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1 year ago

April 26, 2025

Alice Rush

Weather Guard Lightning Tech

Ørsted Offshore Cost Reduction, Automation in Wind

In this episode, we discuss Ørsted’s new report proposing a 30% reduction in offshore wind energy costs by 2040, and explore the potential role of automation in wind energy manufacturing. Plus a reminder to register for the next SkySpecs webinar, focused on turbine repair trends and best practices. And the La Joya Wind Farm in New Mexico is our wind farm of the week!

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Speaker: [00:00:00] You are listening to the Uptime Wind Energy Podcast brought to you by build turbines.com. Learn, train, and be a part of the Clean Energy Revolution. Visit build turbines.com today. Now, here’s your host. Allen Hall, Joel Saxon, Phil Totaro, and Rosemary Barnes.

Allen Hall: Well, you won’t want to miss the next SkySpecs webinar, which is on April 30th at 11:00 AM Eastern Time us Which Joel, that’s like, uh, it’s like 5:00 PM Denmark time, right?

Roughly.

Joel Saxum: Mm. Mm-hmm.

Allen Hall: Yeah. And this is the second webinar in the joint series with Uptime and PES Wind. This edition features industry leading repair vendors and discusses the latest trends, challenges, and innovations, shaping the turbine repair landscape. Now this is who schedule to appear. Sheryl Weinstein, principal blade engineer with SkySpecs and.

If anybody knows Sheryl she knows Blades. This is [00:01:00] somebody you want to pay attention to. Alice Lyon, owner and CEO of Lyon technical access. Uh. Really knowledgeable about Blades. Craig Guthrie, who I’ve known for a long time now, director of Blade Service at Takkion and Jose Israel Mejia Rodriguez, who’s director of engineering at RNWBL.

And if you’ve worked with renewable, uh, they do a terrific job keeping turbines up and running. So this discussion will be, uh, talking about best practices for operators and owners and repair teams. But so just, there’s a lot of confusion at times on, on how to. Keep your organization running smoothly.

Well, these experts are gonna be giving you a, a lot of good advice and how to source repair vendors and, and how to evaluate vendors and get certifications and safety records, which are getting more and more critical as the season goes on. So you won’t wanna miss this. April 30th, 11:00 AM Eastern us.

Click the link in the show notes [00:02:00] below to to register for that event and tell a friend, because this is gonna be a, a great webinar. Ørsted has released a significant new report titled Offshore Wind at a Crossroads, and you can go on Google and download this document. It’s, it’s a pretty thick white paper and it examines the current state of the European offshore wind industry.

And Rosemary and I were just over in Copenhagen. We saw. A lot of the offshore wind industry at the Wind Europe event. Now the report focuses on the urgent need to revitalize Europe’s offshore wind industry, and it outlines the policies and industry action required to unlock investment and stabilize some of the costs and accelerate the deployment of offshore wind at.

There are a number of highlights in this. The one of them or two of them, let’s go with the big ones, which is, um, Ørsted proposed a joint commitment between the governments and industry to auction at least 10 gigawatts of CFD capacity over the next 10 years. So [00:03:00] 10 gigawatts per year over the next 10 years, which would be a hundred gigawatts plus another five that would be for c corporate offtake.

So like a PPA, uh, sort of situation. And for doing this, with that commitment, the, the industry would then mobilize investment to try to lower the levelized cost of energy by 30% by 2040. And my first thought was, boy, that’s a pretty good trade off. If, if I’m a. You know, any country in Europe, 30 percent’s a lot because the, the existing CFD prices are in the 90 euros per megawatt hour.

And then we’re gonna try to drop them into the sixties, seventies, uh, by 2040. And, um, my first thought no one was gonna talk to all you today was, is this possible you think they can get a 30% reduction by 2040 in the levelized cost of energy for offshore wind? Some of that coming [00:04:00] from lower cost of access or easier access to cash, which hopefully if interest rates comes down, that will happen.

The other one is just getting better at what they’re doing. Is that something that we can lower the price down that much by 30% by 2040?

Phil Totaro: Well, yeah, they, they target two areas in, in this report that they talk about, uh, reduced cost capital being, you know, 15% of it approximately, and the other 15% being, as you mentioned, like what they’re calling accelerated learning curve.

Um, which is really just, you know, um, what do we used to call that? Economies of scale, uh. You know, effectively, like getting familiar with the manufacturing process around certain things and, and being able to, uh, get cost efficiencies out of, um, you know, uh, wasted, um, manufacturing process or, um. You know, wasted materials and, and things like that as well.

So the [00:05:00] short answer is I don’t know that it’s gonna be 30%, and I, I would actually forecast that the reduced cost of capital will probably be more than 15%. So you may get there, uh, and you know, you might get to 30% reduction just on cost of capital alone, but at the end of the day, yeah, I mean, this isn’t anything revolutionary here.

Um, uh, so. Yeah, it’s, it’s certainly possible to be able to achieve that, especially by a time timeframe like 2040. But we also don’t know what’s gonna happen, uh, you know, in, in the global economic situation between now and then. You know, it’s, that’s 15 years away, 14 years away, and there’s, there’s some black swan event that’s still out there yet to happen that can, you know, throw us into a global recession or, or also into global growth.

So. We’ll see.

Rosemary Barnes: Black Swan is such a weird phrase for an Australian because all swans here are black, and so [00:06:00]

Joel Saxum: the last person that used that with me was an Australian. I think that, I think there’s a couple of things you can think about here though too. If what this is calling for, what this report is calling for is stability within the industry.

We want stability. We want to have more growth. We want to have more opportunity. We want to, we want a market and a power producing industry for off offshore wind that is stable and can drive investment. It can take investment, but if you get to that stage, you’re also gonna bring in more competition.

That’s good. So if it’s a stable space and more people can enter it to, to work in it, then you’re going to more Competition usually drives prices down, whether that’s vessel manufacturers or suppliers or you know, blade repair companies or drone inspections, whatever that may be. More competition usually drops that price and at the same time.

You know, ever since I’ve been in the win industry, it’s been really exciting about how we treat innovation. There’s a lot of people working on a lot of things. And if in the next 15 years innovation, the whole point of innovation is to drive prices down [00:07:00] or to, you know, to save money here, save money there.

So I think that more competition in a stable market, more money coming into innovation in a stable market, um, you know, this is outside of what Phil’s thoughts that are completely correct on, you know, financing coming down and, and cost. I think that those things could drive, uh, an LCOE down, down, down, down, down.

Um. It’s that economy of scale. It’s that once we’re here, we’re ready to roll, we can do these things.

Rosemary Barnes: I might kind of disagree with Joel, but probably at its essence not, not fully disagree. I think that, uh, definitely. I mean, it’s not, it’s not actually a huge reduction over 15 years, right? Like if you look at the previous curves of cost reductions, uh, it’s, you know, it’s, it’s not gonna, it’s not gonna even continue that trend.

But I do think that the recent trend. Up until a couple of years ago, the trend for wind energy’s price reductions was too, too steep, artificially steep, and I think driven by like, excessive competition or like a weird, a weird [00:08:00] kind of competition, um, with maybe too much innovation in a sense. So I think that more of the same of that is, is not the right kind of kind of innovation.

I think what what we need is to have, uh, a few, a few products available. Definitely you need some competition, but. Companies need to be able to make enough enough turbines from the one platform to have a secure pipeline of project. Then you get the kinds of innovation that maybe don’t immediately seem like innovation but aren’t nonetheless, you know, like just little learnings on how to improve cycle times, little learnings on how to improve quality.

You know, just tiny little. Engineering innovations, manufacturing innovations that just have time to build up, have time to repay all of the, you know, like you need a lot of engineering to make a new, a new product, an offshore wind product, reliable and cheap. And you need, uh, enough units made to repay that investment because when you’re just constantly like a new platform, every year we’re [00:09:00] going bigger.

Two years later, we’ve got a bigger wind turbine and two years after that, we’ve got another bigger one. It’s not enough time to make enough wind turbines to repay the engineering investment.

Joel Saxum: And I think Rosemary, I’m, I’m, I’m, I agree with you a hundred percent on that component, and I, where my point was more driven, and I should have said this was more innovation in o and m.

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah,

Joel Saxum: like I’m thinking an operation of wind farms is my, my take on innovation is more innovation in the operations and maintenance. How can we do this better, faster, more efficiently with robotics or whatever that may be. And so that’s where I was going with it, rather than on the development or OEM side.

Allen Hall: But o and m is downstream of OEM. And getting the OEM to deliver a high quality product is the key here. Rosemary, give me a rough estimate on a new development cycle versus continual improvement engineering staff. What is that ratio? Is it 10 to one? When you’re developing a new turbine, you need say, a hundred engineers to sustain it and make it better.

Do you need 10? [00:10:00] You need 20, you need 30. What is that relative number? Because that’s where a lot of savings is gonna happen really is. Reducing the staff and getting more into the manufacturing and focusing there, right?

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. I mean, it would be a total stab in the dark based on my personal experience.

Probably not totally representative, but it does it, it varies so much from product to product, depending on what kinds of innovations. That you’ve got senior management at engineering companies. Love, love to think that the, you know, like lower level engineers, project managers are just, you know, just like to complain and, um, are too risk averse and all that sort of thing.

But US engineers, you know, back in 20 16, 17, 18, like we, we were right. It was too fast. And the, you know, the, um. Too fast for the amount of engineering support, and we see quality problems now. So I just think like if the industry can’t take another, we will get through this, this crunch now with increased quality problems, increased warranty costs.

We’ll, we’ll, the industry will get through it, but [00:11:00] you can’t have another, another cycle again in five years time from that, you know, like we, you need time to consolidate and rebuild trust in the industry and in the technology. I think in the West we, um, misunderstand what counts as innovation to think it’s only scientists in labs that are, you know, innovating.

It’s only those eureka moments of a new, a new cell chemistry or a new battery chemistry. That’s what counts as innovation. But if you look at the cost reduction, actually. Most cost reduction comes from those like small, boring manufacturing innovations. Um, and not just with manufacturing the project, uh, the product itself, either, you know, um, innovations in terms of.

Uh, you know, installing, installing wind farms, um, and yeah, innovations in, in operating them more effectively can make a huge difference. Innovations in pro, um, in project financing as well can have a, a really big effect. Like Phil mentioned, like the finance cost is one of the easiest or most likely ways that we’ll see cost reductions actually.

So [00:12:00] yeah, we need to broaden our thinking on what kind of innovation that we need. I think

Allen Hall: I wanna take a quick break here, and when I come back I want to understand how. More European supplied components that is obviously gonna happen over the next couple of years, are gonna be able to support this 30% reduction in the LCOE.

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Visit OGs ping.com and take control of your turbine’s health today. Alright, we’re back. So the dis Rosemary just led a really good discussion about the the ways and methods that LCOE is going to get lowered on offshore wind in Europe. [00:13:00] One of the sticking points I think, though, is there’s gonna be more emphasis on building more components within Europe, which has a higher cost structure.

Can the European manufacturers Vestas, Siemens GAA push down prices if they bring more. Of the components, uh, from Europe, instead of having so many produced in China or in India or wherever they’re gonna be produced at, I, I do feel like there’s gonna be a big push to make some of these things in Europe.

Is that gonna offset the savings are making on the installation and the design improvements? Is there, is there a

Phil Totaro: way to do it, Phil? Potentially, but only with reductions in labor cost. Which, you know, in, you know, we’ve, we’ve talked on the show before about, you know, unionized labor around the world, but I mean, Europe has probably some of the most [00:14:00] heavily regulated, um.

A and, and largest overhead associated with, you know, their, their kind of unionized labor there. Um, so unless they’re going to soften on, on that side of things and find ways to reduce overhead, the short answer is no. The second element of this is raw material costs, which is where we could still leverage.

And, and I’ve talked about this on the show a number of times, we could leverage raw materials from China, raw materials from other places around the world. Um. You know, in exchange for, you know, you know, reductions on tariffs for steel imports, uh, in exchange for more access to, you know, the European market.

Um, and I’ve said that about the United States as well. It’s like, all right, well if the Chinese wanna come over here, they can, but they’ve gotta give us more rare earth elements, uh, you know, to processed rare earth elements. They’ve gotta lift their quotas. So it’s, it’s gotta be something [00:15:00] like that. Um, those would be really the two easiest scenarios to, to get to, um, a production cost in Europe that would be comparable to what people could get in, in India or China.

But without that, I, I don’t see what incentive companies have to re domesticate production.

Allen Hall: Is automation going to play a part in that? Uh, when we were over in, uh, wind Europe, uh, there was a big, uh, celebration between EMAC and Windar. Pivot Mac makes the automated welding machines that are welding really thick steel plate together to make foundations and towers super complicated things, but it’s automated and to, to roll the steel.

Not easy things to do, but it’s automated and it really lowers the cost down and, and making towers when they use these automated tools, these computer controlled tools, is that where the industry’s gonna go? That. We’re gonna see more automation, [00:16:00] more robotics, more um, AI kind of technology thrown at these problems to lower the cost of these parts down?

Rosemary Barnes: I think so. And we’re talking a 15 year timeframe as well. It’s one of the things like with wind industry, that the whole time that I was. Um, looking at a manufacturer, you know, like automation is, um, is coming, is was being introduced to every, every kind of industry. But e everybody in the wind industry was like, oh, we can’t automate wind energy.

We tried and it didn’t work. And that, yeah, we, we, you know, we wasted, I dunno, 10, 10 million euros or whatever on a, a project to automate wind, turbine blade manufacturing. So it won’t happen. And it’s just like, well. Okay, but you know, you tried in 2010 and now we’ve got 2020 technology and Sumar 2000, um, 30 technology and like obviously the whole world is not gonna automate except with the exception of wind energy.

So, um, I think that. There are now, I I also, I did talk to several people at Wind Europe, even from [00:17:00] OEMs that are working on automation projects now. And, um, so we are gonna see either incremental improvements where they just, you know, automate certain parts of the manufacturing process or my personal belief is that we will actually see maybe even a revolution in the way that, uh, a lot of wind turbine components are made to be fully automated and a, a totally different manufacturing process than what we’ve seen.

If that happens, then it, you know, like it goes from being a you, you gotta locate the manufacturing where the, um, labor is cheapest. Then other factors will be more important, like what’s close to the site that you’re installing. ’cause you know, shipping is a large cost, especially for large offshore wind components.

And energy will be a larger cost probably for, you know, automated manufacturing. So low energy costs will be an issue. So I, I do think that we’re. Maybe not five years away, but sometime in the next dec decade. I predict a big, big shake up in the way that, um, the [00:18:00] industry works in terms of manufacturing for wind energy and, and we need it as well.

You know, that’s, that’s something that’s, that’s gotta happen to, to get the cost down to the level that we need them to be, to roll out the amount that we need to have.

Joel Saxum: And when you introduce automation into any kind of industrial process, it, it’s not gonna immediately drop the, the, the end price. A lot of times there’s a, there’s a.

Bit of capital, a bit of NRE that happens with that. Um, and you know, like something nobody wants to go in and start losing or like, as a supplier, nobody wants to go in and then take a lower price point right away. So that price point will remain high when automation is first introduced and what the push is gonna be is gonna, it’s gonna control quality.

You talk about this pema me thing and the windar renewables deal, like there it is so hard to weld as someone who can weld to weld thick, heavy steel together. And to have it be. Perfect or right, or you know, like, that’s so difficult. That is an art meat science thing. And when you can do it in an automated fashion, then your quality goes up.

That’s what we want in the industry. And it’s, and it’s [00:19:00] gonna be a, it’ll be a great snowball. ’cause once we get in there, we get the automation going, quality going, and then after this machine is, you know, basically depreciated, then the, it gets cheaper. Cheaper and cheaper. Cheaper and cheaper as we go. So

Phil Totaro: the, this is the exact, uh, direction we need to go in theoretically.

But I’m gonna, I’m gonna take. Maybe the contrarian approach to this and say what, what normally happens is what Joel just described. You’ve got non-recurring engineering costs and upfront capital costs that usually make something or keep something as expensive or make it even more expensive than it otherwise would be.

Over time. As the, as the, the economies of scale are achieved and the depreciation on the equipment occurs, it’s not like we get a reduction in, in the cost. We just get companies that get bigger margin as a result of, of, you know, leveraging that, that automation and technology. The other point I’ll make is to go back to this, this concept that we, the only reason we haven’t seen.

Uh, you know, [00:20:00] automation more widely adopted today because we have a lot of the, the technologies in place, not all of ’em, you know, we can’t, you still can’t automate like everything, you know, and, and just have a, a factory of robots making wind turbines, but. The reason we haven’t adopted it today is because of the cost of production.

Yes, you might get higher quality, but the cost of production actually wouldn’t be lower than using people power. Uh, and and that’s something that, so just like you get economies of scale with. The components you’re producing, the, the automation itself needs to go through a cost revolution to be able to get down to a price point where it can be more widely adopted, and that’s one of the main reasons why it hasn’t been

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Allen Hall: Well, if you haven’t downloaded your latest copy of PES Win, you need to do it now by visiting ps win.com. Or, uh, you can actually ask for a hard copy. Hard copy’s brilliant if you can get one. They’re hard to get your hands on lately because there’s, everybody keeps grabbing them at all the trade shows before I can get to them, but.

Hey, what are you gonna do? And in this quarter’s, PES wins a lot of great articles, and one that I knew was coming for a while is from hard head veterans, Joel down in Sweetwater, Texas, and they’ve been developing a helmet safety helmet for wind technicians. And I saw this probably a year ago when the development started and they were head on this project.

This is cool, [00:22:00] uh, neat technology, and so it’s a kevy safety helmet. And it has better protection from both top and side impacts. And the whole goal of this is to have a better, uh, performing better comfort in, especially in Texas where it’s so dang hot. You, you want a helmet that does cool you and, uh.

Hardhead veterans have done that on in numerous industries, but now they’re into wind. This is pretty cool.

Joel Saxum: I think that something that people don’t realize with, uh, safety gear or PPE in general is being a wind turbine technician is very specialized, right? So just like, look, we’re focused on hard hats here, so you’re, you need to be protected from, uh, anything falling from above.

You need to be protective as a we, we call them bump caps, right? So when you’re inside of a n cell or you’re climbing a ladder, whatever, and you bump into something or on the side of the head or the top of the head, you need all that protected. You also need a chin strap because you’re a, we’re the wind [00:23:00] blows.

That’s where we put wind turbines. So you need all these things, but then they’ve gone a step further. And these are some of my favorite components of hard hats in general, and I’ve always said these things. Connected tools, right? So now they’ve got, you’ve got this thing. You can put air protection on it, you can put sunglasses on it.

You can put a headlamp that’s built into it. And my favorite feature, now, this is my, I’m an old school hard hat guy, and I have been, since my oil field days. I like having the brim on the sides to protect my ears from the sun. I hate getting sun, I hate getting sunburnt. And they’ve done like literally everything I like about a hard hat is.

In this hard hat and they’re making ’em in Sweetwater. Uh, I think, uh, this is a fantastic product and these, these guys are gonna see some, some high demand. Hopefully the, the uptime bump helps for their bump caps and then they start making a lot of sales because they look awesome.

Allen Hall: If you go to the website, which is hardhead veterans.com, you can see all the different colors of the kevy hardhat.

They come in all kinds of great colors and I, and I’m sure, is there a requirement, Joel, to have a specific color on site? I know most of ’em are

Joel Saxum: white, but it depends on the operator right, too. Because some of ’em will be like a short [00:24:00] service. Employees need a certain color. Sometimes it’s a, you know, someone who’s a regular technician on the site.

They have a regular color guests. Yeah. Guests have a different color. Yeah. You’re, you’re correct, Phil. Um, so that’s gonna be company by company. But, um, I know that, um, I’m a fan of the old school white hard hat. Keeps it, keeps it cool in the sunlight too.

Allen Hall: Yeah. When Joel and I show up on wind sites, they give it the helmet much with the flashing red light on top to know that we don’t belong there.

Do not let these guys climb a turbine today kinda hat. Yeah. And rightly so. Yeah. So check out uh, PS wind to ps wind.com and also, uh, visit, uh, hardhead veterans, uh, websites. Really cool stuff there.

Rosemary Barnes: Please send me a hard hat with a pod alert logo on it.

Allen Hall: Rosemary has a very special announcement. Go ahead, Rosemary.

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah, my, my little YouTube channel got, uh, passed a hundred thousand subscribers a month or so ago. So now I’ve got my very own, very own play button on display in my background to go with, uh. [00:25:00] Weather Guard won from Asias ago now, year, two years ago, um, and soon to be soon to be joined by a gold version of the button to celebrate 1 million subscribers on the Uptime Wind Energy channel.

Which is a mind blowing number of people around the world who are interested in all the news in wind energy, and which you can find handily combined in one place.

Allen Hall: It’s with Guard Lightning Tech on the YouTube channel. ’cause we, that’s how we started it way back five years ago, is like a little company channel.

We were hoping to get like a thousand people to subscribe at the time and. Now it’s a thousand times

Joel Saxum: that for this week’s Wind farm of the week we’re heading to New Mexico. The La Joa Wind Farm in New Mexico is, uh, owned by Avan Grid, uh, the completed project, which is two phases. We’ll have 111 turbines in it, and they are built now.

So it has 76 ge, 2.8, one 20 sevens, and [00:26:00] 35 Siemens gaa, 2.61 14 uh, meter. Rotor machines. So the project is located about 10 miles west of the village of Encino. Uh, an interesting thing here, which, uh, if you know, if you’ve worked in wind and you know anything about New Mexico, it’s one of the few places in the US that puts wind farms on state.

Owned and public land. So this wind farm is partially on New Mexico land with, uh, 74 turbines at 207 megawatts of that generation on that state land, which, uh, Avan grid won, um, in 2019 through an open bid process, which is a pretty cool, uh, consideration. Uh, so this project will raise over $41 million for New Mexico public schools, which is fantastic.

And one of the things I wanna highlight here is that this, I was looking Wind Farm of the week and I found an article, and this is from 2020 when this wind farm was first being built and it focused on building it during covid and stuff, and [00:27:00] some really cool things they did there. Um, but back then, the, uh, PNM, uh, which is the, the local grid operator there, generation, the, the vice president Tom Ren, said.

When integrated with our wind, solar, and battery storage, p and m is well underway to not only meet state submissions, free mandate, but well positions us on the hundred, the path to a hundred percent carbon free by 2040. So I know that battery storage has been battery storage, battery storage, battery storage last year or so.

But back in 2020, this wind farm and, and when they kicked this thing off, they were talking about it already. So New Mexico, a little bit ahead of the curve there. So, um, the, the Joy of Wind Farm in New Mexico

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Blade Breaks at He Dreiht, Suzlon Posts Record Quarter

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August 4, 2026

Alice Rush

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Blade Breaks at He Dreiht, Suzlon Posts Record Quarter

A V236 blade fails during construction at He Dreiht. Plus a 53 GW US wind forecast, Suzlon’s record quarter, and what turbine noise really measures.

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Allen Hall: Welcome to the “Uptime Wind Energy” podcast. I’m your host, Allen Hall, and I’m here with Matthew Stead, Yolanda Padron, and Rosemary Barnes. And to lead off this week, s- there’s been some trouble in the North Sea. On July 22nd, a blade failed on one of the turbines at EnBW’s 960-megawatt He Dreiht offshore wind farm.

Uh, EnBW spokesperson said there were no injuries, thank goodness, and that the authorities were notified immediately, which is generally the case in Europe. They’re very safety conscious, of course. But the machine was a Vestas V236, which is a– that 15-megawatt offshore turbine that Vestas is offering. And He Dreiht is where the platform [00:01:00] has made its debut.

So Vestas and EnBW are working together on an investigation, an RCA, a- along, uh, looking at the environmental impact because parts of the blade landed in the water. And the, the images I saw online were like a sheer web that was being pulled in onto a ship, so big pieces of blade. Uh, there’s gonna be 64 of these turbines going into that wind farm, but this is probably a little bit of a weird thing because it does seem like that the wind farm is under construction when the blade broke, which is not the first time this has happened, right?

That we’ve seen blade breaks at, uh, Vineyard Wind and at Dogger Bank on the GE side. Is this just a construction issue, Yolanda, you think? Or is it some sort of, uh, vibration that’s happening during construction that’s putting extra stress on the blades?

Yolanda Padron: We were talking about it a little bit offline and how it might be a loading [00:02:00] issue because it’s not, uh, it’s not in the optimal operating, uh, conditions, right?

Uh, but this is– It’s– I don’t like that it’s becoming a trend more than an anomaly from what we’ve seen on this podcast. Uh, Matt, I know you work a lot in solutions, right? What, what would you recommend people start doing?

Matthew Stead: Yeah. I think, um, more and more there’s ways of just checking out, you know, pre-construction, um, you know, some of the vibration modes, some of the unusual, um, wind loading when it’s in standstill, you know, different yaw angles and so forth.

So there, there’s more and more ways of, um, checking out what the blade is doing when it’s in those unusual, um, sort of pre-con, pre-operation phases. So, um, you know, for instance, um, we do know that there is some sort of sometimes edgewise or flatwise vibration, which, um, you know, maybe is not normal, um, and maybe could be, be [00:03:00] thought about in a bit more detail.

Um, certainly I know there are some research organizations which are looking into this and also, you know, things like blade twists. Um, so what is actually happening in terms of the, um, the twisting of the blade along, along its axis.

Allen Hall: I think the last time this happened, I remember going back and looking at patents about how to protect the blades during this construction phase.

So you wanna prevent the blade from generating lift from sideways winds pretty much. So the designs that I saw were like putting like a, a netting across the blade to disrupt the airflow so that it wouldn’t generate lift. But I haven’t really seen that implemented. Maybe it is being implemented, but these loads are a little odd, right?

I, I, I’m wondering if there’s any IEC certification test that looks into them, uh, just because it’s, it’s happened a couple of times now, more than a handful.

Matthew Stead: We, we saw, um, we saw that picture of some blades on the ground. [00:04:00] You remember they were in storage. Um, there was a, a strong wind that came across them when they were in storage, and there was some, some flutter and, you know, some, some damage it caused, uh, even when they were on the ground.

Um, yeah, I think just thinking out loud, you know how on some, you know, wind stacks and, or, you know, turbine stacks and, um, you know, poles, you know, exhaust stacks. Sorry, that’s the word I’m looking for. Exhaust stacks. They have the, the spiral around it. You know, it’s for around vortex shedding. So maybe it’s an opportunity for, for Rosie to jump in here and, uh, and comment.

But, um, maybe we can put like vortex, uh, spiral vortex, um, you know, dissipators on the, on the blades before they’re fully commissioned.

Rosemary Barnes: So it’s cer- certainly not a, a matter of the design just being a little bit wrong, right? That would mean that it would last for a, for a while and then And then break. But it, it also, it could be several things.

It could [00:05:00] have been a manufacturing defect, a bad one. It could have been transport damage. Tho- those are two other things. It could have been, yeah, you know, like a, a new design feature or material that performed massively differently under real loads than what it did, um, you know, in their computer models and in their coupon tests and in their, um, static tests, fatigue tests that they did.

It could be any of those things. Sometimes you do see problems where technically you’re not supposed to leave the rotor locked out for any period of time because it is not designed for the off, off-axis weird loads that you can get when the blade is oriented in a suboptimal way compared to the wind.

And there have been instances where it’s like technically, you know, that was in the instruction manual, however, nobody ever followed it, and it’s only under extreme circumstances where that actually is severe enough to break it. There, there can be instances like that [00:06:00] where I would say that it- it’s pretty difficult/impossible to actually design s- for safety during any conceivable series of events during installation.

The way that you would do it would be to make sure that the blade can handle any wind load and, you know, up to the maximum gust at any, at any time in any position. But having, you know, done a little bit of work, um, on blade design in my past, it is massive. That is just a massive, massive load that is y- it will never see in its lifetime.

You would have such heavy, expensive blades if you actually designed it like that. Um, and so yeah, the That, that would be probably the most charitable reason for a failure where nobody really did their job wrong. It’s just kind of like some bad luck that happens every now and then.

Allen Hall: Well, it does seem like there’s a trend there between Dogger Bank, Vineyard Wind, [00:07:00] some of the things we’ve seen in China.

During the construction phase, those turbines are very vulnerable and the, the blades can break. Aren’t there extra precautions that could be put in place? Like, you, you could obviously do weather forecasting, and I know that that’s done, but it does seem like it’s, uh, such a consequential problem to have a blade break on a turbine in the North Sea, near Germany.

Like, that, that’s just bad PR. Even if you have all the engineering precautions in the world there, you would still maybe play it a little bit safer so this wouldn’t happen?

Rosemary Barnes: It’s really hard. Like I said, if you want to design it so that a blade won’t break under these, like, really unusual set of operating conditions that happen during construction, not during– Like, during operation it has to be able to handle whatever is thrown at it, like, no doubt.

Um, everybody agrees on that, including, you know, certification bodies. But during installation, yeah, if you want your blade to be able to handle anything that [00:08:00] that area can throw at it, even, you know, one in 50, one in 100 year storm that comes up unexpectedly, I personally think I haven’t done the optimization.

I wouldn’t be surprised if people had. In fact, I would be surprised if they hadn’t. But I bet that it will cost more to design every blade to withstand that than it would to lose the occasional one, you know, one out of What is it? Like one out of 500 blades or something this happens to, one out of 1,000?

I, I, I don’t know, maybe even less, less than that. Um, you know, so it’s, I don’t know how much these blades cost new, but, you know, say a few hundred thousand. Uh, it’s just, it’s gonna be it, it’ll be more cost-effective to lose the odd one every now and then. And like you say, it’s bad PR, but, um, I don’t know.

Is it that, like- It- … things, things happen, things break sometimes. Um, yeah, I don’t know. Is the PR that bad? I’m not sure.

Matthew Stead: So [00:09:00] I, I’ve got a question and, um, you know, on LinkedIn, you know, you see whenever there’s a, um, whenever there’s a failure on L- um, e- everyone posts about it.

Rosemary Barnes: Condition monitoring would’ve stopped this.

If there had only been condition monitoring that, that turbine, then they wouldn’t have had a blade break during construction. That’s why I’m so hesitant to, to, you know, make any calls now ’cause I don’t wanna sound like one of those

Allen Hall: LinkedIn losers. LinkedIn loser.

Rosemary Barnes: I learned that the last, um, root cause analysis, like, you know, catastrophic blade failure, um, the last one that I, uh, yeah, got approached to work on, I was told y- you know, like half a dozen different companies have approached us after they saw this in the news.

So people are ambulance chasing. I’m like, “Oh my goodness, should I, should I be ambulance chasing? Is this a new, a new thing that I should be doing?”

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Visit peswind.com today. Well, here’s a number that runs against the mood of the industry. Wood Mackenzie now expects the United States wind industry to add more than 53 gigawatts of capacity by 2030. That is a 5% increase over the previous quarter’s five-year forecast, and the reason is really straightforward.

Shovels are in the ground. Developers pushed to start construction ahead of the July safe harbor deadline, and firm turbine orders reached 1.1 gigawatts, five times the level of a year earlier. So demand is holding up too, [00:11:00] led by a 1.9 gigawatt deal between Google and Xcel Energy. So the One Big Beautiful Bill, or OB3 as I’ve heard it called more recently, is driving wind energy installations up for the time being.

This is somewhat of a positive measure. Does it demonstrate in, in sort of uncertain terms that wind is still a choice for a lot of energy developers?

Yolanda Padron: I mean, we’ve still seen a lot of wind developers continue on, right? And just maybe put something further back down the timeline than they initially would for, for a new project.

Uh, but I, I don’t know. I kind of equate this to, like, you know when there’s, like, a massive sale or something on a, at a store where it’s like, “Everything must go”? And I feel like everybody was just kind of leaning towards that in the short term, and then there’s probably gonna be a lull, [00:12:00] and then just go back to, things will probably just go back to normal, I think.

Matthew Stead: My, my take is that if I had a spare few billion dollars, um, and I was in the energy market I would be building wind solar and battery. And so I would see it continuing

Allen Hall: The existing Department of War review, this is that are not being completed, so it’s holding up a number of projects. That’s gonna eventually hit the courts.

I know it’s in the courts right now. I’m– At least that seems to be some of the news about it, and my guess is based on previous history in the courts is that they’re gonna force the Department of War to either finish the analyses and make some sort of proclamation or to allow them all to pass through.

Uh, just put a stay on the, in the Department of War. I’m not sure how that works because I’ve never heard of that happening in the past, but w- you know, we’re in new times [00:13:00] obviously. But if they, if the courts were able to tell the Department of War to stand down and let the developers go, that would be very interesting.

I think you may see some more activity in wind and that was, you know, off the table just a couple of weeks ago. Is, is that the feeling? I, I know that there’s also some larger discussions. I was listening to this discussion from an MIT analysis about how wind is gonna suffer because solar is so cool and battery is the hot thing.

But in reality, good luck, right? I think you have to have all of the above scenario to get your projects done. If you can’t rely on gas turbines, you better be looking for every possible electricity-generating piece of equipment you can get your hands on right now.

Yolanda Padron: Do you guys think it’s gonna be one of those things where the US kind of turns away from its traditional cowboy-like way of approaching wind [00:14:00] turbines?

Or at least like blades, you know? Because there’s gonna– there seems to be a lot more I, I don’t know if a lot more restrictions, but a lot more implementation of those restrictions on the operation of wind turbines, um, just like from bird monitoring and just a lot of issues that you might see on a wind site that maybe people didn’t care too much to look at before.

Allen Hall: Well, the argument that MIT was making was operating wind turbines is harder than running a solar farm, which generically is true early on. I think that’s probably true. But from what I see from solar farms and hear from operators, solar farms are not easy either. They have their own problems like fire, hail, uh, yeah, bad inverters, electrical problems, animals eating the wires.

Like, everything comes with this set of issues that it has to work through. But wind’s been going a little bit longer. I feel [00:15:00] like there’s an infrastructure there that solar is just now developing, and the history from large solar developments like in, in Spain has not been great over time. And Australia’s sort of a little bit of a different case, Rosemary, where most of the solar in Australia is put on top of people’s roofs.

But is there a real advantage to solar and battery over wind?

Rosemary Barnes: I think yes. I think it’s, it, like, it’s not The scale is, yeah, there, it, there is maintenance and management to be done on a solar farm, but it’s not like on a wind farm, uh, in my opinion.

Allen Hall: Why? Why do you say that?

Rosemary Barnes: So when I talk with asset managers for solar farms, their number one challenge, at least in Australia, is, is grass, managing the grass.

And in fact, there were some solar farms in Victoria that got shut down briefly by the safety regulator because the grass levels were not s- not safe in terms of, you know, being a fire hazard. You know, like basically it’s mowing the grass, and it’s once a year driving some drones around that are doing [00:16:00]thermal imaging and seeing if there’s any faults there, and then replacing them.

So there’s stuff to do, but it’s not like as much stuff as there is in a wind farm. I’ve always thought that it’s wrong to have wind and solar competing against each other, and it’ll be, you know, like one renewable generation to rule them all. I think it’s definitely true that solar is cheaper and simpler than wind energy.

It had a big disadvantage up until recently because it turns out that the sun sets every single night. I’m not sure if you guys were all aware of that, but, um, yeah, people, people have gotten in touch with me on LinkedIn comments to let me know that that’s true, that the sun sets every night, and sometimes it’s not windy.

Are these two… You know, mind absolutely blown from the, um, YouTube commenters.

Matthew Stead: LinkedIn losers. Yeah.

Rosemary Barnes: Not so much LinkedIn losers, like YouTube, YouTube, um, I don’t know, Y- YouTube enthusiasts. But then batteries came along and started getting cheap enough that you can quite easily cover, you know, at least the evening peak with, um, by adding [00:17:00] batteries to a solar farm.

So I think that that together has reduced how much wind energy we need by a bit. But what it hasn’t touched is, um, the times when there isn’t solar available. So wind can step in for that, wind can step in for cloudy weeks and, you know, that’s somewhere like Australia, which is, you know, the most favorable place for solar plus batteries.

But then when you head to somewhere more northern, somewhere with a more severe winter, less sun, uh, and more, you know, demand for heating, et cetera, then y- you know, you just can’t do without wind. It’s, it’s, it’s doing a different thing than what solar is. So I do think that it’s wrong to think solar or wind.

We have to be better than solar. Um, we need to be better for sure. We being wind energy. Wind energy does need to be better, but not because it’s in a competition with solar, but because it’s in a competition with, you know, fossil fuels and y- just being able to [00:18:00] do the transition, energy transition at all.

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Well, not [00:19:00] every wind turbine maker is having a hard year. Suzlon Energy has posted its highest ever first quarter deliveries, 506 megawatts of wind turbine generators. Revenue for the first quarter of the fiscal year came in at 3– 38.19 billion rupees, or roughly $398 million. That is up 22 and a half percent from a year ago.

506 megawatts delivered in a single first quarter says the machines are not just being ordered, they are going up. So there’s a, a big demand in India. India is trying to get into a lot of solar and wind and some battery storage to improve the electricity grid there. S-Suzlon is gonna be a, a winner in that race.

At least there’s just a handful of companies that can really participate because of the way that India has structured the market there. But the Suzlon stock dropped, uh, a couple of percentage points on this news as the net profit was a little tighter than analysts would have [00:20:00] preferred, so there was a lot of profit-taking earlier in the day.

But the long-term forecasts have to be very positive for Suzlon, right? It, it’s just been a long-term player in India and elsewhere even, United States being one of those places, um, Australia being another Is it a positive sign that they’re just seeing more orders, more deliveries, that eventually the profit margin will jump up and that Suzlon will be extremely profitable, kinda like Vestas is now?

Matthew Stead: Yeah, I mean, they’re a, you know, great, great company. They’ve got great product. Um, they’ve got a great market in India. You know, India is growing. Um, I think they’ll continue to improve. I, I would’ve thought it’d be a great stock.

Allen Hall: It’s, it does seem to be a little bit of a rough ride just because there’s now a lot of competitors within India, Adani being one of them.

There’s o- other wind turbine manufacturers in India. Uh, not a lot of European participation. And was it GE Vernova is essentially out. [00:21:00] Is that right, Rosemary? GE Vernova is out of India altogether at the moment.

Matthew Stead: And Siemens Gamesa as well?

Allen Hall: Oh, that would be Omtera. I’m not sure if Omtera is in India at the minute.

Yeah.

Matthew Stead: Thanks for the reminder.

Allen Hall: Do you think it’s gonna be a little bit of a rough ride? I think that’s my take on it. And even though the demand will be there and the, the government is making a huge push for it, it, it… Nothing is easy in wind is when you’re trying to scale up because it’s such a huge industry.

Everything’s big. Everything’s expensive. You’re trying to expand your capacity. It doesn’t go smooth, and you’re gonna spend more than you would’ve spent because you gotta get new people in, and you need more equipment, you need more tooling. Everything gets more expensive as you’re doing it. I would expect the profits to drop down a little bit as you’re growing.

That’s normal.

Matthew Stead: I disagree. I, I think, you know, that they know what they’re doing. They’ve been doing it for a long time. You know, the market is growing, uh, but, you know, they’ve done it before. So I, you know, apart from their little wobble a while ago, um, I, I think it’s, it’s optimistic for [00:22:00] Suzlon.

Allen Hall: The growth of Suzlon and all the Indian wind turbine manufacturers internally allow them to, uh, do much more work outside of India.

Do you think that will help their order book, just because they’re successful in India and have that baseline of a marketplace that they can reach out to other parts of the world?

Matthew Stead: Yeah, I think that one’s– That’s gonna be harder , ’cause there’s a whole lot more competition.

Allen Hall: Right. That’s the real question.

How are they gonna compete against the Chinese in, in places where they don’t have a foothold yet?

Matthew Stead: Yeah, I mean, that one’s tricky. And, you know, I think, you know, while Suzlon has done well in Australia, they haven’t necessarily maintained their, their lead in Australia. So yeah, outside of India, it’s probably a different story.

Allen Hall: Isn’t Europe the next marketplace just because it won’t be banned like China has essentially been with- within Europe, the greater Europe? That Suzlon would be that one place, that one company that would be allowed in to, to make some onshore turbines?

Matthew Stead: I think we spoke about that probably about two months ago, and that was definitely in the news that, you know, Suzlon were looking at expanding into, into [00:23:00] Europe and, uh, exactly making the most of that.

Um, yeah. So that, maybe that’s their, their golden, um, export market.

Allen Hall: Well, a project in Queensland just got cut in half, and for two reasons at once. Alinta Energy has dropped the southern portion of its Mount Challenger wind farm in the Whitsunday Hinterlands. Six months of LiDAR monitoring showed that the wind resource at Kelsey Creek was not as strong enough to really to support the turbines, and the company also heard from residents opposed to turbines in that area, and a local action group gathered more than 6,000 signatures.

And for developers, it’s, it’s really a case study in wind data and the community arriving at the same result. But we’ve seen a lot of action up in Queensland more recently. Uh, I’m not sure what’s driving all the opposition to wind turbines, but I’ve seen news stories about it in the United States. [00:24:00] It’s great to have Matthew here because he’s an acoustician.

Uh, some of the discussion in the community, uh, event that I saw was just discussing 40 decibels of wind turbine noise, and which didn’t sound like a lot. And when I looked it up online, 40 decibels was like a library, which I think is being fairly quiet.

Rosemary Barnes: Yeah. Imagine if something got built near your property that was so noisy it was as bad as being inside a library or having a refrigerator in your home.

Easy to see how your life could be ruined.

Allen Hall: Matthew, what’s the, what’s the amount of noise from a, a road going by? Like a truck going by on a road, what is, roughly what is that?

Matthew Stead: I mean, that can quite easily get well above 60, 70, um, sometimes 80. I mean, the analogy, um, that I like to use is that each turbine has the sound emission which is similar to a truck.

[00:25:00] You know, a reasonable sized truck. Okay? So each– imagine each turbine is a truck. Um, but those trucks are a kilometer away. So, you know, the noise level decays in a logarithmic way. Um, and so by the time you’re a kilometer away, the noise from that truck is quite low. An individual turbine is gonna be way, way, way, way, way less than 40 But, you know, there’s more than one turbine, so you need to add them up and it’s n- it’s not a, it’s not a, you know, 20 plus 20 equals 40.

It’s a logarithmic addition. There are many, many, many people that live on busy roads with not 100 trucks, but thousands of trucks. So, you know, the noise exposure from a road can be way, way, way more than from a, you know, a wind farm.

Rosemary Barnes: That’s one of the things that strikes me when I have a, a look at, um, yeah, like Twitter comments for this particular post and everyone’s like, “Oh my God, that’s so terrible, 40 decibels.”

Like, yeah, I can see [00:26:00] why you’re ruining– that’s ruining your life. And yeah, I, um, I, you know, said that sarcastically at the start, but there’s, there’s plenty of, you know, hundreds of people that are, um, you know, thinking along the same lines, but the majority of them are like, “It should be legislated. You know, there should be rules around this.

They can just do whatever they want.” But, uh, the, it is legislated, right? Like, we all accept that wind turbines make noise. It is legislated. You can measure it, right? And so if you h- uh, have a property and you think it’s too noisy for the wind turbines two or three kilometers away, there’s something you can do, right, Matt?

Can you maybe tell us what is the process that, that happens when somebody thinks that a wind farm is too noisy?

Matthew Stead: So a few things. So, um, normally at a house, um, where you’re, say you’re a kilometer away, normally the ambient environment can be louder than the wind farm. The first challenge is to actually measure the noise from the wind farm and not from the ambient environment.

So what that means is that normally, um, measurements are taken around a wind [00:27:00] farm before the wind farm’s even built, and so that way we actually know, well, how much is the ambient noise. Um, and you know, the ambient noise is probably above 40 for a good proportion of the time. So th- that’s the first thing.

You need to understand what the noise environment is like before the wind farm. And then, um, using highly sensitive, highly calibrated, um, sound level meters, which can be, you know, 0.1 decibel accuracy, um, you can then monitor the sound before and after And then compare the two. But what happens is, um, as I said, it’s normally very difficult to separate out the sound from the wind turbine from the general environment.

So then what, um, there are different methods then to, um, either measure in like, um, halfway. So if you measure halfway between the wind turbine and the house, then you can start to separate out the wind turbine noise from the general environment and then do a, you know, propagation or a [00:28:00] prediction or extrapolation of what it’d be at the house.

Um, the other way of doing it is actually measuring at the turbines. So you can measure the individual turbine sound and compare that to what was expected, um, and then sort of validate, um, the initial, you know, source levels. You know, is it really a truck or is it, um, quieter or, or louder than a truck?

Rosemary Barnes: And if they do, it, it– I mean, I’m sure on occasion that people do get it wrong in terms of the noise.

They are able to do stuff about that. That’s partly what the, um, serrations on a blade are, are there to make a, um, a blade quieter. And you can also just do something as simple as turning down the turbine when, um, wind conditions are such that you know that it’s gonna be particularly noisy. No one wants to do that because you get less power output, but certainly you can do something about it if it turns out to violate the conditions of the, um, y- you know, the noise that they promised it when the turbine was, when the wind farm was developed.

Matthew Stead: Yeah. And, um, you know, in the past, it’s [00:29:00]improved a lot, but in the past there were some unusual sounds that came from some turbines, which came from like the gearboxes and, you know, you know, the drivetrain and so forth. Um, but, you know, those things are– they’re, they’re mechanical machines as we spoke about, you know, and they can be addressed, and they can be dealt with through, through design and good engineering, and also, also fixed, you know, retrospectively as well.

And like you say, Rosie, um, if there’s too– if there’s more aerodynamic noise than expected, um, there are serrations and, and lower noise add-ons that can be added. Um, but also many of the turbines also have noise modes, uh, so it can be slightly derated y- with, with certain sectors of wind, um, wind direction and wind speeds to, you know, reduce the noise further.

It is an absolute science. It’s really well understood. It’s, it’s measurable. I mean, there is some uncertainty in the measurements, but it’s, it’s, yeah, there is a lot of knowledge about this topic.

Allen Hall: Well, I just had a math question. If they want to reduce the decibels by like three [00:30:00] dB, what kind of power reduction are we talking about?

Is it like a 5% decrease or 50% decrease in power output to achieve that three dB reduction in noise

Matthew Stead: Yeah. Uh, I don’t have the maths in front of me, but it would depend on the power curve and the actual make model, but I, I… It’s not, it’s not half the power. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, um, less tweaks to the power output than, than that much.

Allen Hall: So i- it’s not a massive number. It’s, it’s a reduction of course, but it’s not, you’re not losing a, a ton of revenue.

Matthew Stead: No, no. I mean, obviously it depends, but yeah, it’s not necessarily a ton of revenue loss.

Rosemary Barnes: But I think it’s a real shame, ’cause like when I look at, you know, social media posts where, um, people are up- upset about noise, like they are clearly not aware that there is a very mundane process to go through.

Like, you know, it is not… You don’t, you don’t have to get so worked up. If you’ve got noise at your house and, um, you know, it’s upsetting you, [00:31:00]there is a very established process that you can go through and it can be, it can be fixed. And I know from, you know, the asset managers that I, I work with, um, that are some of my friends, like I, I know that they want to help you.

They do not want people living around the wind farm to hate the wind farm. So y- you need to get in touch and let them know, and, and I… They’re gonna be able to fix your problem. If it’s, if it’s detectable y- you know, with the methods that Matt said, then they are gonna be able to, um, fix it. I know that sometimes people say that they can hear noise, and you just cannot find any evidence of it, and therefore you cannot, there is nothing you can do to that wind farm operation to be able to solve that problem.

So I’m not saying in every case if you think you’ve got a problem they’re gonna be able to solve it, but if they can pick it up with a, what is it called? A noise meter? A decibel meter? Yeah, whatever that doodad’s called. If they can pick it up on that, then they can, they can fix the problem for you. And yeah, it’s just, uh, it, it upsets me that, you know, people are really, are really getting worked up [00:32:00] about this issue, but there’s a, a process to go through.

Matt’s holding it now for everyone just listening in. It’s like the size of, I don’t know, a liter of milk. It’s just not it’s not, not a complicated thing.

Matthew Stead: I think one of the big challenges that we’ve had is that there’s been a lot of negativity around noise, and then people get sensitized. And so, um, the, you know, what I’ve, um, what I, what I’ve heard many times is, um, the sensitivity to noise can be communicated Um, so, you know, like Rosie, if I tell you you’re gonna be really annoyed by this thing, this thing is coming, you’re not gonna like it, you’re gonna hate it, and then you’re sensitized to it, and then you’ll tend to have more of a, you know, a, a response

Rosemary Barnes: If we’d gone on a nationwide campaign to, you know, visit every house that’s within 600 meters of a y- you know, of a road and, um, you know, given impassioned speeches to them about [00:33:00] how it would ruin their life, then yeah, it is easy to see how we would be so fixated on it that our lives would really be ruined.

Allen Hall: Meanwhile, the Australian band AC/DC came to Charlotte the other day to a sold-out concert at the huge football stadium, and I guarantee you that concert was way above the noise level of a wind farm.

Rosemary Barnes: I hope so. Imagine if imagine if a, a bunch of whingers in the audience are like, “Excuse me, I’ve got my little noise measuring doodad and it’s over 40 decibels.”

Allen Hall: Well, that wraps up another episode of the Uptime Wind Energy podcast, and thank God for that. If today’s discussion sparked any questions or ideas, we’d love to hear from you. Reach out to us on LinkedIn, and if you found some value in today’s conversation, please leave us a review. It really helps other wind energy professionals discover the show.

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