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DSPTCH: Revolutionizing Wind Farm Management

Allen Hall and Joel Saxum interview Alex Jones, co-founder of DSPTCH, about the app’s evolution from a wind farm locator to a comprehensive operations management and IRA compliance tool for renewable energy. They discuss new features, prevailing wage and apprenticeship tracking, industry adoption, and how DSPTCH improves efficiency and safety in wind farm operations.

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Allen Hall: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. I’m your host, Allen Hall, along with my co host, Joel Saxum. When we first discovered the software app DSPTCH, Joel and I used it to find wind farms but DSPTCH is so much more than a wind map today. DSPTCH is now widely used by operators for managing projects, handling forms, timesheets, apprenticeship tracking, and so much more.

Our guest is Alex Jones, co founder and president of DSPTCH. Alex, welcome to the show.

Alex Jones: Yeah, thanks for having me.

Allen Hall: So I. Went back into my DSPTCH app and got access to the online computer version of the DSPTCH app and was just astounded at all the advanced features you’ve added roughly over the last year.

I think I, I picked up the app when we were in New Orleans at ACP and. it to full fine wind farms, particularly with technicians on site that didn’t know where their own wind turbines were. So it was really helpful there, but you want to talk about some of the things you guys are doing now?

Alex Jones: Yeah, for sure.

This year at OMS, we launched a new product the safety side, we call it oversight and it really just gives asset owners and EPCs, really anyone who wants to come in Yeah. The ability to manage that site, add points put in emergency documents, emergency contacts. And we’ve really gone long on that front.

So we had one of our clients and utility partners reach out and they were making flyers for DSPTCH for fire departments, EMS, so on and so forth. And we were like, okay explain what you’re doing. And we’ve turned that into a product now, and we’ve seen a huge surge in local first responders, emergency teams getting on there’s been a few Incidents recently in the industry and then you add in tornadoes and wildfires and all these other things.

So people are looking to map. Hey, I want to know where my tornado shelters are. I want to know local emergency response teams phone numbers for emergency contacts and then even things like helicopter landing points. So we now support adding all of those things to the map and then updating any information like about the site itself, adding documents, those sorts of things.

And so we’ve really seen that take off and become a part of site orientation for a number of asset owners and so on. And it’s evolved into a pretty neat safety tool.

Joel Saxum: Yeah. I was thinking about this I’m speaking from the mind of a traveling wind turbine technician, right?

Cause this comes from my oil and gas past every site you go on every O& M building you visit. They hand you your sheet of paper. This is your ERP, your emergency response plan. This is where the, the tornado shelter is. This is where the O& M building is. Here’s the closest hospital, all these different things.

Now you have a living one that’s in your phone. Every technician has their phone on them all the time. That’s just a given, right? So then, and if there is a massive update, Oh, we’re using a different thing. Are we moved the truck? Cause we’ve seen the, Alan, you and I have seen those moving tornado shelters, right?

Basically you just pick them up on a truck and put them somewhere else. They’re crazy. But that’s a living document now, right? You’re not scrambling or you get in your truck and you’re like, Oh man, someone got bit by a snake. Who do I call? And you’re going through the ERPs or in the advisor or in, tucked away in the back of the seat or something like, Oh, what’s that phone number?

Now you know, you have it. Cause you’re on, you’re on wherever you’re at XYZ wind farm. Boom. You’re boom. There it is. That’s fantastic. So the oversight part of the product gives people the ability to claim, Hey, this is my wind farm. And then, Hey, we’re going to add all these different things in.

They can keep it private or is it all public or how does that work?

Alex Jones: Yeah. So a few different ways we have the ability. So we’re rolling out pretty soon the site checking capability. So anybody who’s physically on site, we’ll get access to a little bit extra. You can’t have company documents, company forms.

One of the things that we’re working towards is right now our form tool allows you to have a sort of a single pane of glass. So the idea is any vendor, any technician that comes to your site, you’re getting full tracking of every work order, every, QA, QC document against a turbine and all of that just being a nice standard way that you don’t have to have PDFs and CSVs and all those things flying around for every internal and external vendor.

And then to some degree, it allows a number of these companies as they move to self perform to just improve their ability to do that. They’re not locked into some tool or have their data behind a paywall. If they pick one partner or the other. And then we’ve seen a large adoption with EPCs lately, just.

They want to map lay down yards, roads before they’re there. One of those stories we had was, getting a gearbox during a cell delivered to the wrong tower. Now you’ve got, crane sitting idle, you’ve got folks sitting idle and it’s okay, I’ve got to go find a flatbed, get them to come back out here, pick it back up and move it a quarter of a mile.

And by the time you’re done with that, it’s okay, we had two days of everybody kind of twiddling their thumbs, waiting around for one thing to move. And Yeah, that’s been a nice use case. I think the safety side is really where we’ve seen the most uptick, but now with all this new build growth, it’s a frantic phone call or text message of hey, why isn’t this site in DSPTCH?

And it’s like you are, You’re literally building a lay down yard right now. I don’t know how you thought we would know that.

Joel Saxum: But if you’re killing those inefficiencies, right? Those are the things that just plague large projects. Rosemary on the podcast always talks about the book of how big things get done.

But there’s some practical use to that, right? Logistics inefficiencies on site because in this world too, it’s You may have an, like you say, you have an EPC contractor out there. Okay there may be 20 people on the site when it starts, and by the time that thing is over with, there may have been 500 different people roll through that site in 6 months, if you’re building a wind farm, from 5, 10, 15 different subcontractors, and all these different people, so knowing that they’re all on site, they have a live map, basically a customized version of Google Maps to get around the site, know where to put things, know what to do killing inefficiencies, that’s huge.

We, I say in this, cause we had a conversation with Heli Service USA yesterday, and it was all about how can we tackle inefficiencies in offshore wind. Now that’s what their goal was that you guys are doing the same thing, but for onshore wind, tackling those inefficiencies.

Alex Jones: Yep. And we’ve seen some interesting things come out of it.

We’ve had a few sheriffs let us know that And I had never put my self in the position of a local sheriff, but if a angry landowner calls and says there’s a loud turbine or one leaking oil, it becomes, their responsibility to track down who owns this turbine, where’s the O& M building, this, that, the other, and they’re, They may have received some onboarding documentation, but yeah, they, they have to track all that down.

So we’ve got a handful of sheriff’s departments that really like the fact that they can, open up a, open up the app, figure out who owns that, where the on end building is. And then some feedback from our folks have been the construction on building and the operational on building may be different.

And so somebody’s, vendors are calling and they’re like. Hey, I think I’m here. And really they’re at the, O and M building from the construction phase, and then it’s 30 minutes, all these sorts of silly things that happen just day over day.

Allen Hall: Let’s talk about the IRA bill and what it means for keeping track of your employees and the apprenticeship piece of that.

It does seem the paperwork requirements have grown quite a bit. And keep, and knowing. Who’s doing what and where they’re at on top of it. I understand that I don’t have employees in that situation. However, I was noticing on the app, you can actually track that now.

Alex Jones: That’s right. Yeah. We got thinking of, Hey, we’ve got these really interesting site maps.

We know where every tower is, where assets are or so on and so forth. How do we tie that into making IRA compliances here? And so as you traverse counties, you The wage determinations for what you’re supposed to pay people for failing wage change. And if you have a time card, one, we’ve got geocoding on the time cards.

And then two, if someone logs time to a particular tower, we know what county that’s in. And there’s, it’s not like there’s a sign on some of these glitchy roads that you’ve just entered Lincoln County. But that has, Like implications, the wage determination and rate you’re supposed to pay people can change and there’s even sites that cross state lines, which adds to the complexity, so our view was there are, if we’re going to actually achieve the clean energy goals that we’ve set out, We need to find ways to make sure that there’s a really wide tent of folks who provide those services.

And so when you think about, crane operators who’s who have, a single admin who’s doing payroll, doing invoicing, doing all those things. And that person now has to figure out all the hoops and complexities that come with prevailing wage. It becomes dizzying. And quite frankly, some of them just say, I’m not going to, take this work because the headaches are too much.

And so we, we’ve done things from, every single state and province level, overtime calculations are out of the box, doing those at a day level, this, that, the other, really just making it as turnkey as possible so that folks can comply and the adoption has been really exciting. We’ve seen a bunch of folks getting on, particularly on the smaller vendors and adoption among EVs amongst EPCs, and then.

Kind of surprising to us is we’ve gotten pulled into hydrogen and CCUS projects and now even projects that are getting transmission funding via the bipartisan infrastructure law are required to comply with some of the same prevailing wage and apprenticeship ratios. Yeah we’re quickly going to where clients are asking us to go, but the dizzying requirements and compliance check boxes you got to hit we’re just trying to make that a lot easier for everybody out there.

Joel Saxum: Let me ask you this one, the CCUS project. So for people who don’t know what those are, it’s carbon captures, of course. Yeah, and underground storage and sequestration for some people, but so in those projects what are they what employees, what are they tracking? Are they, how does that work?

Alex Jones: So a number of sites where they’re building out, entire pipeline networks going from a CO2 source and then to an actual injection site building some of the injection sites themselves. And so one. Crossing a ton of different counties, a lot of folks working on there between folks delivering the actual steel for the pipes inspecting welds, welding, so on and so forth.

And end of day, the technology we’ve built allows you to comply, whether it’s a hydrogen electrolyzer, whether it’s a CCUS project and then transmission very similarly, you’re, If you think about Sunziya, how many counties that would touch you’ve got these just mega projects where if you’re the average payroll clerk and you’re supposed to know exactly what county every hour of every work day was spent for each individual employee, it’s like, yep, nevermind.

I don’t want to do this. Gotten ahead of what we think are the biggest audit risks. On the apprenticeship side, what we do is there’s a number of tools out there, but none of them really have the, Ability to work across vendors. And so since we’ve got, right now we’re at roughly 26, 000 users on DSPTCH.

We believe that represents an excess of 80 percent of the, wind and solar techs in the U S and Canada. If somebody is working on a project and they are an apprentice working alongside a journeyman or another company you can have your DOL apprentice logged hours verified by a journeyman from another company and all of that rolls up so that both the employer can see it.

The EPC can see it. And then if you have a separate apprentice sponsor, so if you have a community trade organization someone like Airstreams coming in and being your apprentice sponsor, they’re handling the DOL logs, all of that jazz in conjunction with, the employer that’s supposed to report that up to the EPC or the asset owner or so on and so forth.

And so we really just smashed all of that into one pane of glass. And now you’re getting that reporting. Every single day instead of looking at it for five weeks and rear view mirror of hey We’ve been out of compliance for the past month. So you know that I think is making things a lot easier and then you know when we were talking with the department of labor their quick audit check seems to be hey, dol apprentice logs and then You know, dump us your payroll logs and let’s find the weeks where someone was on PTO and R& R and yet they log some apprenticeship hours.

And since a lot of the existing solutions in the market aren’t your timekeeping slash payroll or whatnot system, when they start to find those little red flags that’s when you get invited to a, multi year audit. And I think that’s what everyone’s trying to avoid. We’ve made it so that After you do your time card, you’re only able to allocate those overtime eligible hours.

Your jury duty hours, PTO bereavement you can’t allocate more than what you actually worked. And then you can get that verified by anyone, whether they work at your company or another company.

Allen Hall: So the adoption rate’s very high, but there’s like another roughly 20 percent that hasn’t adopted the DSPTCH app, which is astounding, quite honestly, because every technician that I have run into over the last year is using it.

And so for those who haven’t downloaded the free app, what do they, what should they expect to see on their phone when they download the app?

Alex Jones: Yeah. So when you download the mobile app both on Google and Apple app store, you get a full map of every single, wind, solar battery site, Met tower EV charging station that we can find in US Canada and Mexico, and then the ability to dive down into those see individual towers, make some models of those towers, and then increasingly information about, site contacts emergency procedures, so on and so forth.

And all of that kind of map feature really drives a lot of the, Oh, I found this cool product. It saves me a bunch of time. And then we also do if you put in like your GWO ID, we’ll pull in all your certs and we’ve maps, call it 300, 400 or so industry standard certs that you can upload. And I’ll give you reminders when those are going to expire.

And then if you go onto the website, you can claim any one of the sites that you like and make edits, update tower numbers, this, that, the other. And right now we get, we review all the edits, but the internet has not broken us. So I’m excited about that. Techs just are passionate that, this is actually tower nine, not tower eight, and they’ll go in and fix that, but no, one’s come in and, graffitied any tower data so far.

Joel Saxum: So the last time we had you on the podcast, Alex, you were at like 4, 000 people signed up and you said a little bit ago, you’re at 26, 000 now. That’s six and a half, six and a half times ish growth. That’s huge.

Alex Jones: Yeah we really haven’t spent any money on advertising. It’s been word of mouth from the folks in the field.

And, as soon as we start seeing that, trailing off, we probably need to go, figure out what else we can do to make tech slides a little easier. But right now that organic growth is the biggest compliment in my world.

Allen Hall: So Alex, what should the ISP or operator expect in the back office?

Because there’s a lot of backs office people now using DSPTCH to, to manage their projects. What does that look like?

Alex Jones: Yeah. So you can build out a project, um, inside DSPTCH. You can invite your vendors to join as different subcontractors, and then you get real time visibility into the hours that are being logged, the apprentice logs as they come in, the ratios across the project and then the ability to export just a bunch of data that export and or directly integrate with your payroll system.

Information about, daily overtime hours overtime According to every single state level overtime calculation and all of that, just coming in a nice, neat package. So you don’t necessarily have to jump payroll providers in order to comply or all sorts of hoops that people are going through today.

And then. The ability to push in all of your payroll data. We do a bunch of different calculations that I have a lot of gray hairs to attest. Do fringe benefit calculations and hourly rate calculations so that you can then submit certified payrolls and WH 347 documents and this, that, the other.

Allen Hall: Does that then have a, from a site supervisor’s standpoint, there’s, as you can well imagine, right?

Every site supervisor, particularly these large sites, they’ve had 20, 30, 40, 50 plus. People on site every day scattered around a dozen miles or more. What does the site supervisor use DSPTCH for today because it seems so powerful?

Alex Jones: Yeah, so site supervisors will come in. When you sign up for oversight, we do a heavy handed initial onboarding.

So we go through hey, let’s check this road network. Are there any minimum maintenance roads that you don’t think fire trucks or ambulances get through? We’ll go edit those so that, we’re not navigating someone down the wrong roads. And then they’re able to go in, edit all the points all the information and data there.

They can go create new forms. Upload documents that are available for anyone who comes to that site. And then visibility into at least their folks as they’re on site. Last known locations for all those folks. You do have the, tornado alert or whatnot. It’s more than just walkie talkies.

It’s Hey, I need to make sure that I count noses or whatever you want to think of it as. Where I don’t know where Bob is or whoever might be still lingering on site.

Allen Hall: Yeah, it’s really key. And we have seen a number of really bad storms. And I know the first thing everybody’s trying to do is where is everybody at?

Is everybody okay? Getting that heads up and DSPTCH can help with that. That’s fantastic. What, so what does the future look like for DSPTCH? I you’ve grown it so quickly over a wider, basically project management area. Where’s the push now? What, where are the requests coming from and what does that look like?

Alex Jones: Real time lightning alerts, adding that into oversight, and then we think that the way some of the products today approach it is a little odd. We think of what is the duty of care of somebody when they show up to your site. If you’re an asset owner it doesn’t really matter what logo someone has on their shirt.

You want to make sure that they’re safe. And our view is if a site is subscribed to oversight, anyone who shows up to that site would get lightning alerts, just provided to them as a function of being there. And then for folks that want to sign up as a company, our thought would be no matter what site they’re at.

They’re able to get site, alerts.

Joel Saxum: I’m thinking about a nice if you’re a site supervisor, anybody that has logged into your site can get push notifications and stuff from the, that, that’s huge.

Alex Jones: Yeah. So that’s that’s on the near term horizon. And then we’re just chasing down a number of the the long term maintenance efforts.

So you know how detailed some of that stuff can get.

Allen Hall: So there are two ways to download DSPTCH, right? There’s a way to download it on your phone, and then there’s an online Desk based version, laptop based version. Can you explain how to get to both of those?

Alex Jones: Yeah. So mobile app is on both Google play and Apple store.

You can download it, DSPTCH, no vowels, DSPTCH totally free to you, just navigation profiles, certs, all that fun jazz. And then. On dsptch.app, um, you can go on the website and claim a site poke around, see some of the functionality we have around forms and jobs and timekeeping. And see what you think.

Allen Hall: It’s such an amazing piece of software and you’ve done great things with it. And just by the adoption rate alone, it tells you it’s, it is making a real mark on the wind industry and associated industry and capture, which is great. That’s fantastic. Thank you. And as things continue to grow, you got to come back and keep us informed because it’s a really cool thing.

And it has made tremendous changes in the wind industry. And that’s good. Thanks Alex for being on the program.

Alex Jones: Yeah, no, absolutely. Thanks for having me.

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How Sparacino Farms Saved Thousands with Cyanergy Solar? 

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At the heart of regional NSW, Sparacino Farm is more than just a place that grows avocado and citrus. It’s a family-run operation that was established in 1973 and is currently run by two brothers, Joe and Alf Sparacino.

The family has extensive knowledge about farming and practices ways that make farming more sustainable and productive with their hard work, resilience, and smart decisions.

So, when it came time to tackle rising energy costs, the Sparacinos wanted a solution that would reduce expenses without compromising their values.

With Cyanergy’s smart solution, Sparacino Farm took a strategic step toward energy independence. They planned to install solar panels, thus reducing their dependency on the grid.

For them, this wasn’t just about going solar. It was about making the farm more efficient, more sustainable, and more secure for the future.

With a 99.8 kW solar panel system tailored to their operations, the Sparacino family has cut costs, reduced emissions, and reinvested where it matters most, back into the land that sustains them.

So, if you are thinking of going solar for your business? You’re in the right place.

This blog dives into every detail about how Sparacino Farms Saved Thousands with Cyanergy Solar, how they made it happen, and how you can too.

The Energy Challenge: Rising Electricity Costs on the Farm

Energy expenses are becoming one of the most significant costs for businesses, commercial properties, and farming,
and in Australia, most of the residents strongly agree on that.

Agriculture is an energy-intensive industry. Over the years, as machinery has become more advanced and irrigation
systems run longer hours, the electricity
bill
has soared.

For the Sparacino family, the electricity cost had become a significant issue, too.

Like many others, they found themselves facing unsustainable energy costs that were cutting into profits and limiting
growth opportunities.

So, faced with rising power bills, the Sparacinos began looking for a long-term, cost-effective energy solution.

Why Solar? | Sparacino’s Motivation for Change!

For the Sparacinos, the decision to go solar wasn’t just about saving money; it was about securing the future of the
farm. Also, solar energy made perfect sense, especially in Australia, where abundant sunshine makes it a
reliable and renewable option.

Not only this! Investing in solar energy offered several key benefits to them, which include:

  • Predictable energy costs.

  • Increased energy independence.

  • A reduced environmental carbon
    footprint
    and lower emissions.

For instance, before going solar, the farm’s annual electricity bill hovered around AUD $48,000, which is a high cost
for a mid‑sized agricultural business.

However, after installing solar panels, the bill dropped to $12,000, bringing substantial savings for the Sparacinos.

About Sparacino Farms| Design & Implementation of a Dual System

When the owners of Sparacino farm contacted Cyanergy, our expert team conducted a thorough assessment of the farm’s
energy needs and financial goals.

We proposed a hybrid layout that consists of one large system dedicated to the commercial farm operations, and a
second system for the residence, expanded with battery storage.

Systems Specifications

So, now let’s have a look at the equipment list and the project snapshot of Sparacino Farm for a detailed concept:

For System 1: Commercial System

For System 2: Residential System Paired with Battery

  • 63 JA Solar 440W panel
  • 2 Sungrow 3 Phase 10KW inverter
  • 1 Sungrow 19.2KWh Battery

The Power of Smart Farming: Annual Savings Breakdown!

Farming smarter, not harder, and that’s exactly what the Sparacino farm owners did, and their bottom line proves it all.

After installing solar energy, their savings began to add up quickly. Moreover, besides reducing operational costs, they increased long-term sustainability, making their investment worthwhile.

Here’s a closer look at their annual savings, which gives a clear reflection of how impactful the switch to solar has been for the farm.

Financial Impact:

  • Before adding solar: AUD $48,000 per year in electricity bills
  • After installing solar: around AUD $12,000 per year
  • That’s a 75% reduction in energy bills.
  • Monthly savings average AUD $3,000
  • Projected payback period: 30 months or 2.5 years

After the payback period, every dollar saved is pure gain, drastically improving the farm’s economic resilience.

Other Benefits

  • The system generates 165.87 MWh per year in clean energy, significantly reducing reliance on grid-supplied power.
  • The residential battery adds flexibility, capturing excess solar power for nighttime use, increasing self-consumption, thus offering energy freedom.
  • The system contributes meaningfully to lowering the farm’s carbon footprint, aligning with Australia’s net-zero 2050 emission goal.

From an operations standpoint, the farm now has more predictable energy costs, less exposure to rate hikes, and insulation against volatility.

Project Challenges and Key Takeaways

Even though there were no major hurdles reported in the case materials, from analyzing their approach to solar
project experience, we shared a few insights that can be useful for you.

  1. Accurate energy calculation, modeling, and load profiling are critical
  2. If you are planning to go solar, make sure to perform a proper energy audit. Wondering why?

    Because, depending on your energy
    usage
    , if your system is oversized or undersized, you either waste capital or fall short of
    savings
    expectations.

  3. Proper battery sizing and integration
  4. Adding battery
    storage
    increases capital cost in any solar setup.

    Cyanergy’s choice of a 19.2 kWh battery shows a moderate approach that’s enough to capture excess solar in a
    short
    time.

  5. Regular monitoring and maintenance
  6. For long-term performance and to catch any issues early, real-time or periodic monitoring is essential.

    Cyanergy emphasizes real-time performance monitoring in its broader communications.

  7. Look for incentives or regulatory changes.
  8. Australian businesses can generate Small-scale Technology
    Certificates
    (STCs) or other incentive mechanisms to offset high energy costs.

    At Cyanergy, we help you to understand how these certificates and
    subsidy
    schemes factor into project viability.

  9. Scalability and future growth
  10. It’s wise to design systems with space or modularity in case demand grows or additional assets require extra
    power.

Partnering with Cyanergy: Choosing the Right Solar Experts

The Sparacino Farms case isn’t just a financial win; it’s a milestone for Australians.

It shows that even if you are living in a sector as grounded as agriculture, you can leap forward into innovation.

Their story illustrates a powerful truth that says when you pair vision with technology, backing it with a thoughtful plan, you can turn a solar dream into a profitable reality.

So what are you waiting for? 

Join us today and explore all our solar products to find your perfect deal.
Also, check our recent projects on commercial properties to have a clear idea about our services.

Your Solution Is Just a Click Away

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German Bird Study Finds 99% Avoid Turbines, SunZia Progress

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German Bird Study Finds 99% Avoid Turbines, SunZia Progress

Allen, Joel, Rosemary, and Yolanda discuss a German study finding 99.8% of birds avoid wind turbines, challenging long-standing collision risk models. They also cover Pattern Energy’s SunZia project nearing completion as the Western Hemisphere’s largest renewable project, lightning monitoring strategies for large-scale wind farms, and offshore flange alignment technology.

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You are listening to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast brought to you by build turbines.com. Learn, train, and be a part of the Clean Energy Revolution. Visit build turbines.com today. Now, here’s your host. Alan Hall, Joel Saxon, Phil Totaro, and Rosemary Barnes.

Allen Hall: Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast. I’m your host Alan Hall in the queen city of Charlotte, North Carolina, where a cold front is just blown through, but we’re not nearly as cold as Joel was up in Wisconsin, Joel, you had a bunch of snow, which is really the first big storm of the season.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, the crazy thing here was the Wind Energy Podcast. So since that storm I, we, we got up in northern Wisconsin, 18 inches of snow, and then we drove down on last Saturday after US Thanksgiving through Iowa, there’s another 18 inches of snow in Des Moines. I talked to a more than one operator that had icing and snow issues at their wind farms all through the northern Midwest of these states.

So from [00:01:00] North Dakota. All the way down to Nebraska, Northern Missouri, over into Indiana. There was a ton of turbines that were iced up and or snowed in from that storm,

Allen Hall: and Rosemary was in warm Australia with other icing knowledge or de-icing knowledge while the US has been suffering.

Rosemary Barnes: But you know, on the first day of summer here, a couple of days ago, it was minus one here overnight.

So. Um, yeah, it’s, uh, unseasonable and then tomorrow it’ll be 35.

Allen Hall: The smartest one of us all has been Yolanda, down in Austin, Texas, where it doesn’t get cold.

Yolanda Padron: Never. It’s so nice. It’s raining today and that’s about it. Traffic’s going crazy.

Joel Saxum: Rain is welcome for us, isn’t it though, Yolanda?

Yolanda Padron: It’s sweet. It doesn’t happen very often, but when it does.

Very rainy for like 24 hours.

Allen Hall: We’ve been saving a story for a couple of weeks until Rosemary is back and it has to do with birds and a year long study over [00:02:00] in Germany. And as we know, one of the most persistent arguments against wind energy has been the risk to birds and permitting and operation shutdowns have been the norm, uh, based on models and predicted collision risks.

Well. A new study comes, has just come out that says, what if the models are all wrong? And the new German study suggests that they may be wrong. The Federal Association of Offshore Wind Energy, known by its German acronym, BWO Commission Research to examine. Actual collision risk at a coastal wind farm in Northern Germany.

The study was conducted by Biocon Consult, a German research and consulting firm, and funded by eight major offshore wind operators, including Sted, Vattenfall, RWE, and E, roa, and. Rosemary using some of the newer technology. They were able to track bird movements with radar [00:03:00] and AI and stereo vision cameras to, to watch birds move through and around, uh, some of these wind farms.

And it analyzed more than 4 million bird movements and over 18 months, and they searched for collision victims and what they found was pretty striking more than 99.8% of both day migrating and night migrating birds. Avoided the turbines entirely. The study found no correlation between migration intensity and collision rates.

And BD and BWO says The combination of radar and AI based cameras represents a methodological breakthrough. Uh, that can keep turbines moving even when birds are in transit. This is pretty shocking news, honestly, Rosemary, I, I haven’t seen a lot of long-term studies about bird movements where they really had a lot of technology involved to, besides binoculars, to, to look at bird movement.

The [00:04:00] 99.8% of the migrating birds are going around The turbines. No, the turbines are there. That’s. Really new information.

Rosemary Barnes: I think. I mean, if you never heard anything about wind turbines and birds, I don’t think you’d be shocked like that. Birds mostly fly around obstacles. That’s probably an intuitive, intuitive answer.

Because we’ve had it shoved down our throat for decades now. Wind turbines are huge bird killers. It’s kind of like, it’s been repeated so often that it kind of like sinks in and becomes instinctive, even though, yeah, I do think that, um, it’s. Not that, that shocking that an animal with eyes avoids a big obstacle when it’s flying.

Um, but it is really good that somebody has actually done more than just trying to look for bird deaths. You know, they’ve actually gone out, seen what can we find, and then reported that they found mostly nothing. We already knew the real risks for birds, like hundreds or thousands, even millions of times [00:05:00] more, um, deadly to birds are things like.

Cats. Cars, buildings, even power lines kill more birds than, um, wind turbines do. In fact, like when you look at, um, the studies that look at wind, um, bird deaths from wind turbines, most of those are from people driving, like workers driving to site and hitting a bird with their cars. Um, you know, that’s attributed to wind energy.

Not a surprise maybe for people that have been following very closely, but good to see the report. Nonetheless.

Joel Saxum: I think it’s a win for like the global wind industry, to be honest with you, because like you said, there’s, there’s no, um, like real studies of this with, that’s backed up by metric data with, like I said, like the use stereo cameras.

Radar based AI detection and, and some of those things, like if you talk with some ornithologists for the big OEMs and stuff, they’ve been dabbling in those things. Like I dabbled in a project without a DTU, uh, a while back and it, but it wasn’t large scale done like this. A [00:06:00] particular win this study in the United States is there’s been this battle in the United States about what birds and what, you know, raptors or these things are controlled or should have, um, controls over them by the governments for wind installations.

The big one right now is US Fish and Wildlife Service, uh, controls raptors, right? So that’s your eagle’s, owls, hawks, those kind of things. So they’ll map out the nests and you can only go in certain areas, uh, or build in certain areas depending on when their mating seasons are. And they put mild buffers on some of them.

It’s pretty crazy. Um, but the one rule in the United States, it’s been kind of floated out there, like, we’re gonna throw this in your face, wind industry. Is the Federal Migratory Bird Act, which is also how they regulate all like the, the hunting seasons. So it’s not, it’s the reason that the migratory birds are controlled by the federal government as opposed to state governments is because they cross state lines.

And if we can [00:07:00] prove now via this study that wind farms are not affecting these migratory bird patterns or causing deaths, then it keeps the feds out of our, you know, out of the permitting process for. For birds,

Rosemary Barnes: but I’m not sure this is really gonna change that much in terms of the environmental approvals that you need to do because it’s a, you know, a general, a general thing with a general, um, statistical population doesn’t look at a specific wind farm with a specific bird and you’re still need to go.

You’re still going to have to need to look at that every time you’re planning an actual wind farm. That’s it’s fair.

Yolanda Padron: And it’s funny sometimes how people choose what they care or don’t care about. I know living in a high rise, birds will hit the window like a few a month. And obviously they will pass away from impact and the building’s not going anywhere.

Just like a turbine’s not going anywhere. And I’ve never had anybody complain to [00:08:00] me about living and condoning high rises because of how they kill the birds. And I’ve had people complain to me about wind turbines killing the birds. It’s like, well, they’re just there.

Joel Saxum: If we’re, if we’re talking about energy production, the, if everybody remembers the deep water horizon oil spill 2010 in the Gulf of Mexico.

That oil spill killed between 801.2 million birds. Just that one.

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Allen Hall: well in the high desert of Central New Mexico, near a lot of what were ghost towns that were abandoned during the Great Depression.

If there is a flurry of activity pattern, energy sunzi, a project is near completion after 20 years of planning and permitting. When. It’s supposed to be finished in 2026. It’ll be the largest renewable energy project in the Western hemisphere. More than 900 turbines spread across multiple counties. A 550 mile transmission line stretching to Arizona and then onward to California, and $11 billion bet that’s being made on American wind.

Now, Joel, it’s a kind of a combination of two OEMs there, Vestus and ge. The pace of building has been really rapid over the last six, eight months from what I can [00:10:00] tell.

Joel Saxum: Yeah. We have talked to multiple ISPs, EPC contractors. Um, of course we know some of the engineers involved in building a thing on the pattern side.

Right. But this sheer size of this thing, right, it’s, it is three and a half gigawatts, right? You’re talking 900 turbines and, and so big that one OEM really couldn’t, I mean, it’s a, it’s a risk hedge, right? But couldn’t fulfill the order. So you have massive ge tur set of turbines out there. Massive set of vestas turbines out there.

And I think one thing that’s not to be missed on this project as well is that transmission line, that high voltage transmission line that’s feeding this thing. Because that’s what we need, right? That was when we built, started building up big time in Texas, the cre, the crest lines that were built to bring all of that wind energy to the major cities in Texas.

That was a huge part of it. And we have seen over the last six months, we have seen loans canceled, uh, permits being pulled and like troubles being in hurdles, being thrown up in the face of a lot of these transmission lines that are planned. [00:11:00] These big ones in the states. And that’s what we need for energy security in the future, is these big transmission lines to go.

So we can get some of this generation to, uh, to the market, get electrons flowing into homes and into industry. But this thing here, man, um, I know we’ve been talking about Sunz, the Sunz project, uh, and all the people involved in it, in the wind industry for a, what, two, three years now? Oh, at least. Yeah.

It’s been in planning and development stage for much longer than that. But the. The, the big bet. I like it. Um, bringing a lot of, um, bringing a lot of economic opportunity to New Mexico, right? A place that, uh, if you’ve driven across New Mexico lately, it needs it in a dire way. Uh, and this is how wind energy can bring a lot of, uh, economic boom to places that, uh, hadn’t had it in the past.

Allen Hall: And this being the largest project to date, there’s a, I think a couple more than a pipeline that could be larger if they get moving on them. We see another project like this five years [00:12:00] from now, or we think we’re gonna scale down and stay in the gigawatt range just because of the scale and the things that Sunzi went through.

Joel Saxum: We have the choke chair, Sierra Madre project up in Wyoming that’s been chugging the Anschutz Corporation’s been pushing that thing for a long time. That’s, that’s along the same size of this unit. Um, and it’s the same thing. It’s, it’s kind of hinged on, I mean, there’s permitting issues, but it’s hinged on a transmission line being built.

I think that one’s like 700. 50 miles of transmission. That’s supposed to be, it’s like Wyoming all the way down to Las Vegas. That project is sitting out there. Um, it’s hard to build something of that size in, like say the wind corridor, the Texas, Oklahoma, uh, you know, all the way up to the Dakotas, just simply because of the massive amount of landowners and public agencies involved in those things.

It’s a bit easier when you get out West New Mexico. Um, I could see something like this happening possibly in Nevada. At some point in time to feed that California [00:13:00] side of things, right? But they’re doing massive solar farms out there. Same kind of concept. Um, I, I think that, um, I would love to see something like this happen, but to invest that kind of capital, you’ve got to have some kind of ITC credits going for you.

Um, otherwise, I mean, $11 billion is, that’s a lot of money

Allen Hall: since Zia will have PTC. Which is a huge driver about the economics for the entire project.

Joel Saxum: Yeah. But you’re also seeing at the same time, just because of the volatility of what’s happening in the states wind wise, uh, there was a big article out today of someone who got wind that EDF may be selling its entire

Allen Hall: US onshore renewable operation or US renewable operation.

That was Wood Mac that. Put that out. And I’m still not sure that’s a hundred percent reliable, but they have been 50% for sale for a while. Everybody, I think everybody knew that.

Joel Saxum: Yeah. I don’t know if it’s a hundred percent reliable as well. I would agree with you there. However, there’s, it’s the [00:14:00] same thought process of European company pulling outta the United States.

That’s where a lot of the renewable energy capital is, or it has been fed to a lot of that capital comes from Canada and other places too. Right. But that’s where it’s been fed through. Um, but you’re starting to see some, some. Uh, purchasing some acquisitions, a little bit of selling and buying here and there.

I don’t, I don’t think that there’s, uh, massive ones on the horizon. That’s just my opinion though.

Allen Hall: Well, won’t the massive ones be offshore if we ever get back to it?

Joel Saxum: Yeah, you would think so, right? But I, that’s gonna take a, uh, an administration change. I mean the, the, all that stuff you’d see out in California, like when we were originally seeing the leases come out and we were like, oh, great.

More offshore opportunity. Ah, but it’s California, so it’ll be kind of tough. It probably won’t be till 20 32, 20, something like that. I don’t think we’ll see possibly California offshore wind until 2040 if we’re lucky.

Allen Hall: Joel, what were the two wind turbines selected for Sunz? They were both new models, right?

One from Renova and then the other one from [00:15:00] Vestas,

Joel Saxum: so the Vestas was 242 V, 1 63, 4 0.5 megawatts machines, and the, and the GE Renova. Just so we get, make sure I get clarity on this. 674 of its three. They were 3.6, but they’re 3.61 50 fours.

Allen Hall: Okay. So both turbine types are relatively new. New to the manufacturer.

CZ has two new turbines styles on the site.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, we were told that when they were originally like getting delivered, that they didn’t have type certificates yet. That’s how new they were.

Allen Hall: So Yolanda. As Sania starts to turn on, what are things that they need to be aware of blade wise,

Yolanda Padron: besides the lightning and the dust in New Mexico?

It’s probably gonna tip them. I don’t know exactly what they’re counting with as far as leading edge protection goes.

Allen Hall: Pattern usually doesn’t, uh, have a full service agreement. Joel, do you remember if that was an FSA? I don’t think so.

Joel Saxum: I would say [00:16:00] because those are Vestas turbines on the one that, yes, Vestas really doesn’t sell a turbine without it.

Knowing internally how big patterns engineering group are, I don’t know if they can completely take on the operations of a thousand more turbine, 900 more turbines overnight. Right? So I think that there is gonna be some OE EMM involvement in these things, uh, simply to be at that scale as well. I don’t know of anywhere else with a 1 54 install a GE 1 54.

So the things that I wouldn’t looking out is the. It’s the brand new type stuff, right? Like do internal inspections when they’re on the ground. You don’t know what kind of condition these things are in, what, you know, what is the, you haven’t, nobody’s seen them. Like you’re the first ones to get to get your hands on these things.

Yolanda Padron: Yeah, I think they’re definitely gonna have to go with some sort of consulting or something externally as far as what exactly they’re dealing with. I know, Rosemary, you’ve touched on it a lot, right about. [00:17:00] How the changing the blade types and changing the turbines every x amount of years is really not conducive to, to being able to repeat the same results.

And if you’re having that for hundreds of turbines at a new site that you’ve already had so much time and money invested in creating, it’ll, it’s, it’s a big undertaking.

Rosemary Barnes: It’s really interesting because. When you have such a large wind farm be, I’m assuming one of the first wind farms may be the first to get this new turbine types, then if there’s a serial defect, it’s gonna be very obvious.

’cause with smaller wind farms, one of the problems is that, uh, the numbers are too small to definitively say whether something is, um, serial or just random bad luck. Um, but when you get. So how many wind turbines is it?

Joel Saxum: Almost a thousand total. It’s [00:18:00] 674 GE turbines and 242 Vesta turbines.

Rosemary Barnes: You can do statistics on that kind of a population and this area.

I mean, there’s lightning there, right? Like this is not an area where you’re not gonna see lightning. You know, in know the first couple of years, like there, there will be. Hundreds of turbines damaged by lightning in the, the first couple of years I would suggest, um, or, you know, maybe not. Maybe the LPS are so, so great that that doesn’t happen.

But, you know, the typical standard of LPS would mean that, you know, even if you only see, say we see 10 strikes per turbine to year and you get a 2% damage rate, that is, you know, lots of, lots of individual instances of blade damage, even if everything works as it should according to certification. And if it doesn’t, if you see a 10% damage rate or something from those strikes, then you are going to know that, you know, the, um, LPS is not performing the way that the standard says that it should.

It’s not like that’s a slam dunk for, um, [00:19:00] proving that the design was not sufficient or the certification wasn’t correct. It’s always really, really tricky. My recommendation would be to make sure that you are monitoring the lightning strikes, so you know exactly which turbine is struck and when, and then go inspect them and see the damage.

Ideally, you’re also gonna be measuring some of the characteristics of the lightning as well. But you do that from day one. Then if there is a problem, then you’re at least gonna have enough information within the, um, you know, the serial defect liability period to be able to do something about it.

Joel Saxum: Let me ask you a question on that, on just the, that lightning monitoring piece then.

So this is something that’s just, it’s of course we do this all the time, but this is boiling up in the thing. How do you, how do you monitor for lightning on 916 turbines? Probably spread, spread across. 200 square miles.

Rosemary Barnes: Well, there’s, there’s heaps of different ways that you can do it. Um, so I mean, you can do remote, remote lightning detection, which is [00:20:00] not good enough.

Then there are a range of different technologies that you can install in the, um, turbines. Um, the most simple and longest standing solution was a lightning cart, which is installed on the down conductor at the blade route. That will just tell you the amplitude of the biggest strike that that turbine has ever seen when it’s red.

I have literally never seen a case where the lightning card definitively or even provided useful evidence one way or another when there’s a, a dispute about lightning. So then you move on to solutions that, uh, um. Measuring they use, uh, Alan, you’re the electrical engineer, but they, they use the, the principle that when there’s a large current flowing, then it also induces a magnetic field.

And then you can use that to make a, a, a change and read characteristics about it. So you can tell, um, well first of all, that that turbine was definitely struck. So there are simple systems that can do that quite cheaply. The OGs ping [00:21:00] sensor, does that really cost effectively? Um, and then OG Ping. Phoenix Contact and Polytech all have a different product.

Um, all have their own products that can tell you the charge, the duration, the um, polarity or the, yeah, the, the, if it’s a positive or a negative strike, um, yeah, rise time, things like that. Um, about the strike, that’s probably, probably, you don’t. Need to go to that extent. Um, I would say just knowing definitively which turbine was struck and when is gonna give you what you need to be able to establish what kind of a problem or if you have a problem and what kind of a problem it is.

Joel Saxum: I think that like an important one there too is like, uh, so I know that Vest is in a lot of their FSA contracts will say if it’s struck by lightning, we have 48 or 72 hours to inspect it. Right. And when you’re talking something of this scale, 916 turbines out there, like if there’s a lightning storm, like [00:22:00]we’ve been watching, we watch a lot of lightning storms come through, uh, certain wind farms that we’re working with.

And you see 20, 30, 40 turbines get struck. Now if a storm comes through the middle of this wind farm, you’re gonna have 200 turbines get struck. How in the hell do you go out without ha Like you need to have something that can narrow you down to exactly the turbines that we’re struck. That being said that next morning or over the next two days, you need to deploy like 10 people in trucks to drive around and go look at these things.

That’s gonna be a massive problem. Pattern has about 3000 turbines, I think in their portfolio, and they, so they’re, they’re familiar with lightning issues and how things happen, but something at this scale when it’s just like so peaky, right? ’cause a storm isn’t through every night, so you don’t have that need to go and inspect things.

But when you do. That is gonna be a massive undertaking. ’cause you gotta get people out there to literally like, at a minimum, binocular these things to make sure there isn’t any damage on ’em. And it’s gonna be, there’s gonna be storms where hundreds of turbines get hit.

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, well [00:23:00] those three companies, those three products that I mentioned are aiming to get around that.

I mean, it will depend how contracts are worded. I know in Australia it is not the norm to check for lightning ever. So if the contract says someone has to, you know, use human eyeballs to verify lightning damage or not, then. That’s, you know, that’s what has to happen. But all of these technologies do aim to offer a way that you wouldn’t have to inspect every single one.

So Polytech is using, um, different lightning characteristics and then they’ve got an algorithm which they say will learn, um, which types of strike cause damage that could. Potentially progress to catastrophic damage. Um, and then the other one that is interesting is the eLog Ping solution because they’ve also got the, um, damage monitoring.

That’s their original aim of their product, was that if there’s a damage on the blade tip, say it’s been punctured by lightning, it, it actually makes a noise. Like it makes a whistle and they listen out for that. So if you combine the [00:24:00]lightning detection and the, um, like blade. Tip structure monitoring from Ping, then you can get a good idea of which ones are damaged.

Like if it’s damaged badly enough to fail, it is almost certainly gonna be making a noise that the ping can, um, detect

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And there’s a, a really interesting article about [00:25:00] offshore, and there’s a number of articles about offshore this quarter. Well, two Dutch companies developed a solution to really one of the industry’s most persistent headaches. And when it’s flange alignment. So when you’re trying to connect the transition piece to the mono paddle out in the water, it’s not really easy to do.

Uh. So PES interviewed, uh, Ontech and Dutch heavy lift consultants to explain their flange alignment system known as FAS. And it started when a turbine installation needed a safer, faster way to try to align these two pieces. So if you can think about the amount of steel we’re talking about, these are really massive pieces you’re trying to line and put bolts in, not easy to do out in the ocean.

Uh, so what this new device can do is it can align the flanges in a couple of minutes. It can reshape deformed, flanges and Joel, as you know, everything offshore can get dinged warped. That’s pretty easy to do, so you don’t want that when you have a, a heavily loaded, bolted joint, like those flanges to be [00:26:00] perfectly, uh, smooth to one another and, and tight.

So these two companies, Amek and Dutch heavy Lifting consultants have come up with some pretty cool technology to speed up. Installations of wind turbines.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, I would say anybody who’s interested in wind, offshore wind, any of that sort, and you have a little bit of an engineering mind or an engineering, uh, quirk in your mind.

As, as I think we said earlier in the episode today, engineering nerds. Um, I would encourage you to go and look at some heavy lift operations offshore, whether it is offshore wind, offshore oil and gas, offshore construction of any time or any type even pipe lay operations and stuff. Just to take, just to take in the, the sheer scale.

At how, uh, at how these things are being done and how difficult that would be to manage. Think about the just tons and tons of steel and, uh, trying to put these pieces together and these different things. And then remember that these vessels are thousands of dollars, sometimes a minute for how specialized they are.

Right? So a lot of money gets put into [00:27:00] how the, like when we’re putting monopiles in that these transit transition pieces get put on. A lot of money has been spent on. The ver like technology to get, make sure they’re super, super tight tolerances on the verticality of those when they’re driving the actual piles in.

And then you’re doing that offshore in a nasty environment, sometimes from a jack up vessel, sometimes not from a jack vessel, sometimes from a mor or like a, you know, a pseudo mor vessel on, uh. Dynamic positioning systems, and then you’re swinging these big things with cranes and all this stuff, like, it’s just a crazy amount of engineering eng engineering and operational knowledge that goes into making this stuff happen.

And if you make one little mistake, all of a sudden that piece can be useless. Right? Like I’ve been a part of, of heavy offshore lifting for oil and gas where they’ve. It’s built a piece on shore, got it out to the vessel, went to go put it off sub sea in 2000 meters of water, lowered it all the way down there and it didn’t fit like you just burned [00:28:00] hundreds and hundreds and thousands of millions of dollars in time.

So this kind of technology that Anima Tech is putting out in Dutch Heavy Lift consultants. This is the key to making sure that these offshore operations go well. So kudos to these guys for solve for seeing a problem and solving a problem with a real solution. Uh, instead of just kind of like dreaming things up, making something happen here.

I’d like to see it.

Allen Hall: Check out that article and many more in this quarter’s. PES Wind Magazine downloaded free copy@pswind.com. Well, Yolanda, as we know, everybody’s out with Sky Specs, uh, doing blade inspections, and so many turbines have issues this year. A lot of hail damage, a lot of lightning damage and some serial defects from what I can tell.

Uh, we’re, we’re getting to that crazy season where we’re trying to get ready for next year and prioritize. This is the time to call C-I-C-N-D-T and actually take a deep hard look at some of this damage, particularly at the blade root area. We’ve seen a lot more of that where, [00:29:00] uh, there’s been failures of some blades at the root where the bolt connection is.

So you’re gonna have to get some NDT done. Boy, oh boy, you better get C-I-C-N-D-T booked up or get them on the phone because they’re getting really busy.

Yolanda Padron: Yeah, you definitely need to schedule something. Make sure that you know at least where you stand, right? Be because imagine going into try to fix something and just have a hammer and then close your eyes and then see what you can fix.

That way, like sometimes it feels like when you’re in operations, if you don’t have the proper. The proper inspections done, which sometimes there’s, there’s not enough budget for, or appetite or knowledge, um, in some of these projects to have early on. You come in and just, you, you see the end result of failure modes and you might see something that’s really, really expensive to fix now.

Or you might think of, oh, this problem happened at X, Y, Z. [00:30:00] Site, so it’ll probably happen here. That’s not necessarily the case. So getting someone like NDT to be able to come in and actually tell you this is what’s going on in your site, and these are the potential failure modes that you’re going to see based on what you’re getting and this is what will probably happen, or this is what is happening over time in your site, is a lot more indicative to be able to solve those problems faster and way.

More way, in a way less expensive manner than if you were to go in and just try to fix everything reactively. You know, if you have half a bond line missing. Then later you, your blade breaks. It’s like, well, I mean, you, you could, you could have seen it, you could have prevented it. You could have saved that blade and saved yourself millions and millions of dollars and, and so much more money in downtime.

Joel Saxum: Yeah. The first time I ran into Jeremy Hess and the C-A-C-N-D team was actually on an insurance project where it was Yolanda, like you said, like [00:31:00] they let it go. The, the operator and the OEM let it go way too long, and all of a sudden they had a, like wind farm wide shutdown costing them millions in production.

Uh, to find these, these issues that, uh, could have been found in a different manner when you talk to the team over there. Um, why we like to recommend them from the podcast is Jeremy has an answer for everything. He’s been around the world. He’s worked in multiple industries, aerospace, race, cars, sailboats, you name it.

Um, he’s been a client to almost everybody, you know, in the wind industry, all the OEMs, right? So he knows the, the issues. He has the right tool sets. To dive into them. You, you may not know, not, you don’t need to be an NDT expert to be able to have a conversation because he will coach you through, okay, here you have this problem.

Alright, this is how we would look at it. This is how we would solve it. Here’s how you would monitor for it, and then this is how you would, you know, possibly fix it. Or this is what the, the solution looks like. Um, because I think that’s one of the [00:32:00] hurdles to the industry with NDT projects is people just don’t.

Know what’s available, what’s out there, what they can see, what they, you know, the issues that they might be able to uncover, like you said, Yolanda. So, um, we encourage, um, anybody that says, Hey, do you know anybody in NDT? Yeah, it’s Jeremy Hanks and the C-I-C-N-D-T team. Call ’em up. They’ve got the solutions, they’ll help you out.

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The author of the meme might want to take a peek.  It’s a good read.

2) What actually works on a societal basis, and what no one can regulate, is public acceptance or rejection.  You’re free to wear extreme forms of the hijab, or claim that the Holocaust was a hoax, or believe that the Earth is flat, or tell your neighbors that the 2020 presidential election was rigged, that you, with no training in science, think climate change is a hoax, or that vaccines are often lethal.

However, you’ll pay a stiff price in terms of acceptance into refined society.  Want to get a high-level job or join a country club dressed like that?  Do you think that spouting off the gibberish of uneducated MAGA slobs in the workplace will advance your career?

Good luck.

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