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Definition for Ethanol 

Ethanol is a type of biofuel that is produced through the fermentation and distillation of plant-based feedstocks, such as corn, sugarcane, or wheat. It is a clear, colorless alcohol with the chemical formula C2H5OH

Ethanol is commonly used as a renewable fuel additive in gasoline, where it is blended in varying concentrations, such as E10 (10% ethanol, 90% gasoline) or E85 (85% ethanol, 15% gasoline). It can also be used as a standalone fuel in specially designed flexible-fuel vehicles (FFVs).

As a renewable fuel, ethanol offers several advantages. It is considered a cleaner-burning fuel compared to gasoline, as it produces fewer emissions of carbon monoxide, particulate matter, and certain toxic compounds. Ethanol is also biodegradable and non-toxic, making it less harmful to the environment in the event of spills or leaks. Additionally, the production of ethanol utilizes renewable resources, allowing for reduced reliance on finite fossil fuel reserves.

Ethanol has been widely adopted as a biofuel in many countries as a means to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, promote energy security, and support rural economies through the production of feedstock crops. Ongoing research and development efforts focus on improving the efficiency of ethanol production processes and exploring advanced feedstocks, such as cellulosic biomass, to further enhance its sustainability and viability as a renewable fuel source.

Derived from renewable biomass, such as sugarcane, corn, and wheat, ethanol offers a cleaner alternative to conventional gasoline. This article will delve into the specifics of ethanol as a renewable fuel, including its benefits, production methods, and the challenges associated with its widespread adoption.

Exploring Ethanol as a Renewable Fuel

Ethanol is a biofuel derived from plant sources such as corn, sugarcane, or wheat. It has gained significant attention as a renewable fuel option due to its potential to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and decrease dependence on fossil fuels. Ethanol can be blended with gasoline, typically in mixtures like E10 (10% ethanol, 90% gasoline) or E85 (85% ethanol, 15% gasoline), and used as a transportation fuel.

One of the primary advantages of ethanol as a renewable fuel is its ability to contribute to a lower carbon footprint. Unlike fossil fuels, the combustion of ethanol does not release additional carbon dioxide into the atmosphere since the carbon emitted during combustion is originally absorbed from the atmosphere by the plants during their growth. This cycle of carbon absorption and release is known as a closed carbon loop, making ethanol a more environmentally friendly option.

Moreover, ethanol has a higher octane rating than gasoline, which can enhance engine performance and efficiency. It also helps reduce harmful emissions such as carbon monoxide and particulate matter, leading to improved air quality and public health benefits. Ethanol production processes continue to evolve, with advancements in feedstock selection, conversion technologies, and energy efficiency, making it an increasingly viable and sustainable option for renewable fuel.

Type of Ethanol

Ethanol can be categorized into different types based on its production process and intended use. 

Here are some common types of ethanol:

Fuel Ethanol: This type of ethanol is primarily produced for use as a renewable fuel. It is commonly blended with gasoline in varying concentrations, such as E10 (10% ethanol, 90% gasoline) or E85 (85% ethanol, 15% gasoline), and used as a transportation fuel. Fuel ethanol is subject to specific quality standards and regulations to ensure its suitability for use in engines and to meet environmental requirements.

Industrial Ethanol: Industrial ethanol is produced for various industrial applications. It is used as a solvent, ingredient in chemical processes, and in the production of personal care products, pharmaceuticals, and cosmetics. Industrial ethanol often has different purity requirements and specifications depending on the specific industrial application.

Beverage Ethanol: This type of ethanol is produced for use in alcoholic beverages. It undergoes strict quality control measures to ensure its safety for human consumption. Beverage ethanol is typically highly purified and meets specific standards and regulations established for the production of spirits, wines, and other alcoholic beverages.

Denatured Ethanol: Denatured ethanol is ethanol that has been rendered unfit for human consumption by adding denaturants. Denaturants are substances that make the ethanol undrinkable, such as methanol or certain chemicals. Denatured ethanol is used in various industrial applications, including as a solvent, in cleaning products, and in the production of personal care items.

It’s important to note that the production and use of ethanol may vary by region and local regulations. The specific type of ethanol used in a particular application depends on factors such as purity requirements, intended use, and applicable standards and regulations.

Benefits of Ethanol as a Renewable Fuel

Here is benefit of Ethanol

Reduced greenhouse gas emissions: Ethanol has a lower carbon content compared to gasoline, leading to decreased greenhouse gas emissions and reduced contributions to climate change.

Renewable and sustainable: Ethanol is produced from biomass feedstocks, which can be grown and replenished, making it a renewable and sustainable fuel source.

Energy security: Ethanol production promotes energy independence by reducing reliance on imported fossil fuels and diversifying the energy mix.

Engine compatibility: Ethanol can be blended with gasoline in various ratios (such as E10, E15, or E85) and used in conventional internal combustion engines with minor modifications, making it compatible with existing infrastructure and vehicles.

Ethanol Production Methods

Ethanol, a renewable fuel with multiple applications, can be produced through different methods, each with its own strengths and considerations. One widely used method is fermentation, where biomass feedstocks, such as corn, sugarcane, or wheat, are converted into ethanol through the action of yeast or bacteria. 

The feedstock is typically processed to extract or convert the sugars, which are then fermented into ethanol. Fermentation is a well-established and commercially viable process, widely employed in both fuel ethanol and beverage alcohol production. It benefits from its simplicity, scalability, and compatibility with various feedstocks, making it a versatile option for ethanol production.

Another promising method for ethanol production is through enzymatic conversion. This method involves the use of enzymes to break down complex carbohydrates, such as cellulose or hemicellulose, into fermentable sugars. Enzymes act as catalysts, accelerating the conversion process and enabling the utilization of cellulosic biomass, including agricultural residues, wood chips, or dedicated energy crops. 

Enzymatic conversion offers the potential to expand the feedstock options for ethanol production, reducing the reliance on food crops and utilizing abundant, non-food biomass resources. While enzymatic conversion is still under development and faces challenges related to enzyme cost and efficiency, ongoing research and technological advancements are making this method increasingly promising and commercially viable.

Fermentation: The most common method of ethanol production involves the fermentation of feedstocks containing high sugar or starch content, such as sugarcane, corn, or wheat. Enzymes or yeast are used to break down the sugars, converting them into ethanol through a fermentation process.

Distillation: After fermentation, the resulting ethanol mixture is distilled to remove impurities, resulting in high-purity ethanol suitable for fuel use.

Co-products: Ethanol production often generates valuable co-products, such as animal feed (distillers’ grains) and carbon dioxide, which find applications in various industries.

Challenges and Considerations for Ethanol Production

Land and resource competition: The production of ethanol from food crops, such as corn, can raise concerns regarding potential competition with food supplies and land use changes. Sustainable sourcing and the development of non-food-based feedstocks, such as cellulosic materials, are crucial for mitigating these challenges.

Energy balance: The energy required to produce ethanol should be carefully evaluated to ensure a positive energy balance. Efficient production methods and the use of renewable energy sources in the production process can enhance the overall sustainability of ethanol.

Infrastructure and distribution: Widespread adoption of ethanol as a fuel requires adequate infrastructure and distribution networks for blending, storage, and transportation. Expanding the availability of ethanol fueling stations and ensuring compatibility with existing vehicle fleets are essential steps for successful implementation.

Public awareness and acceptance: Educating the public about the benefits of ethanol as a renewable fuel and addressing any misconceptions or concerns can contribute to its wider acceptance and support.

Conclusion for Exploring Ethanol as a Renewable Fuel

Ethanol offers a sustainable and renewable solution to mitigate the environmental impact of transportation fuels. 

Its ability to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, promote energy security, and leverage existing infrastructure makes it a viable option for a greener future. However, addressing challenges related to land use, energy balance, infrastructure, and public acceptance is crucial for the successful integration of ethanol as a mainstream renewable fuel. 

Continued research and development in ethanol production techniques and the exploration of alternative feedstocks will further enhance its sustainability and pave the way for a more environmentally friendly transportation sector.

In conclusion, ethanol represents a promising and versatile renewable fuel option with significant potential to contribute to a sustainable energy future. Its production methods, such as fermentation and enzymatic conversion, offer efficient ways to convert biomass feedstocks into ethanol, reducing reliance on fossil fuels and mitigating greenhouse gas emissions. Ethanol has already found widespread use as a blending component in gasoline, improving fuel performance and reducing carbon dioxide emissions.

The benefits of ethanol extend beyond its role as a transportation fuel. Ethanol can be produced from a variety of feedstocks, including agricultural residues and dedicated energy crops, promoting rural development and providing economic opportunities. Additionally, ethanol has the potential to enhance energy security by diversifying the energy mix and reducing dependence on finite fossil fuel resources.

While challenges such as feedstock availability, production costs, and technological advancements remain, ongoing research and development efforts are addressing these issues. Advances in ethanol production methods, along with improvements in feedstock selection and sustainability practices, will continue to enhance the viability and effectiveness of ethanol as a renewable fuel.

By further supporting the development and implementation of ethanol as a renewable fuel, we can accelerate the transition to a more sustainable and low-carbon energy system. Ethanol offers a renewable energy solution that reduces greenhouse gas emissions, promotes energy security, supports rural economies, and paves the way towards a cleaner and more sustainable future.

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Ayn Rand and the Virtue of Selfishness

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From a reader:  Okay… confession: I only physically read about a quarter of it.

I’ll make an even greater confession: I read “Atlas Shrugged” and “The Fountainhead” back-to-back when I was a teenager, and they meant a great deal to me at the time.

It was a couple of decades later that I realized that “the virtue of selfishness,” as Rand described her philosophy, is a horrible basis on which to build a society. Fortunately, there isn’t a nation on Earth where everything is privatized: roads, tunnels, bridges, airports, law enforcement, criminal justice, disaster relief, libraries, national defense, bank deposit insurance, emergency healthcare, food safety, etc.

Moreover, hoping that rich and selfish people will restrain themselves from ruining the environment is a joke.

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Statement on USDA Proposed Updates to the Agricultural Foreign Investment Disclosure Act from ACORE President and CEO Ray Long 

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Statement on USDA Proposed Updates to the Agricultural Foreign Investment Disclosure Act from ACORE President and CEO Ray Long 

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Agricultural Foreign Investment Disclosure Act (AFIDA) is critical legislation to protect U.S. national security. Given the ever-evolving threat environment, we support the effort to update and improve AFIDA to better protect the security of American agricultural land. 

USDA’s current proposed rule significantly expands AFIDA in ways that could ultimately create more burdens for energy security than protections for national security.

We submitted a comment letter proposing multiple adjustments to the proposed rule that could prevent potential slowdowns in the deployment of solar power and the building of pipelines. We also propose adjustments that prioritize submissions from foreign adversaries and Foreign Adversary Controlled Entities, giving appropriate emphasis to valid national security risks without unduly sacrificing the timeliness and effectiveness of the data collection AFIDA mandates. 

We look forward to working with the USDA and our partners across the energy sector on an appropriate path forward to address national security concerns presented by foreign ownership of American agricultural land while considering the need for the development of affordable, reliable, and secure energy infrastructure.

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ACORE is a nonpartisan nonprofit organization that operates at the intersection of affordability, reliability, and clean energy deployment. Our work is focused on stabilizing energy prices, strengthening the electric grid, and driving investment in cost-effective technologies to ensure that clean energy delivers for people, businesses, and the U.S. economy.

ACORE’s membership includes clean energy investors, developers, energy buyers, power generators, manufacturers, and energy providers. In 2024, nearly 80% of the booming utility-scale domestic clean energy growth was financed, developed, owned, equipped, or contracted by ACORE members. For more information, visit www.acore.org. 

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ORE Catapult Blade Survey, Siemens Gamesa Turns a Profit

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ORE Catapult Blade Survey, Siemens Gamesa Turns a Profit

ORE Catapult wants industry blade failure data, Siemens Gamesa posts its first profit since 2022, and Vattenfall sweeps Denmark’s offshore auction. Fill out the ORE Catapult survey!

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Allen Hall: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy podcast. I’m your host, Allen Hall, and I’m here with Rosemary Barnes, Matthew Sted, and Yolanda Padron. And it has been a real interesting week out in the renewable land, uh, if you’ve been watching some of the news, and we’re gonna talk about a number of those stories this week.

But I wanna lead off with what ORE Catapult is doing over in the UK. So if, if you haven’t followed ORE Catapult, they are a, a research investigative arm and a huge proponent of wind, offshore wind in the United Kingdom, and they’ve done a, a tre- really tremendous amount of work in some of the, uh, particular problems that exist in wind trying to help [00:01:00] solve them.

They have a survey that’s out, and if you haven’t seen it, you can just Google ORE Catapult and put in survey, and you’ll come to either an article or get to their site. And Rosemary and Yolanda, there’s a couple of particular items that they’re asking questions about. Uh, a lot of it is asking specific questions about torsional stability of blades.

Have you seen more difficulty with torsion? Is… Do we need a torsion test? I think that was one of the questions. Uh, also looking at ranking of the different issues that happen with blades in particular. That’s what I noticed. Uh, you know, where’s lightning? Where’s blade connections? Where’s structural issues?

Where do you rank all those different things? And I, I have not seen a survey like this in quite a while. Is this something that we need to do more of? I know [00:02:00] ORE Catapult will get a huge amount of feedback, at least I hope, over in the UK and, and around Europe. I don’t think many Americans are gonna be contributing to that too much since you don’t have a lot of offshore wind.

But is this going in the right direction? Do we need more of these industry surveys about structural blade issues?

Yolanda Padron: Yeah, I think these surveys are a really good idea. Uh, the only thing that scares me from the owner side is that sometimes there’s a little bit of, uh- Teams don’t really love the idea of sharing information that might seem like it’s, um, like intellectual property to their internal teams.

Even if as an engineer, of course, you love the idea of sharing and finding out like, um, what everybody else is, is experiencing on their site. Um, and so I really hope that the teams can really look, like their internal teams can really look past that because this would be a really great tool [00:03:00] for everybody to use.

I know I looked at the survey myself and some of the questions kind of gave people the, the opportunity to kind of anonymize their data and then just kind of share it and have it. It seemed like it, it would probably be a platform that everybody could look at or everybody that, that shared could look at.

And I think that it could be really, really good for operators to be able to know kind of if what they’re seeing on site is normal and just to be able to see what they’re signing up for when there’s a new site coming in. Or if it’s a site that’s been operational for a while, you can see what’s, hopefully, what’s happening to a quite older site than yours.

So just to, to be able to be a bit more prepared, um, since a lot of these sites are from different own- owners. But I think it’s a really good idea.

Allen Hall: The survey asked questions about leading edge erosion, torsional loads, root joint integrity, lightning damage, manufacturing defects, which is a big [00:04:00] issue right now, extreme loading events, which also, uh, is, uh, coming about more often, uh, repair performance, and end of life fatigue.

So there’s a, a series of questions about that and when do you experience these items in the lifetime of a blade. Is it more towards the beginning of the operation or more towards the end? That is important to know ’cause it, how you go about managing blades depends on that. The torsional questions were more specific.

Uh, in your experience, how well understood are the effects on blade longevity of torsional loads compared to bending loads? And I think that relates back to some of the, uh, issues that have been seen on some offshore blades where there’s no existing test for torsion because it’s so hard to do. Whereas bending loads, we pretty well understand that and can do lifetime testing essentially for, for bending loads.

So the torsional one I think is gonna raise a lot of question marks to hopefully with people, and we can come up [00:05:00] with a, a better approach to that.

Yolanda Padron: Hopefully, yeah. I think this is, I mean, this is just a really good idea to if, if everybody could partake. Um, I would really love to see something similar if people could in, in onshore.

And so just something that’s, that’s shared a, uh, a little bit more widely I think would be really, really great. Uh, the only thing that might stre- or not stress me out, but- you know, I think people need to be careful about is just making sure that you’re not, um, that you actually use your data and not just kind of like, “Oh, I know that I remember this terrible lightning damage that I got in this really, really bad area, so I’m gonna mark as though most of my lightning damage happens in that bad area.”

So just, just make sure you don’t use confirmation bias for, for that, but

Matthew Stead: I can also add to it as well ’cause, um, we’ve done a fair bit of work with all Catapult over the years, um, particularly through the new IEC standard for blade O&M. Um, and, uh, [00:06:00] definitely through the new blade O&M standard, the topic of blade twist has come up multiple times.

Um- And also adding to that, you know, our organization has done twist on, twist measurements on 100 meter blades, and the twist that we measured was more than the OEM expected. Um, so I think this is a bit of a sleeper topic, um, and I think OR Catapult is doing the right thing by gathering more information.

Allen Hall: There is a l- little database that’s gonna be put together, at least looking at the questions. Question 12, and everybody hopefully will go in and, and participate in the survey, but it says, “Would you be interested in sharing redacted failure data into a industry-wide database to help inform research agenda for blade development and O&M tools and solutions?”

That is a great idea. Having a database so we understand the scale of problems and can put some numbers [00:07:00] to them, and then we can do some more research in those areas, and focus research where we’re actually gonna spend money in the right places, which has been my fight for the last five, six years, where we spend a lot of money, but not necessarily where we need to.

That’s a great question, and hopefully OR Catapult does p- put together a database.

Rosemary Barnes: Companies really, really, really struggle to provide access to their data. Like, um, it, y- yeah, it, it’s, it’s very hard to get it beyond just using for their own specific project. I’ll be, I’ll be so happy if this database gets up and becomes publicly available so that every- everybody can use it to create the solutions that the industry needs.

But I know how hard a challenge it is, so I’m wishing them heaps of, heaps of luck to get it to work.

Matthew Stead: And can I also add that, um, OR Catapult also did a wonderful presentation at Blades Europe, where they talked about life extension. They talked about the actual loading on the blades, um, influencing the fatigue life.

And so I think, you know, that excellent [00:08:00] database hopefully, as we talked about, gets fed into some of their work about life extension.

Allen Hall: Well, OR Catapult is trying to get ahead of blade failures before they cost money. Uh, our next company knows exactly what that costs. Siemens Gamesa is still climbing out of a serial defect problem, and it posted its first profit in four years.

So we’ll be back to talk about that in a moment.

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Allen Hall: Siemens Gamesa has finally turned a [00:09:00] profit, its first time since 2022. Uh, now comes the hard part. Order intake in the third quarter fell 77% from 4.89 billion euros a year ago to 1.05 billion Chief Executive Christian Bruch, uh, says a lot of the offshore projects that were originally planned are slipping, and as we’ve seen in the news, and that developers are not willing to make final investment decisions right now.

Uh, in Germany, developers are lobbying to hand 16 gigawatts of offshore sites back to the states, and, and Bruch says that the, the capacity is, is not going to be built. Onshore, uh, the relaunched 5.X platform is ramping up slowly after the serial defect shutdown, with approvals still holding some orders back.

So Siemens Gamesa is going to make a push, or [00:10:00] Omtera I guess it is called now, w- is going to make a push, uh, into the 5.X machine and continue on on the offshore side. But boy, some of these, uh, auctions and, uh, bidding processes are not great for Siemens at the moment.

Matthew Stead: I’ve got a question. Did, um, did Siemens actually stop selling for a while as well?

Is that part of their order intake loss?

Allen Hall: Some of the machines, I believe, the 4.X and the 5.X, when they had the serial defect issues, uh, they put a hold on them for a little while and, and did a complete redesign, I believe, on the blades. But other turbines I thought were still being offered for sale, and I thought I saw s- some installs in the United States going on, more on the two megawatt, three megawatt machines, uh, but n- not the bigger ones.

And, and offshore too, like it sound- does sound like the large offshore wind project in the United States, which is the coastal Virginia offshore wind project, uh, off the, you know, a couple of miles off the coast of Virginia, is [00:11:00]going a little bit slower than they thought. Uh, so maybe there’s a, a little bit to the 14.

It’s, that’s a Siemens Gamesa 14-236 direct drive machine that’s going in there. So there, there’s some still learning curves going on from what I can see, but it does seem like it’s, uh, it’s, you know, formerly Siemens Energy, there’s a huge amount of money to be had in this corporation. So if the wind division is not doing all that great, it, it’s kind of like GE Vernova.

There, there’s other ways to make money.

Matthew Stead: There’s also, I mean, I’m just wondering if there’s a bit of a blip. It’s just a short-term correction in terms of the order intake, and, you know, once they get back on track, uh, it’ll, it’ll revert again. Uh, that’s what I hope for, hope for.

Allen Hall: We’re gonna move on to Vattenfall.

Uh, there was a Danish offshore auction, and Vattenfall won both of them. And Ørsted did bid and didn’t win, and no one seems to care too much that Ørsted didn’t win. Uh, and Vattenfall, it’s, it’s a huge deal for [00:12:00] Vattenfall. So- Orsted not winning in their own backyard does seem like a problem politically

Rosemary Barnes: If Denmark wanted to have, you know, local companies winning these auctions, then they could’ve, they could’ve, uh, you know, made it for l- local companies only or tilted the playing field in their favor.

Um, so yeah, uh, I don’t know, maybe that’s the outcome that they want. If they want… It’s always like a, a tension, right? If you, you want cheap- the cheapest prices on one hand, you want local content on the other, and if you, you know, anything you do to one of those two sides affects the other. So yeah, like, in general, the more you encourage local content, then the more restrictions you place on companies to choose a cheaper supplier in every case.

Uh, Denmark is at least well-placed to have good world-class suppliers in, you know, most, most categories of the things that you need in an offshore wind [00:13:00] farm. But yeah, I mean, you see it all over the world. Uh, you know, Australia periodically tries to, uh, you know, get more local content, but it’s very, it’s very hard for us ’cause we don’t have a whole thriving ecosystem.

And so it’s like you’ve gotta pick out the one thing that you think that we could compete on and then subsidize that, and then it’s just, like, so… it’s such a weird distortion. And if companies didn’t already wanna choose that local supplier, it’s because it’s more expensive, so therefore you are necessarily adding cost.

Um, I think Taiwan d- uh, has h- experienced a lot of this with their offshore industry, right? Where they kind of s- they got really enthusiastic about local content, and everyone’s like, “Yeah, this is a great thing to do ’cause you can get local manufacturing, and you can develop a whole thriving industry But then when it comes down to it, you know, it’s not so great to have, like, whoever set up the, the system that you’ve gotta adhere to to get these projects in place, like, they’re not the experts in developing offshore [00:14:00] projects for a cheap price and on schedules, obviously.

Other- otherwise they’d be working in that, in that role. So you, uh, do end up making things really hard for the developers, and then you- they ended up with very expensive projects. And, um, because the local content, you know, like, they had what sounded, in theory at the start, like a good, um, like a good idea.

They start off with a low local content requirement and gradually ratcheted it up as the industry is supposed to mature. But what they saw was the prices just ratcheted up in parallel. Um, especially once the few things that can be competitively supplied, uh, locally, once you… That is not sufficient to y- y- you know, once the local content amount exceeds what you can achieve with those competitive industries, then yeah, you do start to see people having to spend a lot more and add a lot of project risk if you’re, y- you know, uh, going with brand new suppliers that have never, you know, never supplied a project like that before.

So I can kind of [00:15:00] understand why Denmark wouldn’t be so focused on, yeah, our local, our local company needs to win.

Matthew Stead: Yeah. Yeah, com- competition is a good thing, isn’t it? So yeah, you can’t have everyone winning all the time.

Rosemary Barnes: I think it’s such an interesting time, though, in the world where, and I’m changing my mind about this, like, yes, competition is a good thing, but if you only have competition, um, and don’t consider your country’s, you know, local competitiveness, then you end up not being able to make anything, especially when we’ve got, y- you know, in the world at the moment, there’s so much globalization, like, way more than ever before in the world’s history.

And, you know, there are countries or our country mostly, that has, you know, 50% of market share for certain things, and more for other things that people need. It’s like, so- They can obviously, just based on scale alone, can produce things at prices that no [00:16:00] one else can compete with. And then you add in that not every country is totally committed to 100% fair global playing field and, you know, there are subsidies involved and incentives and that sort of thing.

Like, you do just end up with every other country not thinking it’s economic to make anything at all. And then, yeah, I mean, everyone knows monopolies are bad, right? I don’t think that would be any different for supply chains. So I think, yeah, like we’re about to have a re-reckoning or are in the process of a re-reckoning about how much globalization is a good thing, how much free trade is a good thing, how much, you know, just letting the market take care of it is a good thing because nobody wants to end up in a situation where, you know, the whole world is dependent on one country to make absolutely everything.

Yolanda Padron: Yeah, but is it, isn’t it also kind of like a cultural thing here for Vattenfall, um, like for Dane- Denmark itself to try to be very [00:17:00]strict about the rules and if Ørsted didn’t win the bid, then they didn’t win the bid type of thing? Like, to not try to give them as much of a, of an advantage ’cause they’re still owned majorly by the Crown, right?

Allen Hall: It’s like 50% ownership by the state, right, Ørsted still.

Yolanda Padron: In general they, they have a lot of- very Danish rules of like against, you know, uh, in the US against like PACs and lobbying and stuff, and things that are very common here because it’s more culturally aligned with Denmark. Um, so I guess it, I mean, it does, it, it does make sense, right?

That they would try to separate that as much as possible to try to not have that conflict of interest.

Rosemary Barnes: I think Denmark, um, definitely wouldn’t consider themselves rule followers, ’cause if you compare them to their immediate neighbors like, um, Sweden and Germany, the Danes are like a lot more relaxed.

They have this saying in, [00:18:00] uh, Denmark that i- in, in Sweden, everything that isn’t forbidden is mandatory. That’s how they think of, of the Swedes.

Allen Hall: Wow. There’s a lot that’s not forbidden, Rosemary. You’re going into some murky waters there. Okay.

Rosemary Barnes: That’s their perception, and I think it is true relative to Sweden.

The Swede- Swedes are more rule followers. But as, um, someone that comes from a probably more relaxed country, again, yes, the Danes did really like following rules. Um, like a lot of unwritten rules as well. I remember one specific example I remember actually, uh, we had like a whole, uh, I did Danish language classes when I was there, and part of that was like a cultural education.

One of the classes was based around, uh, some of the unwritten rules in society, and one of them is it’s this date, and I don’t remember the date, but there is a certain date that if you have not trimmed your hedge by that date, that is just like y- you are not an upstanding member of society. Like, that is just like ab- absolutely not okay and like everybody that walks [00:19:00] past your house is like, “Oh my God, they haven’t trimmed their hedge yet,” and people will be talking about it and in the canteen at work.

So definitely they do like to follow the rules. But what I will say about Denmark also is that I think that they usually top the world’s list, or at least close to the top in terms of trust. Um, they trust people in general, but especially they trust government institutions. And I think that you can’t have trust in government institutions if they pick and choose, um, when they’re going to enforce the rules or not.

So I think that in that sense, yeah, of course, they’re not going to after the fact go, “Oh, this, the, oh, we had an auction, but the result wasn’t the way we liked it, so we’re gonna change it.” Like, that’s not a very trustworthy thing for a government to do. They do rely, obviously we’re a small country, they rely a lot on international trade, and so I think that they would see a big risk in, um, yeah, having their auction be anything but fully transparent and fair.

So yeah. Anyway, that’s my, my cultural interpretation based on having lived in Denmark for five years. Uh, [00:20:00] five years ago now. It’s been a while.

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