reliability issues with doing that.

If you’re waiting on parts, they’re just gonna delay the project. The problem,

Allen Hall: Phil, is gonna be driving the monopiles and having the ships to drive the monopiles, right? They have a schedule set, to do that part of it. I think that may happen because of the schedule

Philip Totaro: with the ships. Well, yes and no, but that’s kind of my point, is we, there are so few projects that have even been consented in the U.

S. right now that, that are ready to be built, that don’t already have a vessel assigned. And at the end of the day, these new power offtake agreements that have been signed with different states like New York or New Jersey or whomever, they don’t have, they just have, a price tag without necessarily a definitive, install by date if you will.

So we, we have a situation where the developers and independent power producers have an opportunity to kind of. Stretch things out, stretch your schedule out to be able to accommodate when the vessels are going to be available and the turbine components are going to be available. But this goes, the reason that we don’t have all those factories goes back to the pace of.

the approvals and the pace of the build out to begin with. We got caught in a scenario where everybody wanted to do factories in the U. S. GE wanted to have factories, Vestas wanted to do one in Jersey, Joel just talked about some of the other ones in Virginia and elsewhere. At the end of the day, most of them didn’t get built because we just got caught in this scenario of, escalating interest rates, and which triggered all those, power purchase contract renegotiations, which, delayed things because with PPAs going up, CapEx has to go up, it’s more money that the developer has to go ask for, and the bank is saying, well, We’re not giving you any more, we, this is the situation.

We got to spread our risk out and diversify our investments as well. We’re only prepared to give you, this much. And if you’re trying to get your project to a financial close to FID, you can’t do that if the bank is only giving you a 60 percent of the capital you’re going to need to be able to build a project.

So. The industry’s having to do more with less, but this also addresses your earlier point, which is if we’re not going to be in a position to spend the CapEx now, it’s easier to get ramped up on all those soft costs around the OpEx and the services and everything else, because it’s cheaper to do. And we have the time and bandwidth to be able to do it.

So we might as well take advantage of that.

Allen Hall: I want to take a quick break here, but after the break, I want to talk about the investors and how they have driven. This marketplace. We’re now the OEMs. Some of them don’t want to participate anymore. As wind energy professionals, staying informed is crucial, and let’s face it, difficult.

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Visit PESWind. com today. Also The aspect of the investment banks and all the financiers that have been involved in offshore wind have driven the marketplace in a very unique way. At first it was, we wanted to put the biggest turbines we can out in the water, reduce the number of monopiles, reduce the amount of cables.

So on your spreadsheet, setting up in an office, probably in Toronto or somewhere, that they’ve looked at it and said, hey, I can get more power out of a larger turbine, obviously, I can reduce my cost, my profitability goes up, everything seems hunky dory on that spreadsheet. The problem has been, though, is that when Vestas went after these turbines and started, pushing 12 to 15, and it sounds like Siemens is going to develop a 20 megawatt turbine for sure, but GE and Vestas are going to hang around 15 megawatt, that they ran into development problems.

That it wasn’t as easy as just building it. It wasn’t, it was more of an engineering task than they thought it was going to be in a manufacturing test for that matter. So now the investment decisions that were made a year or two, three years ago now are really wreaking havoc. The GEs of the world don’t see profit on offshore wind on a major scale.

Why would I build a factory? Why would I build that factory to build a factory? I think Joel, I think the number of investors was about a half a billion dollars to build a blade factory, something in that realm. So if you have to build five, six, seven of these things, you’re talking about three, four, five, probably five in this marketplace, 5 billion to build up blade factories, that’s just for the blades, goodness sakes.

Why would you do that? There’s no ROI on that. So if the investment banks want to go off and make ROI on the projects, You have to look at it from the OAN’s perspective, they need an ROI also, and that has been stripped, completely stripped from them.

Philip Totaro: There’s two things at play there though, one is Vessels aren’t gonna be capable, not for a while, of installing anything that’s, 18 to 20 like the Siemens Gamesa looks like they’re gonna do.

It’s, so, the reality there is the supply chain, notwithstanding, you also have vessels that are the bigger holdup in being able to do that. Because it’s not just the construction of the project site. If you have a problem with one of those turbines, and we’ve been talking on various, iterations of the Uptime Wind Energy podcast about, replaceable technology and whatnot.

But at the end of the day, if you have to have service performed on a 20 megawatt offshore wind turbine or bigger. There are only going to be a handful of vessels that are going to be capable of doing it, and if they’re already booked for installations elsewhere in the world, what are you going to do to repair a turbine?

Now, instead of having, a project site where you’ve got one turbine goes down, and it’s maybe, three to five percent of your entire project site’s power output, if you have fewer turbines and a 20 megawatt turbine goes down, that could be 10 percent of your or, something substantial in terms of your site’s power output.

So the bottom line is that’s where the financial forecasters, a spreadsheet breaks down, but it also, it just one other thing. It also comes back to, the, there’s not actually that much different, and this is why, cause this is kind of related to what leading light has or what happened with leading light.

Why they’re delaying the project is. They said that they can’t get the size turbine they want from GE, which was an 18 megawatt. GE is only going to give them a 15 and a half. Now, I don’t really see much of a difference between the two other than obviously some power ratings, some rotor size, etc.

But it’s not like it’s actually going to be that much LCOE difference between a 15 and a half megawatt turbine and an 18 megawatt turbine. Okay, so I don’t understand why that’s a problem.

Allen Hall: No, but on the Excel spreadsheet, if you start looking at the third digit there, Pass the decimal, it’s bigger.

And that’s what’s happening. It gets down to that sort of a couple half a percentage point, a quarter of a percentage point.

Philip Totaro: It is, but they also said, okay, that we can’t use a Vestas turbine at the site. Okay, fine, that’s a technical issue. Has less to do with, I mean, I still think they probably could have made a Vestas turbine work at the site, but so I think that’s maybe a bit of salesmanship there.

But then they also suggested that we can’t really source from Siemens because Siemens turbines are just going to be too expensive. And that’s. Just the new reality we’re in. The reality is that the OEMs are not going to lose money. Not anymore. They were prepared to do that before,

Joel Saxum: but they’re not going to do it anymore.

Nope. That day is over. The one thing I’m looking at is this, is like, there’s a really simple number that we need to look at. Right now, we’ve only got a hundred turbines in the water. And in the next year, maybe a hundred more. In the next two, three years, maybe two hundred. So, like, there’s no, there’s absolutely no demand or reason to build new blade factories or build a nacelle factory.

Like, if you’re going to build one, build it somewhere where they’re going to throw a lot of stuff in the water and, like, and just use it

Philip Totaro: to support as a global thing. Joel, why aren’t we buying turbines from China, then? Because they seem to have plenty of factories over there.

Allen Hall: I’ll tell you why we’re not.

We’re not because the DOE and the administration said it was going to create good paying American jobs. Thanks. And those good paying American jobs were going to be in blade factories and the cell factories and the assemblies and the ports, and that can’t happen now, but you can feel it though, right?

You can feel that tension building on what is going on in offshore wind. Why is it taking so long? And I have to throw in, and I was at the AMI wind turbine blade conference this past week. Which was tremendous, by the way, I had a really good time and man, did I meet a lot of new people and a lot of people that I knew from all over the world.

But the consensus on offshore is that it is going to go much slower than was ever envisioned and that the OEMs are not going to start building things on wishes and dreams. That is completely done that and even getting to your point about ships, Joel, the ships are coming in at, way over budget.

And the delays in the schedules have been really pronounced. That’s not going to help anything. So, in the meantime, which is what I was concerned with coming out of EMI is, alright, what is going to happen by 2030? Where is all this electricity going to come from? Evidently, Microsoft is going to restart one of the nuclear facilities in New York just for servers and AI, but is there going to be a push, a more broader push, because offshore can’t develop fast enough to get other renewables online, if that hydro, solar, Onshore wind, where is this going and how

Philip Totaro: fast?

Keep in mind too, that for all the stuff that’s in the interconnection queue right now, all those developers have paid money to be in that queue, and are gonna pay even more money to get out of the queue and get their thing approved, and get the project built. So, it’s not like the government doesn’t have the financial resources to be able to go and staff up and get the appropriate people in place to start speeding up the interconnection queue issue that we’ve got, but that’s only one part of it.

Transmission build out and demand are still going to end up driving the majority of this if demand keeps going up, particularly driven by these data centers and AI use and that sort of thing. Then that’s going to necessitate speeding up the permitting process. That’s going to, coincide with lowering interest rates, which would hopefully unlock some floodgates as far as capital is concerned, and should get more projects going.

But, Again you’re going to have to invest in the infrastructure necessary, which is really

Joel Saxum: transmission. Alan, you said it right. Like the consensus here is that there’s a lot of great wind resources. We need to connect things to the grid, but none of that is near the load centers that need the renewable energy.

That’s why three mile Island got just signed up by Microsoft to start back up because. It’s a load center that’s near, like, we have New York, you have that whole east coast. That’s why we’re going with offshore wind over there, because there’s no real estate to build renewables or, other kind of There’s a great onshore wind resource.

I mean, there’s some in upstate New York and you can, and that’s being moved on transmission to New York city and stuff. But like at the end of the day, like the only option you got here is what we’ve talked about before. It’s like HVDC somewhere else to get

Philip Totaro: power. And look the 1. 5 billion for some additional transmission, including the Southern Spirit transmission Linking, for the first time ever, ERCOT to any other part of the United States.

So they’re not going to be fully islanded anymore down in Texas, Joel.

Allen Hall: If they’re going to, if they’re going to be investing money into renewable energy and they really want to get offshore wind going, they’re going to have to build GE a factory. New York or the feds are going to have to put down a billion dollars in some sort of factory in New York.

Or New Jersey, somewhere up in there to speed this on if you could say, Hey, GE, here’s the facility. Here’s all the infrastructure. You need to put a blade mold in there and some people let’s go. I’m going to or I’m going to low cost you on the loan to go do this and give you a low interest loan.

0 percent loan. You’re going to pay it back over 20 years and deferred taxes or whatever they wanted to do to it. You’re going to have to sweeten that pot to get a GE or a Siemens to start producing blades in quantity.

Philip Totaro: All right, let me break it down like this, because we’ve been, one of the hot topics coming out of the Wind Energy Hamburg last week was, China’s incursion into the European market.

And at the end of the day, we started doing some research ourselves on, China, since they’ve started doing the Belt and Road, I don’t remember off the top of my head, like, how much they’ve spent, but just in the past 21 months China spent over 100 billion, the equivalent of 100 billion Euro in pursuing energy related projects through their Belt and Road initiative, which is investments in foreign markets, okay?

The European Investment Bank and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development have collectively spent about 18 billion euros in that same time frame. I don’t have numbers yet for how much we’ve spent in terms of foreign direct investment. That’s one equation and one part of it. But even domestically, how are we keeping up with China when their government has dedicated that much money to ensuring that their OEMs are successful?

You’re absolutely right if the government in the U. S. doesn’t step in and help to build a factory for G. E. Because right now, G. E. would build a factory, but they can’t do it because they don’t have order book. The reason they don’t have order book is because of all these other things we just talked about.

But at the end of the day, some, somebody, something’s gotta give, and if you’re committed to supporting domestic production and building a domestic industry, then you gotta get your wallet out and start spending some taxpayer money on, re prioritizing it from whatever else you’re spending it on to this, alright?

You want an offshore wind industry, you gotta build it, you gotta invest in it.

Allen Hall: Bill, the IRA bill was 670 billion dollars, right? Right. We couldn’t have built a factory inside of that 600 plus billion.

Philip Totaro: Or two, or three, or four? Sounds like we could have built a few of them, y’know? If they’re half a billion each for, y’know, a blade factory and a cell factory, I mean, y’know, yeah.

We probably could have included some of that cost, or at least done some kind of tax deferment on some of that, considering the circumstances where we all know that we’re in a high, y’know, interest rate environment still. So let’s do something to either, let’s lower those interest rates a little faster, or let’s, do something else that’s gonna spur in interest and investment.

Because with oil and gas companies pulling capital out, Everybody else is going to start pulling capital out of renewables and we’re not going to have, we’re going to be, we’re supposed to be, top in the world on onshore wind, offshore wind, everything else we are going to be.

You know the laughing stock of the industry where you know europe and asia continue to outpace us

Allen Hall: it’s there’s a good racing analogy to this which I like to use in this case if they lowered interest rates back down to something normal the problem is you’re in 20th position. And the lead car is a half mile in front of you, maybe more.

And now you’re going exactly the same speed. You can’t catch up. You have to pour a little more gas into that fire to get back up to where you want to be. Right? So that delay doesn’t go away. Now you have to really pour money into it. To catch up,

Philip Totaro: right? And they’ve made it, they’ve created a situation where you’re right.

It is even more expensive, although you also don’t want to lower interest rates too much, too fast, because that creates other economic issues. But the point is that we’ve, even the jobs report we saw this week where unemployment’s dropped to 4. 1 percent in the U S you’ve got us, you’ve got an economic scenario where, you know, everybody, including the Fed now kind of agrees that the market can probably handle.

More rate easing, and we’re going to get into a scenario where you’re going to be able to create more of a favorable environment. But that’s just, as Alan just pointed out, that’s just getting us back up to the speed that we were going before. How do we catch up to where we’re supposed to be? We’ve talked on the show about how the government put, a 15 gigawatt by 2030 plan in place, and then they had to revise it because it was clear that we were never going to achieve that much in installation and operating facilities.

So now it’s 15 gigawatts permitted by 2030, which probably isn’t even going to happen now at this point either with the pace they’re going. Especially if Boehm’s gonna reining in the auctions because there’s such limited interest. I mean, this is exactly what happened in the Gulf of Mexico with Texas in particular.

Even the Louisiana sites that they did auction when they had that auction about a, a little over a year ago Pitton’s was paid, by the companies who got those lease sites. Nobody wants to even do an auction in Oregon at the moment, particularly with, the tribes and other people there locally piling on and saying, we’re going to oppose this, which, look, at the end of the day, even the opposition that we’ve got in Massachusetts, New Jersey, None of these people that’s opposing offshore wind legally is actually going to stop that process from happening, the development process on a project site from happening, unless they hit them when they’re, they kick them when they’re down.

Basically, they hit them at a point where interest rates are slowing down the project development process to the point where it causes the government to have a bit of a rethink on, well, can we really sustain this? And if they’re gonna start pulling the plug on the mechanisms that create a market environment where everybody’s free to invest, then all these crackpots are gonna come out of the woodwork and try and file a lawsuit to try and pile on the offshore wind developers, trying to get them to divert money and resources away from project development to legal fees.

So, none of this is helping us go fast and catch back up to where we need to be. And get us back into a position where we are market leading in offshore wind.

Joel Saxum: Okay, the wind farm of the week this week is the seven cowboy wind farm built by nl in oklahoma It’s out west of oklahoma city about an hour and a half It has 107 ge 2x machines the 2.

82 with 127 meter rotors it’s located in Washita and Kiowa Counties. That 107 turbines will generate approximately 1. 3 terawatt hours of energy annually. And it will, that’s enough energy to power 120, 000 households, which in western Oklahoma is a lot. So that energy though, and this is an interesting thing, is being sold from this wind farm on some PPA or virtual PPAs.

The companies lined up for them are Campbell Soup Company, which is kind of a neat one. Thermo Fisher Scientific is another one of the PPAs. They’re taking 90 megawatts of a virtual PPA. And then the other interesting one is a Japanese pharmaceutical company called Katayama. Takeda and they’re taking 79 megawatts of electricity off this wind farm.

Now the thing Enel is doing with this one that I really like is they have built a training facility in Oklahoma city to bolster the wind technician shortage that we’re seeing. And this is a thing that’s near and dear to us here at the Uptime podcast. We’ve started the build turbines. com website as a resource for technicians looking to get in or companies looking to recruit technicians, but Enel is also doing the same thing by having their own training facility up there in Oklahoma city.

So, these 300 construction jobs created by the seven cowboy wind farm during construction, 55 million in local tax revenue, and 41 million in landowner payments over the life of the wind farm are a great thing for Oklahoma. So seven cowboy wind farm from NL out there in Western Oklahoma, you are our wind farm of the week.

Allen Hall: That’s going to do it for this week’s Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. Thanks for listening. Please give us a five star rating on your podcast platform and subscribe in the show notes below to Uptime Tech News, our weekly newsletter. Transcribed And check out Rosie’s YouTube channel, Engineering with Rosie, and we’ll see you here next week on the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast.

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Eric Trump is usually depicted in the press as a moron.  Is this fair?  Is he really this stupid?

Is he not aware that the vast majority of the Earth’s population wants to see his father dead?

FWIW, I’m a rare exception.  If Trump dies before the American people have the opportunity to see how close the U.S. came to being the next Russia, China, Turkey, North Korea, or the other 50+ authoritarian regimes on this planet, we will never be able to repudiate fascist dictatorship.

Ummm, the Vast Majority of Earth’s Citizens Want to See Trump Dead

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Can be done. Cost inefficient as hell. Huge energy losses.

Highly doubt Switzerland built one. They’re not morons.

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White House Misses Appeal Deadline, France Targets Chinese Magnets

The crew discusses the White House missing its offshore wind appeal deadline, France’s 12 GW tender with restrictions on Chinese permanent magnets, and WOMA 2027 planning.

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Allen Hall: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. I’m your host, Allen. I’m here with Rosemary Barnes, who is in Australia, and our newest guest is Nikki Briggs, who is the new CCO of Weather Guard Lightning Tech. Welcome to the show, Nikki. 

Nikki Briggs: Thank you. Nice to, nice to be here.

Allen Hall: So there’s the full docket, and Nikki’s gonna get indoctrinated today to the podcast, and she’s gonna be holding on tight because we have a really, uh, very controversial podcast.

I think once Rosemary gets in here and starts talking about. Offshore wind. And I wanna lead off this week ’cause it is a big deal, although not many people are talking about it, that, uh, the White House missed a deadline to file an [00:01:00] appeal against all the offshore wind farms in the United States. And the feeling was, is that there was gonna be an appeal and they’re gonna push to slow down those projects or cancel those projects.

And obviously, uh, one of the purchasers of one of the sites decided to sell it back to the US for about a. Billion US dollars, but the administration missed a key deadline for appeals, uh, which may indicate that they have other things to do besides fight offshore wind Now. The question really remains is, is this going to continue on that nothing is going to happen.

Uh, hopefully all the wind projects that are being built at the moment will complete and we’ll be providing power to all the onshore locations, particularly up and down along the East coast. But, uh, there’s still a long way to go here. Rosemary, I know there’s been a lot of concern about what’s happened in the United States on offshore [00:02:00] wind for several months now.

You think this is gonna be just a change of direction because there’s other things happening in the world.

Rosemary Barnes: To me, it just sounded like too hard to, unlikely to actually succeed and kind of keeps on drawing attention back to the issue. So better to just kind of let it quietly fade away and not talk about it anymore.

Allen Hall: And there is a financial emphasis for those companies that have these wind farms because if they can get their projects done. They get paid sooner. They can produce power, obviously they’re gonna get paid sooner. So there is a big incentive to push, push, push, push. And a lot of the projects are delivering power right now.

And I think the, the biggest one, which is uh, dominion Energy’s Project of Coastal Virginia, offshore Wind is doing that. So. All these wind projects that are kinder in a way I think are going to finish, which is gonna be a, a big relief to a lot of the states.

Rosemary Barnes: I don’t wanna talk about us, um, politics because I am not living there.

But don’t you have midterms coming up and potential [00:03:00] for the situation to dramatically change? Like, my understanding is that the expectation is that there will be. More, um, democratic involvement in, in decision making after the midterms. And so surely, you know, like if they don’t, if they’re not acting now, then things are likely to be easier from here on out.

Is that, is that a correct interpretation of what’s going on over there?

Allen Hall: Not correct. And Nikki, you can jump in here too. Congress can change and does every two years there’s elections in the US and so the full House of Representatives is voted in or out. So all 435 members of the House of Representatives have an election, but about a third of the Senate has an election.

So the Senate doesn’t change as dramatically as the House does, but, uh, for everything that’s been codified into law, which happened a year and a half ago, uh, the executive branch can kind of do what they [00:04:00] want there. So there will be very little that Congress can do. Once a law is a pass and the executive branch can continue on,

Rosemary Barnes: it’s two year terms for your house of reps.

Allen Hall: Yeah. It’s two years terms. Yeah.

Rosemary Barnes: That’s not very long. That’s not very good job security.

Allen Hall: It was never meant to be

Rosemary Barnes: in school. About a thousand years ago, I learned that, um, the Australian government is, is, is largely based on a combination of um, UK and. US government basically. But I think it’s a lot closer to the us.

Um, and yeah, we have, I, I think we have not, we haven’t got fixed terms, but it’s usually about every three years and yeah, you lose a few, a few months, but we don’t, we don’t do the big song and dance about it that you do with all of the, um, pre-selection and all that stuff. We don’t do that. So our, our system is a lot quicker.

Um, so yeah, I just wonder like how, how do you actually govern when you have to spend half of your time worried about, um, getting in and then you can only make plans for basically one year [00:05:00] ahead or two years ahead, like at the absolute maximum.

Allen Hall: That’s the problem with House of Representative is you nailed it right on the head, which is they’re constantly fundraising and trying to get to the next election.

Two years is a short amount of time anymore. They didn’t used to do it like that, where the last six months, maybe a year were campaign time, but pretty much once they get an election over, which happens in November, they’re already campaigning for the next one. So it does lead to a lot of chaos where things don’t happen in the House of Representatives like.

They used to maybe 20, 25 years ago. It’s changed dramatically and I don’t think Australia has that same issue weirdly enough. Although I would say you’re becoming more like the US in a lot of ways. That’s not one of them.

Rosemary Barnes: We’ve got some, there’s some things in place, like one of the advantages of basing our system on other countries as we could take.

Take the bits that worked and see what, what we could already see what didn’t really work and um, you know, try to, try to take it, um, try to take care of that, ensure that it couldn’t happen. [00:06:00] So

Allen Hall: the offshore wind piece in America rolls into other offshore wind, uh, across Europe in that, uh, although US is reconsidering offshore wind in some sense.

Europe is not. In fact, uh, France is getting very active. So you remember the France has been trying to launch, uh, offshore wind tenders for about two years. So you keep hearing France is gonna go to offshore wind, and then it didn’t really happen. Well, that political gridlock is, uh, over really how to pay for the renewables, uh, and how they’re gonna try to finance this thing.

Meanwhile, uh, France has, uh. Less than what? Two gigawatts of offshore wind operating against a, a national target of about 15 gigawatts by 2035. Uh, so there’s a lot of catching up to do the 12. They just had a 12 gigawatt package. They announced where, uh, they, they’re [00:07:00] attempting to really catch up all at once, uh, but buried inside of this tender.

Is a supply chain rule, which is very unique. So coming outta Scotland and all the things that happen with Ming Yang in Scotland, France is doing something very similar. France is limiting the percentage or the quantity of permanent magnets that can come from China. So France is saying, Hey, they don’t wanna get locked into an offshore, offshore wind supply chain that involves China specifically for, but they’re probably the most important ingredient, which is.

Permanent magnets. The Netherlands is moving ahead also and has offered two one gigawatt offshore wind farms, and it’ll be permitting those pretty quickly. So all of a sudden, the offshore wind effort for some of the countries that have been quiet in Netherlands in particular, and then France, all of a sudden probably ’cause of what’s happening in the.

The straight in the Middle East have decided to speed up their offshore wind [00:08:00] projects. Is this gonna be the right move? Do you think they’re gonna stick with this process of, of completing these projects or is this a spur of the moment decision that they’re gonna change their minds later on in the next year or two once things calm down to the Middle East?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. I mean, if it is a, a knee jerk response to the. Specific right now problem and doesn’t seem very well advised because it’s gonna be years before they actually see any electricity entering their grid. I mean, France is a bit different to other European countries ’cause they’ve got so much nuclear and in general, uh, I think with the exception of like the year before last, they had that summer where it was really hot.

They had heat waves and they had to shut down a lot of. Nuclear power plants because the cooling water was too hot. They, they couldn’t, they couldn’t put it back into the river. And, um, yeah, uh, river levels were too low in some cases. So in, in that year, they did have to import energy. Um, but in general, their energy exporters.

So I don’t, I, I would be surprised if this [00:09:00] was in direct response to, you know, that I don’t think they have an electricity crisis right now. Um, and, uh, yeah, I think it’s probably more of a long-term plan.

Allen Hall: Are they gonna force the OEMs to build product in country? GE already has an offshore wind blade factory in France.

And, uh, they can get a lot of components in Europe for sure. You could actually dictate what percentage of the wind turbine is built in France and what is built in Europe and what’s gonna be left to be imported in from China. You think this is where everybody is headed?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. I mean, I think it is. Smart move to make sure that you don’t have one single country locking down any critical part of your supply chain.

So I’ll agree with that. I haven’t seen the exact wording, but it’s not like it’s just banned that anything comes from China. I mean, that would be a good way to make sure that you didn’t ever get a timely, uh, a project completed in time. Um. So, you know, that makes sense. But, you know, if no one [00:10:00] project can use a hundred percent Chinese magnets or I, I don’t know the wording, maybe they’re allowed to buy, um, the rare Earth materials from China and then turn them into magnets locally.

I don’t, I don’t know what the wording is, but, um, it is going to require that, you know, some new manufacturers start up and I just wonder what kind of support they’re gonna provide for that and what kind of guarantees, because it’s not, um. So straightforward to just start up a new manufacturing facility for something that has never been made in that, in that area before.

Um, you know, there’s a lot of risk and hard to get financing. They’re gonna want to have some, um, guarantees from the government or some support to, you know, make sure that the risk benefit is worth it.

Allen Hall: I think that’s probably the most important part of this, is the business aspect. You can’t spool up a 20 year business.

In a year that’s hard to do and you’re not gonna do it if the supply chain can willy-nilly switch to an external supply chain to China, for example. So if you do set up [00:11:00] something complicated in France, I would almost bet that they would have to pass something in law and lock it in before you see a lot of investment happening that way.

Similar things happen in the UK really is uh, with all the offshore wind growth and wanting to build turbines in the country. They’re gonna have to put some barriers in to keep the Chinese out, which they’re obviously doing

Rosemary Barnes: or provide direct support. They don’t necessarily need to make it a law. I think like the way we would do it in Australia is that the government would either co-invest or they would, you know, underride a loan or um, you know, guarantee revenue or something, something like that, to make all the pieces fall into place.

I don’t think, um, law is the only way to do it.

Allen Hall: France obviously is gonna be able to choose from a couple of wind OEMs. Where do you think they’ll go is It’s pretty much right now, I guess it’s Siemens and Vestas for sure. I’m not even sure GE is offering a offshore wind turbine at the moment. Does France [00:12:00] have a Siemens or Vestas stake at the minute?

Rosemary Barnes: Not that I know of, but what’s happening to the um, Bel Factory? The GE Blade Factory? That was. They were making blades for hall aids, which is the troubled platform that kind of turned them off. Offshore wind altogether. Um, yeah, I don’t, I don’t know what’s happened to that one.

Allen Hall: Remember that GE sold the LM factory, what up in Poland and Vestas ended up buying that?

I wonder if something similar happened here.

Rosemary Barnes: Uh, yeah. I dunno. I need to, we should have, we should have looked it up before we started recording.

Allen Hall: The thing about this podcast is that we start putting the puzzle pieces together. Before the, the pieces are out on the table. And when you see the way that GE has really slowed down offshore, obviously they talked about it a number of times that they don’t like the offshore business and would like to finish vineyard wind and all the commitments they have and then pause until they can make sure they’re gonna make money on offshore wind.

Vestas is going crazy and has made a lot of sales, [00:13:00] and I know Siemens is trying to get back into that offshore market. So you really have two players. If you are not gonna choose a Chinese turbine, you see image and you have Vestas. But onshoring, that work is an obvious, uh, French move, I think just like it was in the uk.

Rosemary Barnes: I mean, assuming that they are not gonna be choosing, uh, Chinese manufacturers, given that they’re trying to move away from that, um, yeah. Complete dominance, but I mean, why couldn’t Ming Yang or someone supply turbines but just, you know, get their, their magnets from a local supplier instead? I mean, it’s very common that, you know, like European manufacturers, if they wanna sell in India, then they have to have a certain local, um, you know, amount of local manufacturing.

So. Why wouldn’t a, a Chinese company do the same thing? So, yeah, I don’t think they’ve only got two choices, but. Those will be the obvious ones.

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I’m thinking, man, we just finished moment 2026. You ready for 2027? The answer is yes, we need to go.

Rosemary Barnes: I think it’s because the, um, certain other Australian wind energy events are spamming everyone’s inboxes with like multiple emails a day, months out. It’s got everyone thinking, gee, this conference is super annoying.

Thought about that [00:15:00] non annoying conference that I went to.

Nikki Briggs: Yeah. Well I’m not pestering people, but if anybody wants to, you know, get signed up to be a sponsor for WMA 2027, reach out to me because, you know, we’re that not annoying conference. So, um, we gotta have good sponsors. And

Rosemary Barnes: that is true. That is one thing about, about Wilmar is we keep it really cheap for attendees, but it is still a high quality conference.

And the main way that we’re able to do that is because we have really good sponsors that. Um, yeah, they, they provide money obviously, to pay for, uh, a large chunk of the event, but they also don’t expect to be allowed to get up and sell at people. Um, yeah, I, I don’t even know how we managed to get such great sponsors that are, you know, happy with that trade off, but I guess that, yeah, they’ve figured out that it isn’t actually that beneficial to get up and give a sales pitch to people who.

Receptive to it. It is much better to just get up and talk about all the things that you know, and then the people who have problems that can be solved by what you [00:16:00] do will naturally get in touch with you. I mean. I think it works better. That’s, that’s my entire sales sales approach. And I guess everybody at the, at the conference, that’s what, yeah, that’s what we’re relying on.

I think it’s a better way

Nikki Briggs: and we’re here to help and save you money.

Allen Hall: Yeah. And the Woma 2027 website is up. Just Google. It’s, and we’re looking for sponsors, although a number of sponsors, pretty much everybody from 26 who wants to be back into twenties. 27. So we’ll be, uh, reaching out to all of you and making sure that happens.

But the conference is probably gonna get bigger in 2027 just because of the demand. So we’ll be looking for a, a couple of more key sponsors. We want you to get involved as soon as possible. You should do that by, in the us. You can do that by getting a hold of, of Nikki. It’s Nikki, N-I-K-K-I dot Briggs, B-R-I-G-G s@wglightning.com.

Or you can just go to Nikki’s LinkedIn page and send her an InMail and, uh, get ahold of her that way or [00:17:00] connect with her on LinkedIn and she’d be glad to help you. Now, Rosemary, I know one of the things we talked about was, uh, some of the expansion of topics for 2027. There was a lot of feedback and we are paying close attention.

And thanks to everybody who sent us feedback on the conference, uh, the number of five star reviews are really high, and I, I’m, I’m still a little shocked and um, maybe embarrassed by like, wow. Uh, that’s awesome. But we wanna expand on some of the topics for next year, and we’re talking about doing a blade masterclass and that which would involve rosemary.

Maybe some others talking about some of the blade issues that exist around the world. And Rosemary, what are you thinking about?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, describing how the process works. ’cause that’s the, that’s probably one of the main things, or the main value that I bring to Australia is the time that I spent working at a, um, um.

Wind turbine blade manufacturer, and you know, how does the design process work? What kind of testing do they do? What [00:18:00] does certification mean? Um, all those sorts of things. Uh, they, you might think, oh, I don’t really care about that ’cause I just use the blade once I’ve got it. But anytime you run into a problem, you do need to kind of know how all that stuff works, basically.

So, um, yeah, we’ll give a, a masterclass on that topic and so you can come and get. You know, a bit of an understanding about how that works. Ask whatever questions that you’ve got that relate to your specific problems, but then, you know, even if you don’t have a problem now in the future when something comes up, you’ll have that knowledge to fall back on.

And it just really helps to be able to know when something’s not right, um, when something wasn’t done right. Um, yeah, I mean there are always at some point an argument about, you know, who’s gonna pay. So it is really helpful to know if things have been done the way that they said that they would be. The way they should be.

Um, yeah, but I’m also. I’m really keen to hear about what to include in the main conference. ’cause you know, it can’t be the same every year. Um, I’m super focused on, on blades and I, I think we, I [00:19:00] mean, blades is the biggest, the biggest topic in wind turbine o and m, so it makes sense that we would be focused on that and we’re, we will, but I have less of, um, yeah, in depth knowledge about what non blade issues people are really struggling with at the moment.

So definitely be keen to hear from. Viewers about, um, sorry, I’ll say that again. Definitely be keen to hear about potential attendees about what topics they would wanna see covered to make sure that, yeah, it’s interesting and fresh every year.

Allen Hall: Can I circle back on the masterclass a little bit because I had my own little, little mini masterclass this past week looking at the IE specification for wind turbine blades, and I don’t know what prompted me to read that document.

I thought it was gonna be a lot thicker than it was, and I was shocked at the lack of detail that on the requirement side, I always think the blade people must have millions of requirements to go [00:20:00] do. And it’s gonna be very technical and a lot of check boxes there, but turns out maybe not as many as I thought there would be.

Rosemary Barnes: Oh yeah. That’s interesting that you’re, you’re surprised. Um. I mean, I haven’t worked with it closely since when I was doing my PhD, uh, the PhD was on, there was a, yeah, design of a family, family of wind turbine blades. And so, you know, I was looking at the standard to see what, um, load cases that you had to consider, you know, like the 50 year extreme gust is one of the big ones.

And then, you know, various operational loads and that sort of thing. Um, it’s never gonna cover absolutely everything. But I, yeah. What, what, what issues do you see that are, are missing from it?

Allen Hall: Well, when, when I look at the airplane world and we qualify an airplane with the Federal Authority, whoever that could be, it could be Yasa in Europe, could be the FAA in the United States, there’s a pages, there are books of requirements and [00:21:00] guidance materials and details of things you must do to show that the airplane is.

Safe to go fly. I figured the wind turbine world would’ve adapted that to some level to have very specific requirements on design margins and, and maybe they’re there as an electrical engineer. I can’t suss all that out, but I can usually tell how rigorous the requirements are by the weight of the document.

Usually those documents make a lot of noise when you drop ’em on the desk. This was, uh, a very soft whimper. I thought, well, okay, maybe there’s a lot here I’m missing. I’m sure that I am. I’m an electrical guy. I’m gonna admit it. Right now, I don’t understand all the structural things, but on the airplane side, I know that the airplanes have a lot to do and the requirements are crazy hard, but maybe there’s a lot more tolerance in wind.

Rosemary Barnes: They do include safety margins, and there is, uh. A lot more, a lot more tolerance in wind as [00:22:00] there should be because people aren’t flying and wind turbines. You know, like if there was somebody like physically seated inside every blade 24 7, then I think that you would see that the, the standard would be, would be tightened up because you know, like every tightening of the standard is going to result in an increase in cost.

So I mean, the biggest difference that I. I I see between, um, arrow and wind, aside from the, the safety issue is the maintenance. There is annual maintenance and they are maintained more than that. They’re, they’re constantly doing stuff, but like if it’s possible to design it to last for 20 or 30 years without needing maintenance, and that’s the way that you want it to be.

In general, blades are not supposed to be maintained until there’s a problem. Um, you know, it’s not like. Places where you know that you’re gonna be replacing grease or, um, you know, anything, anything like that that’s built for accessibility. The blades are certainly, certainly not. So yeah, I mean, [00:23:00]you’re definitely not maintaining in the same way as you are with, um, aerospace or Yeah, just aviation.

Allen Hall: Howard Pinrose has the, for motor dock, has the Chaos and Caffeine podcast. Which is on YouTube and I watch that. Typically Saturday morning, I think that’s when it comes out. It’s on the weekend. And his last, uh, podcast was about the studies about general maintenance. Back to Rosemary, your point that performing general maintenance, regardless of how much there is, is less costly than trying to fix it on the fly.

And that if you devote. Sufficient resources to keeping the equipment maintained in the, in the way it was intended to. You’re gonna have significantly less problems. Uh, and lower costs, but it’s surprising. Wind doesn’t do that

Rosemary Barnes: well, but I mean, the difference is that wind is designed to not be maintained.

So it’s, it’s not easier engineering, or not [00:24:00] engineering. It’s not like lazy. It’s actually the opposite. It’s actually really hard to design something that won’t need to be maintained for 30 years. I mean, think about another machine that is not supposed to be looked at for 30 years and you know, that will go through the stress that a wind turbine blade does.

But you know, if you think of. Yeah, anything that’s inside your blade, like think about, um, the lightning cable in a blade. Um, you know, like the, if it, if it breaks, you have to cut open the blade to get into it. And, um, most of the length of the blade, that would be, that would be what you would do. It’s huge, huge, huge repair.

Um, so, you know, you design it so that that will very rarely happen in theory, you know, if everything’s working well, maybe the lightning cable is a bad example because, um, the lightning protection system is. Almost certainly the, the least well-functioning part of a, a wind turbine, I’d say. But you know, like you think about in every other part of the blade structure, you know, you design it so that it will last for 30 years easily.

Um, and then [00:25:00] it’s only when several things go wrong that you would end up having to go in and do that. Um, that maintenance.

Allen Hall: This should be kind of a woma topic actually, because is it even conceivable that you could have minimal maintenance on such a. Heavy industrial piece of equipment for 30 years versus every other machine in human operation that can’t do that.

What other machine, I’m sure somebody will write in about that. And if you, if you know what, a machine will operate for 30 years with no maintenance, please send us a note because I don’t know what that is.

Rosemary Barnes: No, I, I think Brent turbines are really, are really special and I think that it is, uh, like commonly misunderstood that, um, you know.

Not maintaining for 30 years is, you know, somehow not in engineering correctly or making the engineering easier, but it’s the opposite. You’re making the engineering harder. The same with manufacturing of, um, the blades specifically or anything made out of composite materials. Like the tolerances are huge, but the fact is that that makes the engineering harder, not easier because it has to work at [00:26:00] any, you know, if the web is here or if it’s a hundred millimeters this way, it’s still has to work exactly the same for the exact same amount of time.

So to make it low cost and reliable for that amount of time with that little maintenance is a huge job. Um, and you know, one world record that I know that wind turbines have is that the blades are the largest, like single piece component of any human made structure. There is nothing, there’s nothing bigger than, um, a wind turbine blade.

Like a bridge is made of multiple different members and a airplane. Has, you know, two, two wings that don’t even, even the span of most airplanes isn’t, um, both wings together isn’t the same as the longest wind turbine blades. Like, there’s not, there’s no one big single component that’s bigger than a wind turbine blade.

Not to mention the strain. Um, they bend a lot that they, they really, they really bend a lot. That’s a very. Difficult operating environment. They do millions of, of fatigue cycles in their [00:27:00] lifetime. Uh, it’s just like, you know, they’re, they’re breaking records all over the place. It’s a, it’s a super cool thing to mark on as an engineer, to be honest.

Allen Hall: Okay. So at Walmart 2026, I know that was one of the discussions that popped up, uh, on the panel, was what should we expect for a lifetime? Or sort of a less re a reduced level of maintenance on a wind turbine. And the answer was maybe a year. And I thought that was a very Australian way of answering that question.

It’s, it’s a real answer. I think, uh, the people that operate wind turbines know that that probably is true. You got about a year and then you gotta get on it. But financial investors don’t necessarily have that opinion about it. They think you just turn it on, let it run 30 years and collect all this money and.

What we’re learning is it’s, it’s a complicated problem. And Rosemary, I think you’re 100% right. All the variables that happen during the manufacturing and the design of a wind turbine have to incorporate safety features that keep that operating for 30 years. That’s really hard to do, [00:28:00] and you’d have no way to really verify it once you shove it out the door, especially the first thousand you make.

It’s almost an impossible task.

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, I mean there obviously there is heaps of maintenance that needs to be done to, to wind turbines, even if it is incredibly low maintenance compared to other kinds of machines. And if you are skipping that kind of maintenance or doing it incorrectly, then that is definitely a very um, Australia relevant issue.

You know, everyone’s on these full service agreements. Sometimes not for the full lifetime of the the turbine. So you can imagine if you’re kind of like half-assing your maintenance for the, those first 10 years, then you’re just sending a, you know, time bomb to the next person to take over that contract.

So. That’s a real challenge, but I’d see it with blades where it’s like, oh, they’re just quietly fixing, um, damages. They get the same damage over and over again and they just quietly fix it and not say anything and, or, you know, not really raise it like maybe you’re technically getting the reports, but it’s never flagged that, you know, Hey, this is a serial issue and no one’s ever investigating.

What’s the [00:29:00] real root cause of this? It might be that, you know, they’re fixing it well enough to last to the end of the FSA period. And then, yeah. Oh hey. Turns out your whole fleet has a serial issue that you need to take care of now with, without the backing of the manufacturer, which, um, you know, obviously makes it about 10 times harder.

Allen Hall: And that’s why you want to go to Wilma 2027 because we’re gonna to talk about that issue in a. About 20 others during the two day event. At least that’s what it’s scheduled for right now. Maybe it’ll go to a third day. Rosemary, maybe we need to add a third day because of all the topics

Rosemary Barnes: we need to move to a beach location.

If we’re gonna start going for multiple days,

Allen Hall: Rosemary wants to have it in Fiji or was it Tahiti? What was the other place you were saying you would like to go to?

Rosemary Barnes: Tahiti would be fine. Um, Maldives is what I was saying, but yeah, I will accept that. It’s not that. Logical to run Australia. Um, win o and m event offshore.

Allen Hall: We wanna send a congratulations to Yolanda and [00:30:00]Manuel as they have gotten married down in Mexico, uh, with all friends and family, several hundred attendees as I have learned. So congratulations to those two. And Yolanda will be back on the podcast. In the next week or two, that wraps up another episode of the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast.

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