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FabricAir’s Innovative System Proactively Prevents Costly Turbine Icing

Allen Hall and Joel Saxum had a great conversation with Daniela Roeper of FabricAir, formerly Borealis Wind, regarding their innovative wind turbine blade heating system to mitigate icing. They discuss the system’s impressive new capabilities, including advanced controls, analytics, and an efficient service model, now enabled further through the strategic Borealis acquisition, to provide exceptional value for wind farm owners. Roeper shares insightful perspectives on overlooked icing costs and explains how this optimized technology can boost production at icy sites. With FabricAir’s substantial resources supporting ongoing enhancements, the future shines bright for effectively tackling troublesome turbine icing.

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Allen Hall: We’re at CanREA the Electricity Transformation Canada 2023 event, and because it’s so icy, we decided to grab Daniela Roeper, who was formerly with Borealis Wind, who is now VP at FabricAir. So we have a lot to discuss, icing wise, on turbine blades. It must be a huge discussion point this week because it is terrible outside.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, there’s a half inch of ice on every bar.

Allen Hall: Oh yeah, everywhere.

Daniela Roeper: Couldn’t ask for better marketing.

Allen Hall: No, this is great.

Joel Saxum: And the fantastic marketing that you guys did with the ice scrappers at the booth.

Allen Hall: Oh, yep. Spot. Perfect timing. Spot on. Yeah. I gotta grab one of those before we leave. Yeah.

Daniela Roeper: Free ice protection systems for your vehicle.

Joel Saxum: The base model.

Allen Hall: Yeah. So lot’s happened since we have spoken to Borealis and you, which just realized ’cause you reminded me.

We, we talked in Copenhagen, which was earlier this year. But a lot has happened since then, so maybe you could give us a timeline of what you’ve been through over the last couple of months.

Daniela Roeper: So we spoke at the end of April, and in June we closed a deal with Fabricare to become part of the FabricAir group.

FabricAir is an HVAC company, they’ve been around for 50 years. They produce fabric ducting, which is used in many different industries. And they’ve been our fabric duct supplier since we started the company. And there was a very good strategic fit. So as of June 1st, we are officially part of the FabricAir group, and Borealis Wind is the product line in FabricAir.

Otherwise, the system itself hasn’t changed, so that stays the same, and we have some exciting developments with our business model that I want to share, but I don’t know if I should do that yet.

Allen Hall: Let’s work our way up to that. FabricAir, if you don’t realize makes all the ducting for all the air conditioning and heating systems in a lot of factories and buildings around the world.

In terms of your product, though, it’s like a toughened, almost like a fire hose consistency of material. Is it Kevlar? What is this magic fabric that you stick in blades?

Daniela Roeper: We are using Cordura fabric.

Allen Hall: Okay.

Daniela Roeper: Which is a fabric you may have heard of. It’s advertised on work pants, backpacks, military gear.

Allen Hall: Yeah, it’s really tough stuff. Exactly. Okay. That makes a lot of sense then. Alright, so FabricAir is based in Denmark, right? But they have a lot of facilities all over the world. They’re a big company.

Daniela Roeper: Yes. They have offices worldwide, I believe in 16 countries.

Joel Saxum: Oh, wow. I didn’t know that.

Daniela Roeper: Yeah, and they have a manufacturing office in Lithuania, and they’ve also just opened one in Mexico.

Joel Saxum: Okay. So will you guys get to take advantage of that in the future?

Daniela Roeper: Our plan is to keep the manufacturing in Canada as we have it now. As we grow, there may be an opportunity where it makes sense to outsource some of that.

But we’ll look at that down the road.

Joel Saxum: Will you also keep your basically the Borealis Wind team has stayed the same.

Daniela Roeper: Yep.

Joel Saxum: And you guys are all still in Canada. Nobody’s being forced to move to Denmark or anything like that.

Daniela Roeper: No, we’re all still in Canada, all still in our office. The team’s the same, product’s the same.

So in a lot of ways, Borealis Wind still is. We’re still offering the same service and product that we were before, but now with significantly more resources behind it.

Allen Hall: That move to FabricAir and being a larger organization then opens up your envelope a little bit in terms of the type of icing events you could possibly cover, right?

Because part of the issue with the system originally was it’s a little expensive. And that drove you to be in a limit icing condition when you spoke at Winter Wind in Sweden.

Was that was this year also, right?

Daniela Roeper: That was, yeah.

Allen Hall: Oh my God. Okay. Okay. So I’ve been a lot of places this year.

So in Winter Wind the presentation was really interesting and you had a lot of advocates for the system there. I was sitting next to a person who had used that system and couldn’t believe how great it was. But it was a really severe icing. The pictures I saw was like massive amounts of ice on turbines.

The sweet point is to broaden that market space, right? To try to get down to the Texas freeze situation. Does FabricAir now allow you to do, expand that envelope a little bit.

Daniela Roeper: Yes, and I have so much to say, so give me a minute because I’m excited about this. The misconception has always been that you need really severe icing to make a blade heating system or ice protection system make sense.

And our goal has been to break that misconception that you can have a blade heating system at a moderately iced site. And that has been our target, so we’ve been working in the class 3, 4, 5 icing severities. Whereas previously it’s like class five sites that were considered to need blade heating systems, right?

And our goal now with this is to access that class two market, which is by far the largest market for icing.

Allen Hall: Sure. Yeah, and the reason you can do that is what drives that opening of to get down to class two.

Daniela Roeper: So with these additional resources that we have access to and with FabricAir’s 50 years of history in HVAC.

We have a little bit more buying power than we did before and our focus is on reducing the cost of the system through scale and through standardization of components. And also we are pivoting to a system as a service model.

Allen Hall: Okay.

Daniela Roeper: So our customers will pay an annual fee for the system and we will be responsible for the installation of the equipment, maintenance, monitoring, everything.

Joel Saxum: That’s fantastic.

Daniela Roeper: And they will have a, a positive ROI every year. So they would have icing recoveries that would be greater than the price they’re paying for the system. And we guarantee the availability of the system as well. So we guarantee the system will be 95 percent available during the winter.

Joel Saxum: Wow. Huge. In any industry, in wind industry specifically, we see this all the time. It’s hard for asset owners, or asset managers to want to adopt a new technology. Because they’re taking a risk, right? We talk about it all the time with the StrikeTape product. We’re constantly doing trials.

We’re always having to prove the products. Nobody really wants to take a risk on something new. And while your product makes absolute sense pragmatically, it is a capital risk for all these people. And what you guys are doing with that commercial model is taking the risk on basically yourself and making it simple for them to adopt it.

And I, I think that’s a novel approach. It’s a fantastic idea.

Daniela Roeper: Well said.. Thank you. You should be pitching this.

Joel Saxum: I can. For sale all the time.

Allen Hall: You’re a SaaS model now, so if anybody is familiar with all the Silicon Valley talk, right? A SaaS is a very popular model to fund widely accepted concepts, right?

You pick a SaaS model not because you’re going to sell ten of these things. You pick a SaaS model because you’re going to sell thousands of these. And that changes sort of the market dynamics on icing. Because the noise before, the complaint before, was this, Oh, it’s so expensive, I don’t want to do it, right?

That’s the ERCOT.

Joel Saxum: It’s the capital of the upfront.

Allen Hall: It’s upfront capital, right? The upfront capital would stop people from even discussing it. But you’ve taken that away, opening the door to many more organizations and operators to take advantage of this.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, and many more budget sectors within those organizations. OPEX money instead of just CapEx money.

Allen Hall: If you’re opening up OPEX money, I’m imagining how this goes. In the mechanical side of wind turbines, gearbox replacement, blade repair, all those, everybody pays up front. Everything’s up front. Or maybe there’s a little bit of leeway. To come in with a mechanical system, with a SAS model, is unique in wind, as far as I know.

Not even the drone operators offer anything really like that too much. It tends to be, pay for service as it’s delivered. You’re setting the industry on its head a little bit. How is that going? This is probably, is this the first big conference you’ve been at since that announcement?

Daniela Roeper: It’s the first big conference, yes.

Allen Hall: So what’s the feedback so far?

Daniela Roeper: It has been good. Okay. And I have seriously questioned our customers because I think the perspective can be, oh, they’re just trying to make more money off of this by making it a SaaS model. And that is not the intention with this. We want to take the risk away from our customers. So we want to take full responsibility for the system.

We want to guarantee that it’s going to be functional all winter. We want to make sure they’re making their returns. We’re going to take the risk of the ROI on the hardware on us. Yeah.

Allen Hall: So what do you have to lose? I guess I’m working on it on the operator’s side. You come in, you install the system.

I don’t write you a check until it’s installed, I assume. And then I send you a check for the year.

Daniela Roeper: Exactly. So we’re basically trying to put money in people’s pockets.

Allen Hall: And they don’t, yeah, if you’re trying to give me money, I think the rule is to take it.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, the business case is easy to quantify, right?

You go to operator XYZ and say, How much downtime did you have last year? Your PPA price is this is how much you lost. We’re going to give it to you for this, and we’re going to maintain it ourselves. Okay, it seems pretty simple to me. The business case doesn’t take that long, I can scratch it on a napkin.

Daniela Roeper: Yeah, that’s the goal, that’s the goal. Okay. But I’m, this is our first big conference presenting this concept. So, we have good feedback so far.

Allen Hall: Yeah. It’s new to industry, I think, at least in North America for the most part, which I think drives a really good discussion because your entry into that space could have been better timing in terms of ERCOT, right?

So Texas is trying to propose regulations that keep wind turbines up and running, right? That’s one of, and so there’s been a lot of pushback in the industry to say, the operators to say everything’s so expensive. You’re just taking that argument away from and say, no, it’s not. It’s not expensive. In fact, it’s going to save you money over the long run, or even in the short run.

You’re going to be making money off the system every year.

Joel Saxum: What it sounds like to me, and this is an overreaching statement maybe, but, the FacAirare acquisition of Borealis Wind. You guys right now in building this new commercial model, having these resources behind you, it’s like you’re pulling the bow back right now.

January 1st when winter hits, you guys are ready to let it fly. And grow and grow. That’s fantastic for you.

Allen Hall: Let’s get down to the nitty gritty. If I’m interested in installing this system, What is the lead time? Now with Fabric Air, I assume there’s obviously a lot more power there and faster churn.

A month to be installed? What’s the flow look like? I call you and say, Daniela sold me. Let’s go.

Daniela Roeper: It depends on the quantity, too. And it depends on the time of year. I would say it’s about a three month lead time. Okay. And we typically don’t install in January, February. But that could be different if it’s in Texas.

It may not be an issue to install in January, February.

Joel Saxum: That’s what you want.

Allen Hall: So if it’s a three month lead time, that’s above industry standards right now. Lead times are six months to a year for a lot of components. If you can get them, to turn on an anti ice system in a couple weeks really is amazing.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, so if you’re listening to this and you want to have an anti ice system, you need to call now.

Daniela Roeper: You need to call now if you want it before Christmas. Yeah.

Allen Hall: So is there anything new on the product side in terms of development or what’s the next generation look like? Maybe we should ask that question. Is the next generation coming? Because it must be coming.

Daniela Roeper: It is coming and it is lighter than ever before. It has fewer metal components. It is We’ve optimized the heating controls and we’ve upgraded our heater to maximize the power output and I don’t want to give too much away, so I’m trying to give you information without being too vague.

But and we’ve, over the past few months, we’ve been building a really comprehensive dashboard of the system that the site managers can have access to as well, but right now we’re using it to monitor the systems. Okay. And the customers can have access to it as well if they’re interested in it.

Allen Hall: So there’s a cloud component to this?

Daniela Roeper: Yes.

Allen Hall: So what does that cloud component look like? If I’m an operator and I do want to see this, what am I looking at?

Daniela Roeper: So At the moment, our customers have access to a user interface that shows them all of the data from their site. What we’ve been building is we’ve been collecting all the data, putting it on the cloud and putting it into a data visualization platform.

Sure. That allows you to go through the data on a much more detailed scale than you’re able to in our user interface right now. So if you want to look on a, like on a top level. What’s the system performance overall? You can see that or you can drill down and you can see down to each sensor output What’s happening with the system?

Allen Hall: Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay, so it’s even like a debug feature if you’re an operators to see how it’s going on Okay, so that’s very useful for you to if there is an issue You know immediately where to go into it.

Daniela Roeper: And for our search. Yeah for our service offerings. Our goal so really what we want to do is kill this idea that blade heating systems are only for severely ice sites, right?

Yeah, and that’s why the functionality, like the availability of the system the efficiency of the system is so important and that’s why that data analytics and that monitoring of the systems is also so important.

Allen Hall: Wow. Okay. So at the end of the day this cloud based system, it’s, is it going to give you a sense of how much power you’re producing versus what you would have produced?

Daniela Roeper: Yes.

Allen Hall: Was that one of the options that’s going to be on this thing, I hope?

Daniela Roeper: Yes, that will be. And that is something we’re monitoring now. Right now it’s We work with IceTek and they do the analysis of the performance as a third, separate third party. And we provide that to our customers, but we do want to build that into the cloud version as well. So you can see that live and see the performance.

Joel Saxum: Oh, sure. Yeah, it’s a good sales tool.

Allen Hall: Oh, yeah. It’s a fantastic sales tool. So let’s talk IceTek for a minute because we’re going to have IceTek on the podcast, hopefully. IceTek is your ice detector manufacturer system. It’s unique because it’s specialized to you a little bit.

Because you’re using advanced techniques to detect when ice is about to occur, not after the fact, like when ice is occurring, that’s easy, right? It’s the pre buildup to ice, it’s likely to occur, that gives you the advantage in terms of de icing the blade, preventing icing but also lowering the amount of power the system uses.

Do you want to just get into that a little bit? Because it’s a complicated thing, when it was first described to me, I was like, okay, I get it. I think the main point is you’re actually using less power to heat the blade.

Joel Saxum: Yes. From my side on the operational thing with blades, I’m looking at it like this.

If you know exactly when to turn that on so you don’t actually build up ice, because built up ice is fatigue. It’s fatigue. Ice throws are dangerous for people around, but they’re really dangerous for your blades. I’ve seen a lot of insurance cases where you throw off a hunk of ice the size of a truck hood into the air, and then the next blade comes around and hits it.

So you’re, with IceTek, working in cohesion with your unit. You won’t have ice throes anymore because it’ll be turning on right at the right time.

Daniela Roeper: Okay, sorry, now I just have to talk about that because you got me on a topic. There are so many costs associated with icing that people don’t realize. And not only those safety incidents techs refusing to work, downtime because your techs aren’t able to access the turbine, damage, all that stuff, those are costs that people don’t look at.

But as we’ve seen with IceTek, and they can talk about this more than I can, They’re seeing that customers are underestimating their icing performance loss by 40 to 50 percent. Because icing is very hard to identify. If you’re just looking at status codes, you’re just looking at the times when the turbine knows it has ice on it.

But there are a lot of other status codes that are caused by icing, but they don’t come up as an icing status code, like a pitch error or tower vibration or something like that.

Allen Hall: Okay. Which is wear and tear.

Daniela Roeper: You should ask them about that and listeners should tune in for that podcast as well to hear from them.

So I’ll tell you about their sensor. I talked about it last time and I got a little bit of flack from them that I, it wasn’t the best scientific description. So you should ask them for that. But they’re measuring liquid water content, which is directly correlated to ice buildup on blades. And so as soon as they’re measuring conditions, liquid water content that would form ice on the blade that tells us to trigger our system.

So at that point, the blades are still free of ice. We get a head start. We can heat up the blades. Prevent as much of that ice formation as possible. And that also tells us when we are outside of what we call our operational envelope. So if it’s extremely severe, say it’s minus 20 degrees Celsius, 15 meter per second wind, we would need much more power to keep the blades heated than we, than financially makes sense to do.

So in that case, it’s better for us to wait until conditions warm up a little bit, turn the heating system on two hours or four hours later, and then remove the ice. So that allows us to optimize how much consumption we have. On another note, I’ve also heard the misconception that blade heating systems use so much energy, they don’t make sense.

It’s also not true. So we use about 4% of the energy that’s recovered by our system. We use 4% of that to keep the blades.

Joel Saxum: That’s a pretty good ROI too. Yeah.

Allen Hall: And the reason you were able to do that is how?

Daniela Roeper: So our system is only so say for a two or three megawatt turbine. We’re drawing a hundred kilowatts.

Okay, so if the turbine can operate and in the winter capacity factors are typically higher. But say that if the turbine can operate at 60 percent of its 3 megawatt capacity, we’re using a very small percentage of that to heat the blades or keep the blades heated.

Allen Hall: Okay So in the way that you’re heating the blade just to walk through this real quickly is you have a basically a fabric tube that runs up along the leading edge and it dumps hot air out at the top. Yes, and then that cycles back around the fabric tube back down to your heater. So you’re constantly keeping warm air warm, right? You’re not constantly warming up cold air. You’re you’ve got this sort of nice warm space that you built.

Joel Saxum: So here’s a question for you.

Has anybody ever called you and said, Hey, Daniela, we have the blade heating system. Can we warm the blade up and do an internal blade repair in the winter?

Daniela Roeper: Actually they have, and I. Our teams, when they go for winter maintenance, they do warm the blade up for themselves a bit before they continue to.

Joel Saxum: They’re on the system like, hey, we’re gonna be there in 15 minutes, warm it up.

Yeah. I get it, I would too. It’s a side perk. Yeah, absolutely. A warm, nice place to work. I like it.

Daniela Roeper: Hey, it’s better than trying to do something with your hands at minus 20.

Joel Saxum: Yeah, it frees up, yeah.

Daniela Roeper: No way.

Joel Saxum: Absolutely. It’s qualified under an HSE consideration.

We had to turn it on.

Allen Hall: So the, so now the… you have an improved system. You’re making advancements in the cloud side and the data response side. It sounds like obviously you’re taking advantage of the reliability of the system now to use it as a SaaS product. That’s got to be a huge advantage.

And one of the, I know one of the questions that I hear about is these ice phobic coatings. So ice phobic coatings tend to build up ice and then sling it. That seems to be the approach. It’s slippery. Will they work in conjunction with your heating system? If somebody’s already put an ice phobic coating on, which there’s been a lot of trials of a lot of different systems.

So there is some of that out there. Would they have to remove that system at all? Or would it even matter anymore? You could still operate with the coating that’s on there.

Daniela Roeper: You can still operate with the coating that’s on there. That’s no problem. Some of our customers have tried them together. That’s not my data to share.

Okay.

So the system works well whether there’s a coating on it or there’s no coating on it. So you don’t need, you don’t need an is phobic coating for the heating system to work well.

Allen Hall: Okay. ‘Cause I’ve heard a lot of discussion like if you put an icephobic coating on, it just makes it work better.

But you’re, what, your approach you’re using is a little bit different than the ice phobic coatings work. So the icephobic coating would even really matter anymore. I think they’re getting ahead of you’re way ahead of what the ice phobic coatings are doing. Proactive versus, yeah. It’s more proactive thing.

And I think. The discussion we’re hearing back from industry is there’s a lifetime to that. So it lasts a couple of years. You have to reapply it with an internal heating system that’s especially the SAS model, it’s one and done. It’s getting maintained anyways. They’re gonna come down and maintain it, so we don’t have to worry about it.

Daniela Roeper: On that topic of lifetime, I want to add a new perspec, a new thing to consider. Okay. With the SAS model, if, And unfortunately, this is the case, but it, blades are almost being considered consumables at this point because there have been so many blade failures. But one of the beauties of our system and the SAS model is that if you do have an issue with the blade, we can move the heating system to a different blade and it doesn’t add any extra cost.

Or if you decide to repower or upgrade, we can bring that heating system to the next blade. We can add a duct extension if the blade is a few meters longer, we’ll add a duct extension. And you’re still able to use that same heating system. And our goal with the software’s, or sorry, the system as a service model is that we want to reduce the waste created by our system.

So we want to repurpose as much as we can and refurbish as many components as we can to reduce the waste or what ends up in a landfill from our system. And that ties into that as well so that we can, we would reuse the same system for a larger blade and just add a duct extension.

Joel Saxum: And you’re keeping costs down for your client that way as well.

Daniela Roeper: Yeah, and we’re keeping costs down.

Allen Hall: Oh yeah, sure. That’s awesome. So Is repowering one of those places where your system gets installed? Is that the easy time? The blades are on the ground, they’re going to put new blades up.

Daniela Roeper: That is a great time. That’s a, it’s a great time. If you’re repowering, that’s something I would think about.

And it is going to be a factor in the Quebec market in Canada. It is planned to be a requirement for repowers that they will have to add a blade heating system because of the impact of icing in Quebec.

Allen Hall: When did that happen?

Daniela Roeper: That has just been in discussion in the last, I would say, year and a half.

Allen Hall: Is that just Quebec province, or all the provinces?

Daniela Roeper: That’s just the province of Quebec at the moment. And it’s not formalized yet, so none of the sites are at the point in Quebec yet where they will be repowered, but it has been, so that was a requirement in the RFP they did for new sites this past year and it is planned to be a requirement for the repowers, but those are still, I would say we’re still five, seven years away from that.

Joel Saxum: Do you think FabricAir was reading that bit of news when they purchased…

Allen Hall: When they called you? Yeah.

Daniela Roeper: Perhaps. I

Joel Saxum: Tell you what, we talked with you guys the last few shows we’ve been at. Your booth now looks fantastic. Completely upgraded. Thank you. The company has matured fantastically.

Congratulations on the FabricAir acquisition. I think it’s going to be big things on the horizon.

Daniela Roeper: Thank you. Thank you. And for me, I want to say, I’m really grateful for FabricAir that their ambition and their support for this product is incredible. So I’m really excited for what we’re going to be able to do together.

Allen Hall: So if someone wants to reach out and get a hold of you and to put this new Borealis system by FabricAir in, how do they do that?

Daniela Roeper: Check out our website. It’s easy to contact us through there.

Allen Hall: Is it borealiswind.com?

Daniela Roeper: BorealisWin. com or fabricair.com you can find us on either one.

Allen Hall: Nice, okay.

Daniela Roeper: You can find us through either email address,

Allen Hall: LinkedIn?

Daniela Roeper: And on LinkedIn. Okay. And we have some really cool icing videos on LinkedIn, if someone wants to check those out.

Allen Hall: I’ve seen some of that. They’re very good.

Daniela Roeper: Yeah, good. And send us an email and we will set you up.

Allen Hall: All right. Daniela, great to have you back on the podcast and we’ll run into you again.

But this is a sweet time for you. It’s winter time. Go get some

sales. This is awesome.

Daniela Roeper: And thank you for having me again. It’s a pleasure.

Joel Saxum: Absolutely.

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    for
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  • The program runs until 2030, but rebate amounts decrease each year. This means the earlier you install, the more
    you benefit.

The federal rebate is available to commercial
properties
as long as the system meets eligibility requirements.

3. State-Based Rebates & Incentives

State-level
incentives can stack
on top of federal support, giving commercial properties even more value:

  • NSW Peak Demand Reduction Scheme (PDRS) offers additional battery rebates and VPP connection bonus payments.
  • Victoria’s Business Renewables Fund and other local programs support larger solar and storage projects.
  • Queensland offers interest-free loans and targeted incentives.
  • South Australia’s Home Battery Scheme provides rebates for battery installations tied to smart energy networks.

However, these vary greatly by region, so businesses should talk with accredited installers and local energy agencies
to understand stacking opportunities.

4. Tax & Depreciation Benefits

Beyond rebates, commercial solar and storage investments can be tax-effective:

  • Immediate or accelerated depreciation on assets (subject to ATO rules) can produce valuable upfront tax
    deductions.
  • Solar + battery systems are treated as capital assets, which can accelerate the return on investment.

How to Choose the Right Solar & Battery System for Your Commercial Property?

Choosing the
right system
isn’t one-size-fits-all. Here’s a step-by-step guide for sizing and designing what you need.

Step 1: Energy Audit

Start with a detailed energy audit to understand daily and seasonal load patterns. This informs:

  • How much solar capacity do you need
  • What battery size makes sense for backup power

For instance, if you have a warehouse with high daytime loads, you might prioritise solar capacity. For an office
that uses power after hours, a larger battery makes more sense.

Step 2: Solar Panel Selection

Commercial systems range from tens to hundreds of kilowatts (kW). System options:

  • 20–100 kW rooftop systems for small-medium businesses
  • 100 kW and beyond for large facilities or multi-site portfolios

Larger arrays often qualify for LGCs (Large-scale Generation Certificates) if they exceed the STC threshold, which is
another way to reduce costs.

Step 3: Battery Sizing

Battery capacity is measured in kilowatt-hours (kWh). So, ask yourself:

  • Do you want to reduce peak demand charges?
  • Do you want emergency backup?
  • How many hours of stored power do you need?

A battery that is about 20–50% of peak demand can deliver strong savings, but your energy audit will help refine this
estimate.

Smart Management & VPP Integration

Did you know that nowadays most modern batteries are VPP-capable? This means they can join the Virtual Power Plant
network

This connection allows aggregated batteries to transmit stored energy into the grid at peak times for added value,
often with payments from network operators or utilities.

Also look for:

  • Energy management software to optimise usage.
  • Time-of-use tariff compatibility to shift power consumption into cheaper periods.

Commercial Solar in 2026: What the Financial Returns Look Like

Undoubtedly, commercial solar with battery storage isn’t just a green, sustainable solution; it’s financially savvy.

How? Let’s find out!

Reduced Energy Bills

Solar power offsets expensive grid power during daylight. Add batteries, and you reduce:

  • Peak demand charges
  • Night-time grid consumption

Savings vary by site, but on average, many businesses report reductions of 20–50% or more in annual energy spend.

Rebate Impact

Solar STCs can knock thousands off upfront costs. Battery rebates, especially in early 2026, are significant.

An 10kWh commercial battery could attract several thousand dollars in rebate support alone.

Payback Period

For many commercial setups, payback periods of 3 to 7 years are achievable, and tax benefits can further improve them.

In Australia, major tenants also value energy-independent buildings, supporting higher rental premiums.

Solar Panel Policies & Market Trends| What to Watch!

Honestly, understanding government policies and trends in the Australian energy market isn’t everyone’s cup of tea. It takes proper time and research to find your exact match.

So, here are key trends and cautions you should take into account while planning to install solar and battery storage in your property:

Rebate Step-Downs

Rebate values decrease every year through to 2030. Therefore, later installs receive less government support than earlier ones. So, timing matters; act fast.

Feed-In Tariffs Are Evolving

In Australia, state feed-in tariffs for exported solar vary widely and are under review.

In some states, such as Victoria, midday solar export credits have been proposed to drop sharply, making batteries for storing and using your own power even more valuable.

Installer Accreditation

To claim rebates, systems must be installed by accredited professionals and use certified equipment. This ensures compliance and warranty security.

Future Growth Forecast for Commercial Solar in 2030: What’s Next!

Australia’s energy landscape is changing fast. More renewables are coming onto the grid, batteries are becoming essential for keeping the system stable, and policymakers and market operators are rolling out new ways for distributed energy resources (DERs) to create value.

Therefore, solar paired with batteries is no longer just about generating power; it’s increasingly seen as a flexible asset that can support the grid when it’s needed most.

At the same time, commercial microgrids are gaining traction, with groups of buildings sharing solar and storage to boost reliability, cut energy costs, and better manage peak demand.

Taken together, these shifts are making commercial solar more valuable than ever, cementing its role as a key part of Australia’s move toward a smarter, more decentralised, and low-carbon energy system by 2030.

Final Thought | Why 2026 Is the Year to Act?

If you’re a commercial property owner, don’t worry much! In Australia in 2026, solar and battery storage isn’t just a sustainability project; it’s a strategic investment.

Also, with current government rebates, state incentives, and tax benefits, you can dramatically lower upfront costs while future-proofing your energy usage.

Plus, as grid export tariffs evolve and demand charges climb, the economics of self-generated and self-stored power only get stronger.

This is the moment when smart businesses make the leap not just to cut costs, but to take control of their energy future.

Wanna join this energy revolution? Contact Cyanergy, your most trusted partner, and win a free solar quote today!

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Morten Handberg Breaks Down Leading Edge Erosion

Morten Handberg, Uptime’s blade whisperer, returns to the show to tackle leading edge erosion. He covers the fatigue physics behind rain erosion, why OEMs offer no warranty coverage for it, how operators should time repairs before costs multiply, and what LEP solutions are working in the field.

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Allen Hall: Morten, welcome back to the program.

Morten Handberg: Thanks, Allen. It’s fantastic to be back on on, on the podcast. Really excited to, uh, record an episode on Erosion Today.

Allen Hall: Wow. Leading as erosion is such a huge worldwide issue and. Operators are having big problems with it right now. It does seem like there’s not a lot of information readily available to operators to understand the issue quite yet.

Morten Handberg: Well, it, I mean, it’s something that we’ve been looking at for the, at least the past 10 years. We started looking at it when I was in in DONG or as it back in 2014. But we also saw it very early on because we were in offshore environment, much harsher. Uh, rain erosion conditions, and you were also starting to change the way that the, the, uh, the coatings [00:01:00]that were applied.

So there was sort of a, there was several things at play that meant that we saw very early on, early on offshore.

Allen Hall: Well, let’s get to the basics of rain erosion and leading edge erosion. What is the physics behind it? What, what happens to the leading edges of these blades as rain? Impacts them.

Morten Handberg: Well, you should see it as um, millions of, of small fat, uh, small fatigue loads on the coating because each raindrop, it creates a small impact load on the blade.

It creates a rail wave that sort of creates a. Uh, share, share loads out on, uh, into the coating that is then absorbed by the coating, by the filler and and so on. And the more absorbent that your substrate is, the longer survivability you, you’re leading into coating will have, uh, if you have manufacturing defects in the coating, that will accelerate the erosion.

But it is a fatigue effect that is then accelerated or decelerate depending on, uh, local blade conditions.

Allen Hall: Yeah, what I’ve seen in the [00:02:00] field is the blades look great. Nothing. Nothing. You don’t see anything happening and then all of a sudden it’s like instantaneous, like a fatigue failure.

Morten Handberg: I mean, a lot of things is going on.

Uh, actually you start out by, uh, by having it’s, they call, it’s called mass loss and it’s actually where the erosion is starting to change the material characteristics of the coating. And that is just the first step. So you don’t see that. You can measure it in a, um, in the laboratory setting, you can actually see that there is a changing in, in the coating condition.

You just can’t see it yet. Then you start to get pitting, and that is these very, very, very small, almost microscopic chippings of the coating. They will then accelerate and then you start to actually see the first sign, which is like a slight, a braided surface. It’s like someone took a, a fine grain sandpaper across the surface of the plate, but you only see it on the leading edge.

If it’s erosion, it’s only on the center of the leading edge. That’s very important. If you see it on the sides and further down, then it’s, it’s [00:03:00] something else. Uh, it’s not pure erosion, but then you see this fine grain. Then as that progresses, you see more and more and more chipping, more and more degradation across the, the leading edge of the blade.

Worse in the tip of it, less so into the inner third of the blade, but it is a gradual process that you see over the leading edge. Finally, you’ll then start to see the, uh, the coating coming off and you’ll start to see exposed laminate. Um, and from there it can, it can accelerate or exposed filler or laminate.

From there, it can accelerate because. Neither of those are actually designed to handle any kind of erosion.

Allen Hall: What are the critical variables in relation to leading edge erosion? Which variables seem to matter most? Is it raindrop size? Is it tip speed? What factors should we be looking for?

Morten Handberg: Tip speeds and rain intensity.

Uh, obviously droplet size have an impact, but. But what is an operator you can actually see and monitor for is, well, you know, your tip speed of the blade that matters. Uh, but it is really the rain intensity. So if you have [00:04:00] sort of a, an average drizzle over the year, that’s a much better condition than if you have like, you know, showers in, in, in, in a, in a few hour sessions at certain points of time.

Because then, then it becomes an aggressive erosion. It’s not, it’s, you don’t, you get much higher up on the. On the, on the fatigue curve, uh, then if it’s just an average baseline load over long periods of time,

Allen Hall: yeah, that fatigue curve really does matter. And today we’re looking at what generally is called VN curves, velocity versus number of impacts, and.

The rain erosion facilities I’ve seen, I’ve been able to, to give some parameters to, uh, provide a baseline or a comparison between different kinds of coatings. Is is that the, the standard as everybody sees it today, the sort of the VN curve

Morten Handberg: that is what’s been developed by this scientific, uh, community, these VN curve, that that gives you some level of measure.

I would still say, you know, from what we can do in a rain erosion tester to what is then actually going on [00:05:00] the field is still very two very, very, very different things you can say. If you can survive a thousand hours in a rain erosion tester, then it’s the similar in the field that doesn’t really work like that.

But there are comparisons so you can do, you know, uh, a relationship study, uh, between them. And you can use the VN curves to determine the ERO erosion aggressiveness. Field. We did that in the bait defect forecasting that we did in wind pile up with DCU back in 2019, uh, where we actually looked at rain erosion across Europe.

Uh, and then the, uh, the actual erosion propagation that we saw within these different sites, both for offshore and for onshore, where we actually mapped out, um, across Europe, you know, which areas will be the most erosion prone. And then utilize that to, to then mo then, then to determine what would be the red, the best maintenance strategy and also, uh, erosion, uh, LEP, uh, solution for that wind farm.

Allen Hall: Oh, okay. Uh, is it raindrop size then, or just [00:06:00] quantity of raindrops? Obviously drizzle has smaller impact. There’s less mass there, but larger raindrops, more frequent rain.

Morten Handberg: If you have showers, it tends to be larger drops. Right. So, so they kind of follow each other. And if it’s more of a drizzle. It will be smaller raindrops.

They typically follow each other. You know, if you’ve been outside in a rainstorm before we just showered, you would have sense that these are, these are much higher, you know, raindrop sizes. So, so there is typically an a relation between raindrop size and then showers versus a drizzle. It’s typically more fine, fine grain rain drops.

Allen Hall: And what impact does dirt and debris mixed in with the rain, uh, affect leading edge erosion? I know a lot of, there’s a lot of concern. And farm fields and places where there’s a lot of plowing and turnover of the dirt that it, it, it does seem like there’s more leading edge erosion and I, I think there’s a little bit of an unknown about it, uh, just because they see leading edge [00:07:00]erosion close to these areas where there’s a lot of tilling going on.

Is it just dirt impact worth a blade or is it a combination of dirt plus rain and, and those two come combining together to make a worse case. Uh, damage scenario.

Morten Handberg: Technically it would be slightly worse than if it were, if there is some soil or, or sand, or sand contamination in the raindrops. But I mean, logically rain typically, you know, comes down from the sky.

It doesn’t, you know, it doesn’t mix in with the dirt then, you know, it would be more if you have dirt on the blades. It’s typically during a dry season where it would get mixed up and then blown onto the blades. Honestly, I don’t think that that is really what’s having an impact, because having contamination in the blade is not something that is, that would drive erosion.

I think that that is, I think that is, that is a misunderstanding. We do see sand, sand erosion in some part of the world where you have massive, uh, sand, uh, how do you say, sandstorms [00:08:00] coming through and, and that actually creates an, an abrasive wear on the plate. It looks different from rain erosion because it’s two different mechanisms.

Uh, where the sand is actually like a sandpaper just blowing across the surface, so you can see that. Whereas rain is more of this fatigue effect. So I think in the, theoretically if you had soil mixed in with rain, yes that could have an impact because you would have an a, a hardened particle. But I do, I don’t think it’s what’s driving erosion, to be honest.

Allen Hall: Okay, so then there’s really two different kinds of failure modes. A particle erosion, which is more of an abrasive erosion, which I would assume be a maybe a little wider, spread along the leading edge of the blade versus a fatigue impact from a raindrop collision. They just look different, right?

Morten Handberg: Yeah, so, so sand erosion you could have spreading across a larger surface of the blade because it, because it doesn’t bounce off in the same way that a raindrop would, you know, because that’s more of an impact angle and the load that it’s applying.

So if it comes in at a, at a st [00:09:00] at a, um, at the, at the, at a, at a steep angle, then it would just bounce off because the amount of load that it’s impacting on would be very limited. So that’s also why we don’t really see it on the, um, uh, outside of the leading edge. Whereas sand erosion would have a, would, would have a different effect because even at a steep angle, it would still, you know, create some kind of wear because of the hardened particle and the effect of that.

Allen Hall: Okay. So let’s talk about incubation period, because I’ve seen a lot of literature. Talking about incubation period and, and what that means. What does incubation period mean on a leading edge coating?

Morten Handberg: So that is, that, that is from when you start having the first impacts until you get the, the, the change in structure.

So when you get to the mass loss or first pitting, that would be your incubation period, because that is from when it starts until you can see the actual effects. Would say that, that that is what would be defined as the incubation period of leading into erosion.

Allen Hall: Okay. So you wanna then maximize the incubation period where the coating still looks mostly pristine [00:10:00] once incubation period is over and you get into the coating.

Are there different rates at which the coatings will deteriorate, or are they all pretty much deteriorating at roughly the same rate?

Morten Handberg: I mean, for the really high durability. We don’t really have good enough data to say anything about whether the, um, the, the period after the incubation period, whether that would actually, how that would work in the field.

We don’t really know that yet. I would say, because the, um, some of the, the shell solutions, some of the high end polyurethane coatings, if they fail, typically it’s because of workmanship. Or adhesion issues. It’s has so far not really been tied in directly in, into leading edge erosion. Uh, the ones that I’ve seen, so typically, and, and, you know, all of these high-end coatings, they’re just, they, they have shown, you know, some of them you couldn’t even wear down in a rain erosion tester.

Um, so, so we don’t really know. Um, how, [00:11:00] how the, how the shells, they would, they, they, they, they, how they would react over the five, 10 year period because we haven’t seen that much yet. And what we have seen have been more of a mechanical failure in, in the bonding

Allen Hall: that, I guess that makes sense. Then operators are still buying wind turbine blades without any leading edge coating at all.

It is basically a painted piece of fiberglass structure. Is that still advisable today or are there places where you could just get away with that? Or is that just not reality because of the tip speeds?

Morten Handberg: For the larger, I would say anything beyond two megawatt turbines, you should have leading edge protection because you’re at tip speeds where, you know, any kind of rain would create erosion within, um, within the lifetime of the late.

That is just a fact. Um, so. I don’t, I don’t see any real areas of the world where that would not apply. And if it, if you are in a place where it’s really dry, then it would typically also mean that then you would have sand erosion. Is that, that, [00:12:00] that would, I would expect that it would be one of the two.

You wouldn’t be in an area where it couldn’t get any kind of erosion to the blades. Um, so either you should have either a very tough gel code, um, coating, or you should have have an LEP per urethane based coating. On the blades,

Allen Hall: well do the manufacturers provide data on the leading edge offerings, on the coatings, or even the harder plastic shells or shields.

Does, is there any information? If I’m an operator and I’m buying a a three megawatt turbine that comes along with the blade that says, this is the li, this is the estimated lifetime, is that a thing right now? Or is it just We’re putting on a coating and we are hoping for the best?

Morten Handberg: The OEMs, as far as I, I haven’t seen any.

Any contract or agreement where today, where erosion is not considered a wear and tear issue, there is simply no, no coverage for it. So if you buy a turbine and there’s any kind of leading [00:13:00] edge erosion outside of the end of warranty period, it’s your your problem. There is no guarantee on that.

Allen Hall: So the operator is at risk,

Morten Handberg: well, they’re at risk and if they don’t take matters into their own hands and make decisions on their own.

But they would still be locked in because within the warranty period, they will still be tied to the OEM and the decisions that they make. And if they have a service agreement with the OEM, then they would also be tied in with what the OEM provides.

Allen Hall: So that does place a lot of the burden on the owner operator to understand the effects of rate erosion, particularly at the at a new site if they don’t have any history on it at all.

To then try to identify a, a coating or some sort of protecting device to prevent leading edge erosion. ’cause at the end of the day, it does sound like the operator owner is gonna be responsible for fixing it and keeping the blades, uh, in some aerodynamic shape. That that’s, that’s a big hurdle for a lot of operators.

Morten Handberg: The problem is that if you have a service [00:14:00]contract, but you are depending on the OEM, providing that service. Then you have to be really certain that any leading edge erosion or anywhere on the leading edge is then covered by that contract. Otherwise, you’re in, you’re in a really bad, you’re in a really risky situation because you can’t do anything on your own.

Because if you’re a service contract, but you’re beholden to whatever the, your service provider is, is, is agreeing to providing to you. So you might not get the best service.

Allen Hall: And what are the risks of this? Uh, obviously there can be some structural issues. Particularly around the tips of the blaze, but that’s also power loss.

What are typical power loss numbers?

Morten Handberg: Well, there is a theoretically theoretical power loss to it, but for any modern turbine, the blade, the, the turbine would simply regulate itself out of any leading erosion loss. So, so the blades would just change their behavior that the turbine would just change, its its operation [00:15:00]conditions so that it would achieve the same lift to the blade.

So. Uh, any study that we have done or been a part of, uh, even, you know, comparing blades that were repaired, blades that were cleaned, blades that were, uh, left eroded, and then operating the, uh, the deviation was within half, half percent and that was within the margin of error. We couldn’t read, we couldn’t see it even for really, you know, really er road blades.

Of course there is different between turbines. Some turbines, they, they could show it, but I haven’t seen any data that suggests that erosion actually leads to a lot of power loss. There is a theoretical loss because there is a loss in aerodynamic performance, but because blades today they’re pitch controlled, then you can, you can regulate yourself out of that.

Some of that, uh, power laws,

Allen Hall: so the control laws in the turbine. Would know what the wind speeds are and what their power output should be, and it’ll adjust the [00:16:00]pitch of each of the blades sort of independently to, to drive the power output.

Morten Handberg: Typically, erosion is a uniform issue, so what happens on one blade happens on three.

So it’s rare to see that one blade is just completely erod in the two other they look fine. That’s really rare unless you start, you know, doing uh, abnormal repairs on them. Then you might get something. But even then, I mean, we’re not talking, you know, 10 per 10 degrees in, in variation. You know, it’s not, it’s not anything like that.

It’s very small changes. And if they would do a lot of weird DA, you know, uh, different angles, you would get instant imbalance and then, you know, you would get scatter alarm. So, so you would see that quite fast.

Allen Hall: Well, let me, let me just understand this just a little bit. So what the control logs would do would increase the pitch angle of the blaze, be a little more aggressive.

On power production to bring the power production up. If leading edge erosion was knocking it down a percentage point or two, does that have a consequence? Are like when you [00:17:00] start pitching the blades at slightly different angles, does that increase the area where rain erosion will occur? Is like, are you just.

Keep chasing this dragon by doing that,

Morten Handberg: you could change the area a little bit, but it’s not, it’s not something that, that changes the erosion, uh, that the erosion zone, that that much. It’s very minimal. Um, and one, one of the, another, another reason why, why you might see it might, might not see it as much is because voltage generator panels is widely used in the industry today.

And, and Vortex panel, they are. Uh, negating some of the negative effect from, uh, leading erosion. So that also adds to the effect that there, that the aerodynamic effect of leading erosion is limited, uh, compared to what we’ve seen in the past.

Allen Hall: Okay. So there’s a couple manufacturers that do use vortex generators around the tip, around the leading edge erosion areas right outta the factory, and then there’s other OEMs that don’t do that at all.

Is, is there a benefit to [00:18:00] having the VGs. Right out of the factory. Is that, is that just to, uh, as you think about the power output of the generator over time, like, this is gonna gimme a longer time before I have to do anything. Is, is in terms of repair,

Morten Handberg: it does help you if you have contamination of the blade.

It does help you if you have surface defects off the blade. That, that any, uh, any change to the air, to the aerodynamics is, is reduced and that’s really important if you have an optimized blade. Then the negative effect of leading erosion might get, uh, you know, might, might, might get, might get affected.

But there are, there are still reasons why I do want to do leading erosion repairs. You should do that anyway, even if you can’t see it on your power curve or not, because if you wait too long, you’ll start to get structural damages to the blade. As we talked about last time. It’s not that leading edge erosion will turn into a critical damage right away, but if you need, if you go into structural erosion, then the, then the cost of damage.

The cost of repairing the damage will multiply. Uh, [00:19:00] and at, at a certain point, you know, you will get a re structure. It might not make the blade, you know, uh, cost a, a condition where the blade could collapse or you’re at risk, but you do get a weakened blade that is then susceptible to damage from other sources.

Like if you have a lighting strike damage or you have a heavy storm or something like that, then that can accelerate the damage, turning it into a critical damage. So you should still keep your leading edge in, in shape. If you want to do to, to minimize your cost, you should still repair it before it becomes structural.

Allen Hall: Okay. So the blades I have seen where they actually have holes in the leading edge, that’s a big problem just because of contamination and water ingress and yeah, lightning obviously be another one. So that should be repaired immediately. Is is that the, do we treat it like a cat four or cat five when that happens?

Or how, what? How are we thinking about that?

Morten Handberg: Maximum cat, cat four, even, even in those circumstances because it is a, it is a severe issue, but it’s not critical on, on its own. So I would not treat it as a cat five where you need to stop [00:20:00] the turbine, stuff like that. Of course, you do want, you don’t want to say, okay, let’s wait on, let’s wait for a year or so before we repair it.

You know, do plan, you know, with some urgency to get it fixed, but it’s not something where you need to, you know, stubble works and then get that done. You know, the blade can survive it for, for a period of time, but you’re just. Susceptible to other risks, I would say.

Allen Hall: Alright. So in in today’s world, there’s a lot of options, uh, to select from in terms of leading edge protection.

What are some of the leading candidates? What, what are some of the things that are actually working out in the field?

Morten Handberg: What we typically do, uh, when we’re looking at leading edge erosion, we’re looking at the, the raw data from the wind farm. Seeing how, how bad is it and how long have the wind farm been operated without being repaired?

So we get a sense of the aggressiveness of the erosion and. Um, if we have reliable weather data, we can also do some modeling to see, okay, what is the, what is the, the, uh, environmental conditions? Also, just to get a sense, is this [00:21:00] material driven fatigue or is it actually rain erosion driven fatigue?

Because if the, if the coating quality was not, was not very good, if the former lead leading edge, it was not applied very, very, very good, then, you know, you still get erosion really fast. You get surface defects that, uh, that trigger erosion. So that’s very important to, to, to have a look at. But then when we’ve established that, then we look at, okay, where do we have the, the, the, uh, the structural erosion zone?

So that means in what, in what part of the BA would you be at risk of getting structural damage? That’s the part where that you want to protect at all costs. And in that, I would look at either shell solution or high duty, um, put urethane coating something that has a a long durability. But then you also need to look at, depending on whether you want to go for coating or shell, you need to look at what is your environmental condition, what is your, you know, yeah.

Your environmental conditions, because you also wanna apply it without it falling off again. Uh, and if you have issues with [00:22:00] high humidity, high temperatures, uh, then a lot of the coatings will be really difficult to process or, you know, to, to. Uh, to handle in the field. And, you know, and if you don’t, if you don’t get that right, then you just might end up with a lot of peeling coating or uh, peeling shells.

Um, so it’s very important to understand what is your environmental conditions that you’re trying to do repairs in. And that’s also why we try not to recommend, uh, these shell repairs over the entire, out a third of the blade. Because you’re, you’re just putting up a lot of risk for, for, uh, for detaching blades if you put on too high, um, uh, how do you say, high height, sea of solutions.

Allen Hall: Yeah. So I, I guess it does matter how much of the blade you’re gonna cover. Is there a general rule of thumb? Like are we covering the outer 10%, outer 20%? What is the. What is that rule of thumb?

Morten Handberg: Typically, you know, you, you get a long way by somewhere between the outer four to six meters. Um, so that would [00:23:00]probably equivalate to the, out of the outer third.

That would likely be something between the outer 10 to 15 to 20% at max. Um, but, but it is, I, I mean, instead of looking at a percentage, I usually look at, okay, what can we see from the data? What does that tell us? And we can see that from the progression of the erosion. Because you can clearly see if you have turbines that’s been operating, what part of the blade has already, you know, exposed laminate.

And where do you only have a light abrasion where you only have a light abrasion, you can just continue with, and with the, with, with the general coating, you don’t need to go for any high tier solutions. And that’s also just to avoid applying, applying something that is difficult to process because it will just end up, that it falls off and then you’re worse off than, than before actually.

Allen Hall: Right. It’s about mitigating risk at some level. On a repair,

Morten Handberg: reducing repair cost. Um, so, so if you, if you look at your, your conditions of your blades and then select a solution that is, that is right for that part of [00:24:00] the blade

Allen Hall: is the best way to repair a blade up tower or down tower is what is the easiest, I guess what’s easier, I know I’ve heard conflicting reports about it.

A lot of people today, operators today are saying we can do it up tower. It’s, it’s pretty good that way. Then I hear other operators say, no, no, no, no, no. The quality is much better if the blade is down on the ground. What’s the recommendation there?

Morten Handberg: In general, it can be done up tower. Um, it is correct if you do a down tower, the quality is better, but that, that, that means you need to have a crane on standby to swap out blades.

Uh, and you should have a spare set of blades that you can swap with. Maybe that can work. Um. But I would say in general, the, your, your, your, your cheaper solution and your more, you know, you know, uh, would be to do up tower. And if, and again, if you do your, your, your homework right and, and selecting the right, uh, products for, for your [00:25:00] local environments, then you can do up tower then leading it, erosion.

Not something that you need to, you should not need to consider during a down tower. Unless you are offshore in an environment where you only have, uh, 10 repair days per year, then you might want to look at something else. But again, if we talk for offs for onshore, I would, I would always go for up, up tower.

I, I don’t, I don’t really see the need for, for, for taking the blades down.

Allen Hall: So what is the optimum point in a blaze life where a leading edge coating should be applied? Like, do you let it get to the point where you’re doing structural repairs or. When you start to see that first little bit of chipping, do you start taking care of it then there I, there’s gotta be a sweet spot somewhere in the middle there.

Where is that?

Morten Handberg: There is sweet spot. So the sweet spot is as soon as you have exposed laminate, because from exposed laminate, uh, the repair cost is exactly the same as if it was just, you know, uh, a light abrasion of the coating because the, the, the time to, to, um, prepare the [00:26:00] surface to apply the coating is exactly the same.

From, you know, from, from, from light surface damage to exposed laminate. That is the same, that is the same repair cost. But as soon as you have a structural damage to your blade, then you have to do a structural repair first, and then you’re, you’re multiplying the repair time and your repair cost. So that is the right point in time.

The way to, to determine when that is, is to do inspections, annual inspections, if you do 10% of your wind farm per year. Then you would know why, what, how the rest of your wind farm looks like because erosion is very uniform across the wind farm. Maybe there are some small deviations, but if you do a subset, uh, then, then you would have a good basic understanding about what erosion is.

You don’t need to do a full sweep of the, of the wind farm to know, okay, now is my right time to do repairs.

Allen Hall: Okay, so you’re gonna have a, a couple years notice then if you’re doing drone inspections. Hopefully you put, as you put your blades up, doing a drone inspection maybe on the ground so you [00:27:00] have a idea of what you have, and then year one, year two, year three, you’re tracking that progression across at least a sampling of the wind farm.

And then, then you can almost project out then like year five, I need to be doing something and I need to be putting it into my budget.

Morten Handberg: When you start to see the first minor areas of exposed laminate. Then the year after, typically then you would have a larger swat of, of laminated exposure, still not as structural.

So when you start to see that, then I would say, okay, next year for next year’s budget, we should really do repairs. It’s difficult when you just direct the wind farm, maybe have the first year of inspection. It’s difficult to get any, any kind of, you know, real sense of what is the, you know, what is the where of scale that we have.

You can be off by a factor of two or three if, you know, if, um, so I would, I would give it a few years and then, uh, then, then, then see how things progresses before starting to make, uh, plans for repairs. If you [00:28:00] don’t have any leading edge erosion protection installed from the start. I would say plan, at least for year, year five, you should expect that you need to go out, do and do a repair.

Again, I don’t have a crystal ball for every, you know, that’s good enough to predict for every wind farm in the world, but that would be a good starting point. Maybe it’s year three, maybe it’s year seven, depending on your local conditions. That is, but then at least you know that you need to do something.

Allen Hall: Well, there’s been a number of robotic, uh, applications of rain erosion coatings. Over the last two, three years. So now you see several different, uh, repair companies offering that. What does the robotic approach have to its advantage versus technicians on ropes?

Morten Handberg: Obviously robots, they don’t, they don’t, uh, get affected by how good the morning coffee was, what the latest conversation with the wife was, or how many hours of sleep it got.

There is something to, with the grown operator, uh, you know how good they are. But it’s more about how well, uh, [00:29:00] adjusted the, the controls of the, of the, the robot or the drone is in its application. So in principle, the drone should be a lot better, uh, because you can, it will do it the right, the same way every single time.

What it should at least. So in, so in principle, if you, you, you, when we get there, then the leading it then, then the robot should be, should outmatch any repair technician in, in the world. Because repair technician, they’re really good. They’re exceptionally good at what they do. The, the, the far majority of them, but they’re, they’re still people.

So they, you know, anyone, you know, maybe standing is not a hundred percent each time, maybe mixing of. Um, of materials and they’re much better at it than I am. So no question there. But again, that’s just real reality. So I would say that the, the, the draw, the robots, they should, uh, they should get to a point at some, at some point to that they will, they will be the preferable choice, especially for this kind of, this kind of repair.

Allen Hall: What should [00:30:00] operators be budgeting to apply a coating? Say they’re, you know, they got a new wind farm. It’s just getting started. They’re gonna be five years out before they’re gonna do something, but they, they probably need to start budgeting it now and, and have a scope on it. ’cause it’s gonna be a capital campaign probably.

How much per turbine should they be setting aside?

Morten Handberg: I would just, as a baseline, at least set aside 20,000 per per blade

Allen Hall: dollars or a Corona

Morten Handberg: dollars.

Allen Hall: Really. Okay.

Morten Handberg: Assuming that you actually need to do a repair campaign, I would say you’re probably ending up in that region again. I can be wrong with by a factor of, you know, uh, by several factors.

Uh, but, um, but I would say that as a starting point, we don’t know anything else. I would just say, okay, this should be the, the, the, the budget I would go for, maybe it’ll be only 10 because we have a lesser campaign. Maybe it will be twice because we have severe damages. So we need just to, to, to source a, um, a high end, uh, LEP solution.

Um, so, so [00:31:00] again, that would just be my starting point, Alan. It’s not something that I can say with accuracy that will go for every single plate, but it would be a good starting point.

Allen Hall: Well, you need to have a number and you need to be, get in the budget ahead of time. And so it, it’s a lot easier to do upfront than waiting till the last minute always.

Uh, and it is the future of leading edge erosion and protection products. Is it changing? Do you see, uh, the industry? Winning this battle against erosion.

Morten Handberg: I see it winning it because we do have the technology, we do have the solutions. So I would say it’s compared to when we started looking at it in 14, where, you know, we had a lot of erosion issues, it seems a lot more manageable.

Now, of course, if you’re a, if you’re a new owner, you just bought a wind farm and you’re seeing this for this first time, it might not be as manageable. But as an, as an industry, I would say we’re quite far. In understanding erosion, what, how it develops and what kind of solutions that that can actually, uh, withstand it.

We’re still not there in [00:32:00] terms of, uh, quality in, in repairs, but that’s, um, but, but, uh, I, I think technology wise, we are, we are in a really good, good place.

Allen Hall: All the work that has been done by DTU and RD test systems for creating a rain erosion test. Facility and there’s several of those, more than a dozen spread around the world at this point.

Those are really making a huge impact on how quickly the problem is being solved. Right? Because you’re just bringing together the, the, the brain power of the industry to work on this problem.

Morten Handberg: They have the annual erosion Symposium and that has been really a driving force and also really put DTU on the map in terms of, uh, leading edge erosion, understanding that, and they’re also trying to tie, tie it in with lightning, uh, because, uh.

If you have a ro, if you have erosion, that changes your aerodynamics. That in fact changes how your LPS system works. So, so there is also some, some risks in that, uh, that is worth considering when, when, when discussing [00:33:00]repairs. But I think these of you, they’ve done a tremendous amount of work and r and d system have done a lot of good work in terms of standardizing the way that we do rain erosion testing, whether or not we can then say with a hundred uncertainty that this, uh, this test will then match with.

With, um, how say local environment conditions, that’s fine, but we can at least test a DP systems on, on the same scale and then use that to, to, to look at, well how, how good would they then ferry in in the, um, out out in the real world.

Allen Hall: Yeah, there’s a lot too leading edge erosion and there’s more to come and everybody needs to be paying attention to it.

’cause it, it is gonna be a cost during the lifetime of your wind turbines and you just need to be prepared for it. Mor how do people get ahold of you to learn more about leading edge erosion and, and some of the approaches to, to control it?

Morten Handberg: Well, you can always re reach me, uh, on my email, meh, at wind power.com or on my LinkedIn, uh, page and I would strongly advise, you know, reach out if you have any concerns regarding erosion or you need support with, um, [00:34:00] uh, with blade maintenance strategies, uh, we can definitely help you out with that.

Or any blade related topic that you might be concerned about for your old local wind farm.

Allen Hall: Yes. If you have any blade questions or leading edge erosion questions, reach out to Morton. He’s easy to get ahold of. Thank you so much for being back on the podcast. We love having you. It

Morten Handberg: was fantastic being here.

Cheers. A.

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