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FabricAir’s Innovative System Proactively Prevents Costly Turbine Icing

Allen Hall and Joel Saxum had a great conversation with Daniela Roeper of FabricAir, formerly Borealis Wind, regarding their innovative wind turbine blade heating system to mitigate icing. They discuss the system’s impressive new capabilities, including advanced controls, analytics, and an efficient service model, now enabled further through the strategic Borealis acquisition, to provide exceptional value for wind farm owners. Roeper shares insightful perspectives on overlooked icing costs and explains how this optimized technology can boost production at icy sites. With FabricAir’s substantial resources supporting ongoing enhancements, the future shines bright for effectively tackling troublesome turbine icing.

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Allen Hall: We’re at CanREA the Electricity Transformation Canada 2023 event, and because it’s so icy, we decided to grab Daniela Roeper, who was formerly with Borealis Wind, who is now VP at FabricAir. So we have a lot to discuss, icing wise, on turbine blades. It must be a huge discussion point this week because it is terrible outside.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, there’s a half inch of ice on every bar.

Allen Hall: Oh yeah, everywhere.

Daniela Roeper: Couldn’t ask for better marketing.

Allen Hall: No, this is great.

Joel Saxum: And the fantastic marketing that you guys did with the ice scrappers at the booth.

Allen Hall: Oh, yep. Spot. Perfect timing. Spot on. Yeah. I gotta grab one of those before we leave. Yeah.

Daniela Roeper: Free ice protection systems for your vehicle.

Joel Saxum: The base model.

Allen Hall: Yeah. So lot’s happened since we have spoken to Borealis and you, which just realized ’cause you reminded me.

We, we talked in Copenhagen, which was earlier this year. But a lot has happened since then, so maybe you could give us a timeline of what you’ve been through over the last couple of months.

Daniela Roeper: So we spoke at the end of April, and in June we closed a deal with Fabricare to become part of the FabricAir group.

FabricAir is an HVAC company, they’ve been around for 50 years. They produce fabric ducting, which is used in many different industries. And they’ve been our fabric duct supplier since we started the company. And there was a very good strategic fit. So as of June 1st, we are officially part of the FabricAir group, and Borealis Wind is the product line in FabricAir.

Otherwise, the system itself hasn’t changed, so that stays the same, and we have some exciting developments with our business model that I want to share, but I don’t know if I should do that yet.

Allen Hall: Let’s work our way up to that. FabricAir, if you don’t realize makes all the ducting for all the air conditioning and heating systems in a lot of factories and buildings around the world.

In terms of your product, though, it’s like a toughened, almost like a fire hose consistency of material. Is it Kevlar? What is this magic fabric that you stick in blades?

Daniela Roeper: We are using Cordura fabric.

Allen Hall: Okay.

Daniela Roeper: Which is a fabric you may have heard of. It’s advertised on work pants, backpacks, military gear.

Allen Hall: Yeah, it’s really tough stuff. Exactly. Okay. That makes a lot of sense then. Alright, so FabricAir is based in Denmark, right? But they have a lot of facilities all over the world. They’re a big company.

Daniela Roeper: Yes. They have offices worldwide, I believe in 16 countries.

Joel Saxum: Oh, wow. I didn’t know that.

Daniela Roeper: Yeah, and they have a manufacturing office in Lithuania, and they’ve also just opened one in Mexico.

Joel Saxum: Okay. So will you guys get to take advantage of that in the future?

Daniela Roeper: Our plan is to keep the manufacturing in Canada as we have it now. As we grow, there may be an opportunity where it makes sense to outsource some of that.

But we’ll look at that down the road.

Joel Saxum: Will you also keep your basically the Borealis Wind team has stayed the same.

Daniela Roeper: Yep.

Joel Saxum: And you guys are all still in Canada. Nobody’s being forced to move to Denmark or anything like that.

Daniela Roeper: No, we’re all still in Canada, all still in our office. The team’s the same, product’s the same.

So in a lot of ways, Borealis Wind still is. We’re still offering the same service and product that we were before, but now with significantly more resources behind it.

Allen Hall: That move to FabricAir and being a larger organization then opens up your envelope a little bit in terms of the type of icing events you could possibly cover, right?

Because part of the issue with the system originally was it’s a little expensive. And that drove you to be in a limit icing condition when you spoke at Winter Wind in Sweden.

Was that was this year also, right?

Daniela Roeper: That was, yeah.

Allen Hall: Oh my God. Okay. Okay. So I’ve been a lot of places this year.

So in Winter Wind the presentation was really interesting and you had a lot of advocates for the system there. I was sitting next to a person who had used that system and couldn’t believe how great it was. But it was a really severe icing. The pictures I saw was like massive amounts of ice on turbines.

The sweet point is to broaden that market space, right? To try to get down to the Texas freeze situation. Does FabricAir now allow you to do, expand that envelope a little bit.

Daniela Roeper: Yes, and I have so much to say, so give me a minute because I’m excited about this. The misconception has always been that you need really severe icing to make a blade heating system or ice protection system make sense.

And our goal has been to break that misconception that you can have a blade heating system at a moderately iced site. And that has been our target, so we’ve been working in the class 3, 4, 5 icing severities. Whereas previously it’s like class five sites that were considered to need blade heating systems, right?

And our goal now with this is to access that class two market, which is by far the largest market for icing.

Allen Hall: Sure. Yeah, and the reason you can do that is what drives that opening of to get down to class two.

Daniela Roeper: So with these additional resources that we have access to and with FabricAir’s 50 years of history in HVAC.

We have a little bit more buying power than we did before and our focus is on reducing the cost of the system through scale and through standardization of components. And also we are pivoting to a system as a service model.

Allen Hall: Okay.

Daniela Roeper: So our customers will pay an annual fee for the system and we will be responsible for the installation of the equipment, maintenance, monitoring, everything.

Joel Saxum: That’s fantastic.

Daniela Roeper: And they will have a, a positive ROI every year. So they would have icing recoveries that would be greater than the price they’re paying for the system. And we guarantee the availability of the system as well. So we guarantee the system will be 95 percent available during the winter.

Joel Saxum: Wow. Huge. In any industry, in wind industry specifically, we see this all the time. It’s hard for asset owners, or asset managers to want to adopt a new technology. Because they’re taking a risk, right? We talk about it all the time with the StrikeTape product. We’re constantly doing trials.

We’re always having to prove the products. Nobody really wants to take a risk on something new. And while your product makes absolute sense pragmatically, it is a capital risk for all these people. And what you guys are doing with that commercial model is taking the risk on basically yourself and making it simple for them to adopt it.

And I, I think that’s a novel approach. It’s a fantastic idea.

Daniela Roeper: Well said.. Thank you. You should be pitching this.

Joel Saxum: I can. For sale all the time.

Allen Hall: You’re a SaaS model now, so if anybody is familiar with all the Silicon Valley talk, right? A SaaS is a very popular model to fund widely accepted concepts, right?

You pick a SaaS model not because you’re going to sell ten of these things. You pick a SaaS model because you’re going to sell thousands of these. And that changes sort of the market dynamics on icing. Because the noise before, the complaint before, was this, Oh, it’s so expensive, I don’t want to do it, right?

That’s the ERCOT.

Joel Saxum: It’s the capital of the upfront.

Allen Hall: It’s upfront capital, right? The upfront capital would stop people from even discussing it. But you’ve taken that away, opening the door to many more organizations and operators to take advantage of this.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, and many more budget sectors within those organizations. OPEX money instead of just CapEx money.

Allen Hall: If you’re opening up OPEX money, I’m imagining how this goes. In the mechanical side of wind turbines, gearbox replacement, blade repair, all those, everybody pays up front. Everything’s up front. Or maybe there’s a little bit of leeway. To come in with a mechanical system, with a SAS model, is unique in wind, as far as I know.

Not even the drone operators offer anything really like that too much. It tends to be, pay for service as it’s delivered. You’re setting the industry on its head a little bit. How is that going? This is probably, is this the first big conference you’ve been at since that announcement?

Daniela Roeper: It’s the first big conference, yes.

Allen Hall: So what’s the feedback so far?

Daniela Roeper: It has been good. Okay. And I have seriously questioned our customers because I think the perspective can be, oh, they’re just trying to make more money off of this by making it a SaaS model. And that is not the intention with this. We want to take the risk away from our customers. So we want to take full responsibility for the system.

We want to guarantee that it’s going to be functional all winter. We want to make sure they’re making their returns. We’re going to take the risk of the ROI on the hardware on us. Yeah.

Allen Hall: So what do you have to lose? I guess I’m working on it on the operator’s side. You come in, you install the system.

I don’t write you a check until it’s installed, I assume. And then I send you a check for the year.

Daniela Roeper: Exactly. So we’re basically trying to put money in people’s pockets.

Allen Hall: And they don’t, yeah, if you’re trying to give me money, I think the rule is to take it.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, the business case is easy to quantify, right?

You go to operator XYZ and say, How much downtime did you have last year? Your PPA price is this is how much you lost. We’re going to give it to you for this, and we’re going to maintain it ourselves. Okay, it seems pretty simple to me. The business case doesn’t take that long, I can scratch it on a napkin.

Daniela Roeper: Yeah, that’s the goal, that’s the goal. Okay. But I’m, this is our first big conference presenting this concept. So, we have good feedback so far.

Allen Hall: Yeah. It’s new to industry, I think, at least in North America for the most part, which I think drives a really good discussion because your entry into that space could have been better timing in terms of ERCOT, right?

So Texas is trying to propose regulations that keep wind turbines up and running, right? That’s one of, and so there’s been a lot of pushback in the industry to say, the operators to say everything’s so expensive. You’re just taking that argument away from and say, no, it’s not. It’s not expensive. In fact, it’s going to save you money over the long run, or even in the short run.

You’re going to be making money off the system every year.

Joel Saxum: What it sounds like to me, and this is an overreaching statement maybe, but, the FacAirare acquisition of Borealis Wind. You guys right now in building this new commercial model, having these resources behind you, it’s like you’re pulling the bow back right now.

January 1st when winter hits, you guys are ready to let it fly. And grow and grow. That’s fantastic for you.

Allen Hall: Let’s get down to the nitty gritty. If I’m interested in installing this system, What is the lead time? Now with Fabric Air, I assume there’s obviously a lot more power there and faster churn.

A month to be installed? What’s the flow look like? I call you and say, Daniela sold me. Let’s go.

Daniela Roeper: It depends on the quantity, too. And it depends on the time of year. I would say it’s about a three month lead time. Okay. And we typically don’t install in January, February. But that could be different if it’s in Texas.

It may not be an issue to install in January, February.

Joel Saxum: That’s what you want.

Allen Hall: So if it’s a three month lead time, that’s above industry standards right now. Lead times are six months to a year for a lot of components. If you can get them, to turn on an anti ice system in a couple weeks really is amazing.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, so if you’re listening to this and you want to have an anti ice system, you need to call now.

Daniela Roeper: You need to call now if you want it before Christmas. Yeah.

Allen Hall: So is there anything new on the product side in terms of development or what’s the next generation look like? Maybe we should ask that question. Is the next generation coming? Because it must be coming.

Daniela Roeper: It is coming and it is lighter than ever before. It has fewer metal components. It is We’ve optimized the heating controls and we’ve upgraded our heater to maximize the power output and I don’t want to give too much away, so I’m trying to give you information without being too vague.

But and we’ve, over the past few months, we’ve been building a really comprehensive dashboard of the system that the site managers can have access to as well, but right now we’re using it to monitor the systems. Okay. And the customers can have access to it as well if they’re interested in it.

Allen Hall: So there’s a cloud component to this?

Daniela Roeper: Yes.

Allen Hall: So what does that cloud component look like? If I’m an operator and I do want to see this, what am I looking at?

Daniela Roeper: So At the moment, our customers have access to a user interface that shows them all of the data from their site. What we’ve been building is we’ve been collecting all the data, putting it on the cloud and putting it into a data visualization platform.

Sure. That allows you to go through the data on a much more detailed scale than you’re able to in our user interface right now. So if you want to look on a, like on a top level. What’s the system performance overall? You can see that or you can drill down and you can see down to each sensor output What’s happening with the system?

Allen Hall: Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay, so it’s even like a debug feature if you’re an operators to see how it’s going on Okay, so that’s very useful for you to if there is an issue You know immediately where to go into it.

Daniela Roeper: And for our search. Yeah for our service offerings. Our goal so really what we want to do is kill this idea that blade heating systems are only for severely ice sites, right?

Yeah, and that’s why the functionality, like the availability of the system the efficiency of the system is so important and that’s why that data analytics and that monitoring of the systems is also so important.

Allen Hall: Wow. Okay. So at the end of the day this cloud based system, it’s, is it going to give you a sense of how much power you’re producing versus what you would have produced?

Daniela Roeper: Yes.

Allen Hall: Was that one of the options that’s going to be on this thing, I hope?

Daniela Roeper: Yes, that will be. And that is something we’re monitoring now. Right now it’s We work with IceTek and they do the analysis of the performance as a third, separate third party. And we provide that to our customers, but we do want to build that into the cloud version as well. So you can see that live and see the performance.

Joel Saxum: Oh, sure. Yeah, it’s a good sales tool.

Allen Hall: Oh, yeah. It’s a fantastic sales tool. So let’s talk IceTek for a minute because we’re going to have IceTek on the podcast, hopefully. IceTek is your ice detector manufacturer system. It’s unique because it’s specialized to you a little bit.

Because you’re using advanced techniques to detect when ice is about to occur, not after the fact, like when ice is occurring, that’s easy, right? It’s the pre buildup to ice, it’s likely to occur, that gives you the advantage in terms of de icing the blade, preventing icing but also lowering the amount of power the system uses.

Do you want to just get into that a little bit? Because it’s a complicated thing, when it was first described to me, I was like, okay, I get it. I think the main point is you’re actually using less power to heat the blade.

Joel Saxum: Yes. From my side on the operational thing with blades, I’m looking at it like this.

If you know exactly when to turn that on so you don’t actually build up ice, because built up ice is fatigue. It’s fatigue. Ice throws are dangerous for people around, but they’re really dangerous for your blades. I’ve seen a lot of insurance cases where you throw off a hunk of ice the size of a truck hood into the air, and then the next blade comes around and hits it.

So you’re, with IceTek, working in cohesion with your unit. You won’t have ice throes anymore because it’ll be turning on right at the right time.

Daniela Roeper: Okay, sorry, now I just have to talk about that because you got me on a topic. There are so many costs associated with icing that people don’t realize. And not only those safety incidents techs refusing to work, downtime because your techs aren’t able to access the turbine, damage, all that stuff, those are costs that people don’t look at.

But as we’ve seen with IceTek, and they can talk about this more than I can, They’re seeing that customers are underestimating their icing performance loss by 40 to 50 percent. Because icing is very hard to identify. If you’re just looking at status codes, you’re just looking at the times when the turbine knows it has ice on it.

But there are a lot of other status codes that are caused by icing, but they don’t come up as an icing status code, like a pitch error or tower vibration or something like that.

Allen Hall: Okay. Which is wear and tear.

Daniela Roeper: You should ask them about that and listeners should tune in for that podcast as well to hear from them.

So I’ll tell you about their sensor. I talked about it last time and I got a little bit of flack from them that I, it wasn’t the best scientific description. So you should ask them for that. But they’re measuring liquid water content, which is directly correlated to ice buildup on blades. And so as soon as they’re measuring conditions, liquid water content that would form ice on the blade that tells us to trigger our system.

So at that point, the blades are still free of ice. We get a head start. We can heat up the blades. Prevent as much of that ice formation as possible. And that also tells us when we are outside of what we call our operational envelope. So if it’s extremely severe, say it’s minus 20 degrees Celsius, 15 meter per second wind, we would need much more power to keep the blades heated than we, than financially makes sense to do.

So in that case, it’s better for us to wait until conditions warm up a little bit, turn the heating system on two hours or four hours later, and then remove the ice. So that allows us to optimize how much consumption we have. On another note, I’ve also heard the misconception that blade heating systems use so much energy, they don’t make sense.

It’s also not true. So we use about 4% of the energy that’s recovered by our system. We use 4% of that to keep the blades.

Joel Saxum: That’s a pretty good ROI too. Yeah.

Allen Hall: And the reason you were able to do that is how?

Daniela Roeper: So our system is only so say for a two or three megawatt turbine. We’re drawing a hundred kilowatts.

Okay, so if the turbine can operate and in the winter capacity factors are typically higher. But say that if the turbine can operate at 60 percent of its 3 megawatt capacity, we’re using a very small percentage of that to heat the blades or keep the blades heated.

Allen Hall: Okay So in the way that you’re heating the blade just to walk through this real quickly is you have a basically a fabric tube that runs up along the leading edge and it dumps hot air out at the top. Yes, and then that cycles back around the fabric tube back down to your heater. So you’re constantly keeping warm air warm, right? You’re not constantly warming up cold air. You’re you’ve got this sort of nice warm space that you built.

Joel Saxum: So here’s a question for you.

Has anybody ever called you and said, Hey, Daniela, we have the blade heating system. Can we warm the blade up and do an internal blade repair in the winter?

Daniela Roeper: Actually they have, and I. Our teams, when they go for winter maintenance, they do warm the blade up for themselves a bit before they continue to.

Joel Saxum: They’re on the system like, hey, we’re gonna be there in 15 minutes, warm it up.

Yeah. I get it, I would too. It’s a side perk. Yeah, absolutely. A warm, nice place to work. I like it.

Daniela Roeper: Hey, it’s better than trying to do something with your hands at minus 20.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, it frees up, yeah.

Daniela Roeper: No way.

Joel Saxum: Absolutely. It’s qualified under an HSE consideration.

We had to turn it on.

Allen Hall: So the, so now the… you have an improved system. You’re making advancements in the cloud side and the data response side. It sounds like obviously you’re taking advantage of the reliability of the system now to use it as a SaaS product. That’s got to be a huge advantage.

And one of the, I know one of the questions that I hear about is these ice phobic coatings. So ice phobic coatings tend to build up ice and then sling it. That seems to be the approach. It’s slippery. Will they work in conjunction with your heating system? If somebody’s already put an ice phobic coating on, which there’s been a lot of trials of a lot of different systems.

So there is some of that out there. Would they have to remove that system at all? Or would it even matter anymore? You could still operate with the coating that’s on there.

Daniela Roeper: You can still operate with the coating that’s on there. That’s no problem. Some of our customers have tried them together. That’s not my data to share.

Okay.

So the system works well whether there’s a coating on it or there’s no coating on it. So you don’t need, you don’t need an is phobic coating for the heating system to work well.

Allen Hall: Okay. ‘Cause I’ve heard a lot of discussion like if you put an icephobic coating on, it just makes it work better.

But you’re, what, your approach you’re using is a little bit different than the ice phobic coatings work. So the icephobic coating would even really matter anymore. I think they’re getting ahead of you’re way ahead of what the ice phobic coatings are doing. Proactive versus, yeah. It’s more proactive thing.

And I think. The discussion we’re hearing back from industry is there’s a lifetime to that. So it lasts a couple of years. You have to reapply it with an internal heating system that’s especially the SAS model, it’s one and done. It’s getting maintained anyways. They’re gonna come down and maintain it, so we don’t have to worry about it.

Daniela Roeper: On that topic of lifetime, I want to add a new perspec, a new thing to consider. Okay. With the SAS model, if, And unfortunately, this is the case, but it, blades are almost being considered consumables at this point because there have been so many blade failures. But one of the beauties of our system and the SAS model is that if you do have an issue with the blade, we can move the heating system to a different blade and it doesn’t add any extra cost.

Or if you decide to repower or upgrade, we can bring that heating system to the next blade. We can add a duct extension if the blade is a few meters longer, we’ll add a duct extension. And you’re still able to use that same heating system. And our goal with the software’s, or sorry, the system as a service model is that we want to reduce the waste created by our system.

So we want to repurpose as much as we can and refurbish as many components as we can to reduce the waste or what ends up in a landfill from our system. And that ties into that as well so that we can, we would reuse the same system for a larger blade and just add a duct extension.

Joel Saxum: And you’re keeping costs down for your client that way as well.

Daniela Roeper: Yeah, and we’re keeping costs down.

Allen Hall: Oh yeah, sure. That’s awesome. So Is repowering one of those places where your system gets installed? Is that the easy time? The blades are on the ground, they’re going to put new blades up.

Daniela Roeper: That is a great time. That’s a, it’s a great time. If you’re repowering, that’s something I would think about.

And it is going to be a factor in the Quebec market in Canada. It is planned to be a requirement for repowers that they will have to add a blade heating system because of the impact of icing in Quebec.

Allen Hall: When did that happen?

Daniela Roeper: That has just been in discussion in the last, I would say, year and a half.

Allen Hall: Is that just Quebec province, or all the provinces?

Daniela Roeper: That’s just the province of Quebec at the moment. And it’s not formalized yet, so none of the sites are at the point in Quebec yet where they will be repowered, but it has been, so that was a requirement in the RFP they did for new sites this past year and it is planned to be a requirement for the repowers, but those are still, I would say we’re still five, seven years away from that.

Joel Saxum: Do you think FabricAir was reading that bit of news when they purchased…

Allen Hall: When they called you? Yeah.

Daniela Roeper: Perhaps. I

Joel Saxum: Tell you what, we talked with you guys the last few shows we’ve been at. Your booth now looks fantastic. Completely upgraded. Thank you. The company has matured fantastically.

Congratulations on the FabricAir acquisition. I think it’s going to be big things on the horizon.

Daniela Roeper: Thank you. Thank you. And for me, I want to say, I’m really grateful for FabricAir that their ambition and their support for this product is incredible. So I’m really excited for what we’re going to be able to do together.

Allen Hall: So if someone wants to reach out and get a hold of you and to put this new Borealis system by FabricAir in, how do they do that?

Daniela Roeper: Check out our website. It’s easy to contact us through there.

Allen Hall: Is it borealiswind.com?

Daniela Roeper: BorealisWin. com or fabricair.com you can find us on either one.

Allen Hall: Nice, okay.

Daniela Roeper: You can find us through either email address,

Allen Hall: LinkedIn?

Daniela Roeper: And on LinkedIn. Okay. And we have some really cool icing videos on LinkedIn, if someone wants to check those out.

Allen Hall: I’ve seen some of that. They’re very good.

Daniela Roeper: Yeah, good. And send us an email and we will set you up.

Allen Hall: All right. Daniela, great to have you back on the podcast and we’ll run into you again.

But this is a sweet time for you. It’s winter time. Go get some

sales. This is awesome.

Daniela Roeper: And thank you for having me again. It’s a pleasure.

Joel Saxum: Absolutely.

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Rosemary, you’ve been to a number of training courses over the last couple of weeks. The first off was GWO. What was your experience at GWO training?

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all the other people except for one were technicians who, you know, have been working for a while.

So they’re also doing the full course, not the refresher. So they get a little bit more practice than I do. But, um, it’s just not often enough. Y-you know, like every time I go it’s like I, I really feel the need to have the refresher, um, because I’m just not fully on top of it. ‘Cause it’s [00:02:00] not just that you need to know what to do. You need to be able to… Like if you need to use it, you’re gonna be freaking out, you know?

This is the worst thing that’s probably ever happened in your life, and now you’ve gotta remember all your training. It’s like you want it to be actually second nature to some extent. So yeah, first day is manual handling, which is v- you know, very– That one’s very easy and I would be happy to never do that again.

Like I will always remember that. Um, then you got fire, um, fire safety awareness, and that one’s just fun ’cause you just get to, um, light fires and put stuff out then first aid, which I definitely always want a refresher on.

The CPR dummies at this place, they had lights, um, and it lit up green if you were doing it right, and I haven’t used a dummy that was so advanced before, so that was quite good. I realized I wasn’t pressing hard enough. and then yeah, last two days is working at heights training, which is the most intense ’cause you got your harness on all day and, um, you know, climbing up and down and rescuing people.

this was Rite Training in Goulburn, and, um, the [00:03:00] instructor’s name was Claire. highly recommend doing that one.

Allen Hall 2025: Is that a general requirement in Australia that you have GWO before you can climb?

Rosemary1: Like, yeah, they will sometimes, um, let you climb if you are babysat by people. I would not recommend other engineers, like if you’ve never climbed a wind turbine before, like I would really not recommend that you just go up with a team and haven’t done the training because you do need to be able to use a ladder safely and, um, you can, y- you can easily, like even inside the nacelle, you could easily hurt yourself really badly if you’re used to working in an office, uh, you’re upping your danger level by, you know, like many, many, many times by going up a turbine and it’s just something that you gotta take seriously.

Allen Hall 2025: How busy are the courses in Australia? Are a lot of technicians trying to get in and get trained?

Rosemary1: No, it’s people that have a job that are getting trained. But there were heaps of techs in this course. There were maybe eight or so, which is also part of the reason why it took a really long time.

Allen Hall 2025: So [00:04:00] this week, as we record, y- you’re presenting a blade repair course for engineers and technicians. a completely new area that you’re, uh, going into in terms of offering advice and expertise that it’s really hard to find on the planet. It’s probably a, a, a busy or, or requested course, I would imagine, in Australia, where you just don’t have access to a lot of the manufacturers.

Rosemary2: it’s a, it’s a course for just for engineers or technical type people, um, but including hands-on stuff. So the way that I I forced this to come into being was just the last five years. I, um, you know, I started working a lot on wind turbine blade repairs and, um, people would ask me, you know, “Have these repairs been done right?”

And the thing is that the only repairs that I had anything to do with when I was working at LM were weirdo ones, right? [00:05:00] Where the normal, like a technician couldn’t, couldn’t handle it. It was outside of, um, yeah, their, their standard, uh, kind of repairs that they can do for whatever reason. and now in the work that we do at Part Load, it’s primarily normal repairs, and I just didn’t know exactly what technicians know. You know, how do they, how do they know whether they can repair it or not? What do they know before they go up there?

When are they calling the engineer? Um, all that sort of stuff, like the normal stuff. eventually it became less about me learning, ’cause like I said, I kind of picked up most of it. Um, but now I’ve got staff that I’m training up to be, uh, you know, composites engineers and to work with these kinds of issues. There’s a lot of repetitive tasks involved in what we do when we, like, assess the condition of a wind farm.

A lot of what we do is look main- manually looking through photos and thing- if things are classified right or not. I [00:06:00] Found this guy from Direct Wind Services, Jurij Eska. He’s a blade engineer. He’s worked in Europe and then come back to Australia, so a little bit like me. And, um, I just worked with him on a few projects and I’m like, “Oh, okay. Well, this guy, uh, he really gets it.” And I asked him, “How do you, how do you train your technicians?

What course do they do? Maybe I can do that course.” And he said, “Oh, we train them ourselves.” And so then I asked him to put this course together. So where we started off the course yesterday, that was, um, uh, an indoor session where I was talking through how are blades designed, uh, certified, tested, manufactured, um, what kinds of manufacturing defects can you see and what do they do about them in the factory?

‘Cause you know that they’re doing a lot of repairs in the factory already before you ever see a, a brand new blade. and then the next three days we’re going to be working on, um, yeah, grinding and [00:07:00] infusions and a bit of a, a bit of theory about, um, composite repairs.

Allen Hall 2025: What do you feel like are those key skill sets that engineers should know how to do, maybe not as well as a, a professional technician that does it a lot, but at least at a beginner’s level should be able to complete them before they start repairing blades on their own and giving advice about how to repair blades?

What, what are those key items?

Rosemary2: part of it is that I want them to be able to understand what is a bad damage and what’s not a bad damage cause you look a lot at images from the outside, but it’s really about what’s on the inside and how deep it goes is the real thing.

So, um, it’ll be about learning, you know, developing some judgment about, um, how bad it can be and how bad it can look on the outside. We’re not gonna be looking at so many real damages ’cause like obviously we’re just dealing with pieces that are in the, um, in the, uh, workshop and Yuri has [00:08:00] made some samples for us, um, purposely made them badly so that we’ve got some, you know, damage to find.

Allen Hall 2025: Are you addressing carbon fiber at all?

Rosemary2: Uh, I actually haven’t asked about that. I don’t think so. Carbon fiber is, um, is a real pain to work with because it’s conductive. Like, even grinding it makes a bit of a hazardous work environment. We did talk a little bit about the different materials yesterday and, um, about pultrusions. And actually, it turns out Yuri used to work somewhere where they, uh, manufactured pultrusions, and I had always, I was always under the impression that a pultrusion is, you know, like, perfectly s- perfectly straight.

That’s the point. And he’s like, “No way.” No way. There’s waviness in the pultrusions

Allen Hall 2025: And on March 3rd through 5th at WOMA 2027, Rosie, you’re gonna give part of this course as part of WOMA, right?

Rosemary2: Little, little mini course. We’ll have to decide what, what makes sense to include, ’cause it was… Yeah, I went through really a, a fair [00:09:00]bit about blades yesterday, you know, like why they are shaped the way that they are. So we had to talk about aerodynamics and, um, why they’re made of composite. So we had to talk about, you know, like composite materials, like how, how they, how they work So I don’t know if, uh, people wanna write in comments that m- we should, we should do some sort of, um, poll beforehand to see what are the topics that are most interesting to people, ’cause I think we’ll have a half day, right? So we’ll need to be, we’ll need to be focused.

Allen Hall 2025: the description of repairs and what repairs should look like could be tremendously valuable. Everybody who has seen a repair always wonders, “Was that repair done right?” And s- and if you can have some general tools to know, like, “Uh, maybe there’s something not quite right here,” or, “That looks like a solid repair,” that would be a tremendous help to the industry, p- particularly for asset managers

Rosemary2: Yeah. And you know what I think is even more useful than being able to pick out when it’s wrong is to be able to know when it’s right. You can– Y-you know, like it is so– [00:10:00] It’s such a relief. Like it takes such a mental load off you when you’re just like, “Yeah, that’s all, that’s all good. That’s normal. Okay, I know that that– I knew that that would happen, so this is not a surprise.”

‘ know, once you know you can make that judgment, you can do it very quickly and focus your attention where it should be, so you don’t need to stress for an hour over every repair. You’re just like, “Yeah. Good, good, good, good, good.” And then, “Mm, please explain why you have chosen to not, not repair this, but just put a Band-Aid over it.”

that’s the goal of this training is to get everybody, y-you know, technical people, not people who wanna ever be a blade repair technician. They’ve got their own training that covers what they need to know. But this one is just, yeah, getting people like asset managers or my employees to learn what they need to know about composites, given that they have already got a strong engineering education.

So, um, you know, they know a lot of the stuff, but just need to know the composite-specific stuff and wind turbine blade-specific stuff

I will run this course again, by the [00:11:00] way, ’cause there was a lot of people who wanted to do it I couldn’t fit in. So it’ll happen at least once. I’ll keep on running it until everybody that wants to do it has, has done it. But, um, yeah, feel free

to get in touch

Allen Hall 2025: So if you wanna attend Rosie’s short blade course at WOMA 2027, just visit woma2027.com and register today

Allen Hall 2025: [00:12:00] Well, over in Canada, they just approved a, really a wind farm big enough to power a small city, and almost none of the electricity is going to the grid, which is a very interesting aspect to some of the things that are happening in Canada at the minute.

So up in Nova Scotia, uh, they’ve conditionally approved the Ocean Lake Wind Project. This’d be the largest wind farm in the province’s history. Up to 158 turbines will rise, uh, generating as much as 1.2 gigawatts of power. But this power is not headed to households in Canada. Nearly all of it will be feeding Everwind Fuels’ green hydrogen and ammonia plant at Point Tupper, where clean electrons will become a fuel that can be shipped across the ocean to Europe. And Matthew, there’s been a lot of [00:13:00] projects like this in Europe that have stopped more recently, particularly in northern Europe and up in Scandinavia, uh, on the hydrogen side. Or at least they’ve slowed them down. Canada seems to be going into that breach maybe to fill that void. And is there a marketplace for this to occur up in Canada?

Matthew Stead: Yeah, I think it’s very interesting. Um, you know, like you say, a number of canceled projects, and in Australia there’s been numerous canceled projects. So I like, um, the analogy or use of the term hopium rather than hydrogen, um, where, um, everyone’s hoping hydrogen will be the answer. Um, although, you know, what I, what I’ve read and understood is that, um, you know, the commercials just don’t really stack up and, um, yeah. So in terms of South Australia anyway, um, there was some major, um, hydrogen, uh, development planned with, um, you know, it, it never stacked up. So, you know, it sounds like a great [00:14:00] idea, um, but I’m not sure that the commercials will ever stack up unless you’ve got that guaranteed offtake for the, for the ammonium

Allen Hall 2025: Yolanda, what kind of uphill battle is this to get this wind farm up and running knowing that it’s one customer and that commercial market is a little shaky at the minute?

Yolanda Padron: what we saw, they have a lot of ca- caveats, right? So they’ve, they need to secure the customers before they start building and before they do anything, um, behind the meter. But it’s, I mean, it’s, it’s a pretty big wind farm, and it’s pretty far up north. But I mean, we, we talked to someone in, in northern US today who was having icing issues.

So I mean, of course we know Canada is no, no stranger to that, if they do make it work, I think it’d be really, really exciting to, to have sort of one technology power another, um, instead of just what we’ve been hearing a lot of the potential data centers and, and just wind po- [00:15:00] powering data centers.

Matthew Stead: Why not data centers? You know, seriously, like you said, Yolanda. why not go something that does have commercial demand?

Yolanda Padron: we’ve talked a lot about the potential of da- data centers, right? And we’ve talked a lot about people wanting to do them. Um, but there’s also a lot of talk of potentially doing data centers up in space and a lot of talk of maybe what if we do it offshore or, you know. And so I think there’s a lot of what ifs with data centers.

Of course, there’s a lot of what if with this, but just from a technology standpoint, I think this is really intriguing to have something that’s, that’s a little bit even more out there than what we’ve heard so far

Allen Hall 2025: Is it a build it and they will come type of s- situation here that hydrogen and ammonia may be the, the first offtake, but realistically, if that doesn’t work out, they can still connect to the grid and feed Canada, feed the Northeast of the United States or something else

Matthew Stead: Also, um, like Japan has [00:16:00] also expressed strong demand for, um, ammonia, and so, you know, they- they’re on the East Coast, aren’t they? So, you know, shipping it from East Coast to Japan is not gonna be so, so easy. I stick by what I said before. It’s hopium. it’s not a plan

Allen Hall 2025: I just saw an article today talking about Airbus continuing on with a hydrogen aircraft, and I think they were gonna work with a Japanese firm to work on that together. Six months ago I thought that died, but maybe it’s still in the offering. Maybe there’s an offtake for hydrogen. B- besides the, you know, replacement for some of the, uh, more unpleasant gases that are used in steel production and in some other industry things, maybe part of this is airplane fuel.

Which ammonia is one of those offerings also, right? The, there’s been a number of efforts to turn ammonia fuel into essentially jet fuel. They configure the engines to burn ammonia, which is a possibility. It does seem remote though, [00:17:00] honestly. There doesn’t seem to be a huge pull for hydrogen, and there’s not a, a major market for ammonia at at least at the moment.

So I don’t know. It, it’s… When you’re talking about gigawatts of capacity you’re gonna build, you, you hopefully have an offtake

for it

Yolanda Padron: if they designed it for it being not connected to the grid, right, it just is kind of like a behind the meter thing, and then could they later retrofit it into there? Like, how would all that permitting and everything

Allen Hall 2025: I–

well, that’s a great question. I– There are a number of, uh, connections between the United States and Canada at the moment. guess is that when they place this wind farm, they have that alternate route lined up, just like any wind farm in here in the States, that you’ll find them real close to high-voltage transmission lines.

Generally, those are the easy ones because transmission lines cost money and take time for permitting. I’m not sure Canada has those kind of restrictions, right? But Nova Scotia is not the easiest place in the world to do heavy construction work, just the [00:18:00] nature of Nova Scotia. It will be fascinating to see how they progress with this, but it’s something to keep an eye on because a lot of other projects like this have slowed down

Matthew Stead: Do you remember when some of the OEMs were talking about, um, putting electrolyzers on their offshore wind turbines? So the, the theory, the theory was you’ve got offshore wind turbine, you don’t connect it to the grid standalone, um, and you generate hydrogen or, uh, possibly ammonia on the actual wind turbine.

And then every now and then you just decant it, you know, drive up with a boat, you know, plug in the hose, and then suck out the hydrogen or ammonia. So, um, yeah, once again, all of those have gone quiet, haven’t

they?

Allen Hall 2025: speaking of Japan, a global oil giant is walking away from the Japanese offshore wind project, uh, but the project’s not dying. BP has told its Japanese partners it intends to withdraw from a wind farm planned off Yamagata Prefecture, uh, apparently worried about [00:19:00] profitability. The 450-megawatt project sits, uh, just off the coast, and it is led by trading house Marubeni, which says it will press ahead without BP.

Kansai Electric and Tokyo Gas remain on board also. So BP’s exit follows really a, a brutal year for Japan, where Mitsubishi has, and some others, have pulled out of, uh, at least three projects so far, uh, over rising construction costs, and I think a lot of that’s tied to inflation. Uh, the ambition’s still there for, uh, for a number of companies, but it’s just getting harder and harder to do projects in Japan.

Is this just the nature of the economy in Japan at the moment, or is this more about Japanese policy on the offtake,

Matthew Stead: I, I’m not really deep into the details but, you know, it just appears to me like a blip. I mean, there, I think there’s a lot of commitment in Japan to, you know, carry [00:20:00] out their offshore developments and I, I think this is probably more just a blip, um, and a little, you know, internal corporate, you know, argument rather than a sustained issue on offtake agreements and so forth

Allen Hall 2025: Well, Yolanda, how hard is it to keep partners on a wind development in general? Are there a lot of moving pieces there until the turbines hit the water or hit the

earth?

there’s

Yolanda Padron: I think a lot of moving pieces, but not, uh, I haven’t seen a lot of changes once it’s been publicly announced and everything’s, you know, everything’s been signed and everything. Um, I do think this is really interesting. I know we’ve talked a lot about, about having, about the idea of like sometimes people think wind’s really expensive, and the way that we’re gonna make wind work is just making it cheaper for everybody and just optimizing it as much as possible, um, and, and just being, having the turbines be as resilient as possible, right?

And I think such a strong player just backing out maybe [00:21:00] will incentivize some of the people in Japan to sort of try to see how they can optimize it a little bit more. I’m really excited to see it. I don’t know. It’d be… I think it’d be a nice it

Allen Hall 2025: Isn’t the bonus to offshore wind the price stability? Although the price may be higher today than you may be happy to pay, the stability of that price is a huge leverage point when you compare it to things like oil and gas or natural gas, um, in particular, which are highly volatile, that for electricity, at least you have this fairly steady source at a fixed price that you can plan out 10 years, 20 years, 25 years, maybe even 30 years. And as batteries become more prevalent on the grid, that the math even gets better over the years. Isn’t that the bonus? And, and if [00:22:00] everybody can focus on the long-term effects to the economy is where all the action will be?

Matthew Stead: Yeah, I mean, when I first, um, started looking into wind, you know, 10 plus years ago, I, I won- wondered why. Why would you build offshore with all that expense? And then, you know, it became clear to me just around the, um, you know, the diversity, you know, the, the fact that you might get more wind at times that you don’t get onshore wind, and the fact that it’s more consistent.

Um, yeah, and, you know, so those… I- it’s really a trade-off, isn’t it? Between the capital costs and the, um, more reliable, more consistent, um, offshore wind. So I think, you know, I, I was convinced at the start, I thought it was crazy, but then obviously it’s, it’s a, it’s a… it makes sense

Yolanda Padron: Yeah, I agree. And I think, uh, depending on where you’re having your offshore wind farm, you run into things that you maybe haven’t run into before, right? I know onshore we run into a lot of things in the [00:23:00]US and Australia that we, you know, the, the turbines just maybe weren’t designed for, or there wasn’t a lot of research being done because it was being done in Europe and, and the conditions are really different.

Um, and just the same way, you know, the sea is different in different places. There’s different depths. There are diff- different things that you need to worry about. but yeah, I, I completely agree that there’s a lot more generation, um, offshore. It’s, it’s bigger turbines. Um, there can be bigger, larger costs. You know, if you need to do a blade replacement or something, it, it can get, again, really expensive really quickly. But, but it’s, it’s a trade-off for sure.

Allen Hall 2025: We’re gonna take a quick break, but when we come back, we wanna talk about a place where wind is being fought over versus projects slowing down ​

[00:24:00] over in the UK, there’s a big fight about offshore wind, and not just about where wind turbines will be planted, but more about how they will affect other wind turbines.

So RWE is defending the UK government’s approval of its three-gigawatt Dogger Bank South project, which won its consent order, uh, basically a month and a half ago. Uh, but the developers next door are taking that approval to court. Equinor, SSE, Vårgrön own the neighboring 3.6-gigawatt Dogger Bank wind farm, and they have filed for j-judicial review.

Their argument is technical, but the price tag is not. They say wake effects, where one wind farm steals the wind from another due to turbulence, could cut their output and cost them between €500 million and [00:25:00] €669 million over the life of their project. That’s a lot of money, Matthew. A half a million euros is not something to ignore.

It looks like this is headed to some judicial court or maybe arbitration. Wake effects, which are actually not that well understood from what I can tell at the moment, there’s a lot of discussion and argument about, uh, how real are they or, or what effect they can have on power output. Uh, there’s a lot of money at stake, and the location of some of these wind farms is pretty close to one

another

Matthew Stead: you know, we always, always talk about, you know, AEP loss and, you know, the, the challenge is actually measuring it. And, um, you know, I’ve heard different numbers, but, you know, plus or minus half a percent of AEP loss, um, appears to me from what– in discussions, you know, the, the limit of what you can actually ever measure on a good day.

Um, I just wonder, I mean, while those numbers, you know, €500, um, [00:26:00] million is a, is a big number, um, but what is that as a percentage of the overall output of that, of that facility? Um, I, I don’t know the answer, but, you know, if, if it’s, you know, half a percent, I think you’d be struggling to, um, struggling to justify that, that wake effect loss.

I mean, you know, going back to what you said, Allen, you know, there are wake effects of some sort, but it’s a question of how much. I mean, that-that’s why aircraft don’t take off, um, too closely, isn’t it? Because there’s wake effects. Um, so it’s definitely a given, definitely a given. Um, but, you know, how much of an impact it truly is.

Um, and I mean, there’s always other variables, you know, variables in the weather, you know, wind patterns, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, and how much do this– does this actually compare to those other, other variables?

Allen Hall 2025: Yolanda, how would you even mitigate wake turbulence on an adjacent wind farm? Are there ways to do that today?

Yolanda Padron: I think the, the aerodynamics, Allen, would [00:27:00] be a lot more in your court than, than in mine.

Matthew does have a really good point. I mean, what are we… With the UK wanting to ramp up offshore as much as they want to ramp up, right? They’re not going to just cancel a large project, and they need to… I mean, it’s not, uh, there’s a finite amount of space, right? So what, I mean, what, what are you, what are you gonna do?

It’s like, it’s what, like, what happens in onshore where you, you really hope maybe that you don’t get a wind farm that’s really, really close by. Um, but you might also want to plan for it. I mean, I know of sites that have le- that lease a little bit of extra land so that way no one else can lease it, or that they can, they can use that to, to travel between turbines.

Um, and it’s, I mean, it’s, it’s kind of… Isn’t it kind of just part of it, part of the trade?

Allen Hall 2025: it has to be, right, at some point. [00:28:00] The question in my mind about all this is how much wake is there? Is it directly impacting the adjacent wind farm? Is there– are there things that can be done to minimize that wake turbulence? I think the answer is yes, but as wind turbine blade designers, I haven’t seen the same level of wake reduction that we have seen more recently in aerospace.

It’s complicated to do some of these things on a wind turbine blade. You’re mass-producing. You’re making a blade a day or a blade in a day-and-a-half timeframe. Are you gonna design this really aerodynamic tip to go on to reduce the wake on a particular wind farm? Probably not, right? So it’s, it’s– is it worth doing that versus the, the cost it would be?

So it’s gonna cost 500 million euros in loss to an adjacent wind farm. Do you put that 500 million into the design effort and the molds and [00:29:00]everything else to make these blades different? Uh, it’s a tight trade-off, right? It– from the engineering side. It may be better settled in the courts, honestly. Just it may be cheaper to do it that way.

Matthew Stead: Uh, I, I was gonna go down a different avenue. I mean, obviously there’s always curtailment. There’s always curtailment due to grid congestion, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, maintenance. I mean, if they, if they just– when wind is coming from a certain direction, they could just de-rate and, uh, just not absorb as much energy, um, out of the wind when the wind is coming from that sector.

And so that would be a way of, um, not modifying the turbine, just de-rating it under a certain wind condition. I mean, the same thing occurs with noise curtailment all the time. Um, so there’s, there’s noise modes. There could be a, a wake loss mode. We should trademark that

Allen Hall 2025: Well, you know who’s gonna make money out of this no matter what? The

lawyers.

Allen Hall 2025: [00:30:00] Well, in this quarter’s PES Wind magazine, there are a number of great articles, and you can download the entire magazine and all those great articles at peswind.com. There’s a nice little article from Enerpac Tool Group, and if you’re not familiar with them, they make a, a number of tools that are handy in the wind industry.

Uh, and, you know, routine torque checks is kind of a pain, right? And the problem with a lot of those checks is that you have to haul around a heavy hydraulic pump to do it. And so if you’ve ever been to a trade show and seen some of these [00:31:00] pumps, it is a pain. And if you h- have to move around, especially on a w- wind site a lot, you really don’t wanna have a heavy pump that maybe is made for something, uh, more robust.

Uh, and you need something that’s portable. That’s what you really need, right? So the Enerpac Tool Group has really created this, uh, LU series they call. Which is a lightweight, portable, hydraulic pump, which is for intermittent work, which is what happens on most wind sites. It’s intermittent. Uh, so the product line director, Angie Wallace, uh, talks about this and says technician feedback has shaped this new tool, uh, from multiple carrying handles and an upward-facing gauge.

And that is a big thumbs up from me. When you put the gauge on the side of the tool where you can’t see it, such a problem. It’s like they’ve never used it. Well, obviously, the Enerpac has been talking to technicians, and they put the gauge where the technician can actually see it. Uh, and it’s designed to go through towers and, and tight [00:32:00] spaces.

Uh, so this is made specifically for offshore conditions. It’s ruggedized, and it’s a great tool. And a lot of times, Matthew, when you s- see the technicians about and some of the tools they carry, you’re like, man, that is not a good tool for this. That is, that is too much to be hauling around, particularly uptower.

It’s nice that we can see some tools that are designed job

Matthew Stead: I, I’m completely convinced. I, I don’t have much to say. Um, I mean, my, my day job is, um, you know, designing products and working out what products we’re going to, to work on, and, you know, the customer is the main voice you should listen to, um, at least in the first step. So always listen to the customer first, and I think from what you’ve described, customer first, and then develop the product to suit the application.

Yeah, so yeah, I’m convinced

Allen Hall 2025: Yolanda, you’ve seen Interpack on sites, haven’t you? It does seem like I run across them once in a while at some of the US

sites

Yolanda Padron: Every once [00:33:00] in a while. I do gotta say I love the idea of when, like, actual, like, boots on the ground people’s feedback is taken into consideration for, for anything really. And so this is, this just makes me really happy because I think a lot of times, like, as engineers, like, we love the idea of just, oh, I’m gonna do this really cool fancy thing, and then it’s just it- no one can use it, or a very specialized person has to be able to use it.

And so actually doing, you know, modifying a product so that it, it makes sense for the people using it, and I know we’ve, we’ve all talked about it a lot internally and, and we continue to work towards making it easier and easier on, on the people actually installing the product. Like, this is, this is really exciting.

Allen Hall 2025: So if you need a lightweight pump for tightening some bolts uptower, particularly if you’re offshore, take a look at this Enerpac line of LU lightweight series tools. It’s well worth it. And at that same time, you should check out PES Wind magazine. Just go to [00:34:00] peswind.com

That wraps up another episode of the Uptime Wind Energy podcast. If today’s discussion sparked any questions or ideas, we’d love to hear from you. Reach out directly to Rosemary, and don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode. for yolonda, Matthew, and Rosemary, I’m Allen Hall, and we’ll see you here next week on the Uptime Wind Energy podcast.

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Looks like communism! is the new mantra of the GOP.  It’s coming from the least intelligent of their leaders to the least intelligent of their followers.

Could work!

Ben Carson on NEWSMAX!

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Obama on the Middle East

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What Obama says at left is a reminder that life in on Earth is tough enough without the planet’s most nation being led by a criminal sociopath.

Obama on the Middle East

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